Vaccine

In Israel, vaccinated individuals had 27 times higher risk of symptomatic COVID infection compared to those with natural immunity from prior COVID disease [95%CI:13-57, adjusted for time of vaccine/disease]. No COVID deaths in either group.

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

Martin Kulldorff
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Professor Harvard Medical School. Disease surveillance methods. Infectious disease outbreaks. Vaccine safety. Free SaTScan, TreeScan and RSequential software.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Do you have a link for the rising child death numbers given we are now 20 months in to this scamdemic.
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The data is on the CDC website. The Johns Hopkins website also tracks data, though the specific numbers I cited were from the CDC data on demographics of covid deaths in the US. A number of states have changed the frequency of their reporting, so just keep on eye on that as you look at/ analyze the data.
 
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Roadrunner said:
The data is on the CDC website. The Johns Hopkins website also tracks data, though the specific numbers I cited were from the CDC data on demographics of covid deaths in the US. A number of states have changed the frequency of their reporting, so just keep on eye on that as you look at/ analyze the data.
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Okay. I've seen that data. Sounds like we should have employed the current masking policies for children at least 30 years ago. Influenza has killed many more children than the Corona virus.
 
Supreme Court Finally Curbs CDC’s Total Power

By a 6-3 vote, then, we finally have a ray of hope that the Supreme Court of the US will not be wholly silent as American liberties and limits on government slip away entirely under the cover of public health. Finally the CDC has encountered some pushback after a year and a half of exercising powers over the American population never before experienced, and few would have imagined possible only two years ago.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Gotta love EUA's. You wouldn't have to wait for "the long covid data" if your weren't grossly ignoring the past MERS and SARS-1 data while comparing this SARS event to itself.
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Which data from MERS or SARS-CoV1 am I ignoring? And why is whatever data you are referencing relevant? SARS-coV2
EvilGoalie 21 said:
MERS bound a different cell entry receptor. Had ~30% fatality rate. More likely to go systemic as I recall but been awhile.
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The MERS genome is about 50% similar to SARS-CoV2, whatever that's worth here too. I'm not sure exactly what data bruddah thinks is missing, or being ignored, or relevant. There are also coronaviruses that cause just cold symptoms.

There was an attempt at a SARS 1 vaccine, but by the time the group had it ready, the SARS 1 outbreak was a look already tailing off so they couldn't do clinical trials.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Sounds like we could have benefited from mandates with the Corona caused MERS back then too.
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It was largely confined to countries in the middle east, and, as evident from the case numbers, this virus thankfully did not cause a pandemic. I do know someone personally who was lucky to survive MERS. It is not a virus you'd wish to experience.
 
Roadrunner said:
It was largely confined to countries in the middle east, and, as evident from the case numbers, this virus thankfully did not cause a pandemic. I do know someone personally who was lucky to survive MERS. It is not a virus you'd wish to experience.
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Actually, I know somebody as well. It was touch and go. I believe there were mandates/quarantine procedures put in place for American service personel in the middle east. maybe more general travel restrictions as well.
 
Roadrunner said:
Which data from MERS or SARS-CoV1 am I ignoring? And why is whatever data you are referencing relevant? SARS-coV2
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The below is relevant data

EvilGoalie 21 said:
SARS: 8098 confirmed cases worldwide, 774 deaths, 8 laboratory confirmed US cases
MERS: 2547 confirmed cases worldwide, 886 deaths, 2 laboratory confirmed US cases
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It is relevant because both were caused by the Corona Virus.

Roadrunner said:
The MERS genome is about 50% similar to SARS-CoV2, whatever that's worth here too. I'm not sure exactly what data bruddah thinks is missing, or being ignored, or relevant. There are also coronaviruses that cause just cold symptoms.

There was an attempt at a SARS 1 vaccine, but by the time the group had it ready, the SARS 1 outbreak was a look already tailing off so they couldn't do clinical trials.
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The data was never missing. It was simply ignored and thus the masses were easily manipulated to believe we were dealing with something completely new and, Lockdowns were the only way to go.
 
Roadrunner said:
It was largely confined to countries in the middle east, and, as evident from the case numbers, this virus thankfully did not cause a pandemic. I do know someone personally who was lucky to survive MERS. It is not a virus you'd wish to experience.
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Which one is? And if we weren't hyper-PCR testing back then how would we have known if thousands of service members who served in the Middle East didn't bring MERS back to the states that presented as the common cold or flu? Probably just burned itself out like other Corona virus induced diseases that our immune systems bagged and tagged.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
The below is relevant data



It is relevant because both were caused by the Corona Virus.

The data was never missing. It was simply ignored and thus the masses were easily manipulated to believe we were dealing with something completely new and, Lockdowns were the only way to go.
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SARS-cov1, SARS-cov2, and MERS are three different viruses. There are a lot of viruses out there, including a lot that are in the coronavirus family. These viruses do share some similarities, but are definitely different. Check out their sequences and encoded proteins, mechanism of entry, etc yourself if you are not convinced. The data is published and much is accessible to the general public. Not all retroviruses are HIV1, not all rhabdoviridae are rabies viruses, and not all picornavirus are the poliovirus.

But yes, it does seem that people can be easily manipulated.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Which one is? And if we weren't hyper-PCR testing back then how would we have known if thousands of service members who served in the Middle East didn't bring MERS back to the states that presented as the common cold or flu? Probably just burned itself out like other Corona virus induced diseases that our immune systems bagged and tagged.
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halftime at el traffico. the difference between several hundred with an IFR 0.3 and 4.5 million or whatever it is now with an IFR .02 is probably not attributable to sample error.
 
It is indisputable at this point that vaccinated individuals are must less likely to be hospitalized have complications compared to unvaccinated individual.

As a healthcare worker I have seen plenty of patients get sicks then call me saying they should have been vaccinated. I have seen strokes, lung transplants, kidney failures, chronic fatigue. People that simoly dont function normally any more.

Everyone thinks their natural immune system is just fine until they get sick have a stroke, have kidney failure, or need a lung transplant.

All healthy people under the age of 60.

I am a lot more direct now. Stop being a stupid take the vaccine so you wont call me when its too late.

Sure you might survive but you might also have a stroke and have your kids changing your diapers for the rest of your life. Thats a faith worst than death.
 
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