Damn right Kicker. That Dad of 4 is getting on my nerves today. "Rules for thee but not for me" is a trigger tagline for me. I knew a minister way back who was not what he said he was. He tried to take me to Blacks Beach when I was young in the faith, I kid you not. I surfed it one time back when i was 13 when I was serious about being a pro surfer with Parsons, Curren and Booth. What I didnt know was it was where some of the fellas would go to get naked and sun bath. Minister asked me if I wanted to meet down at Blacks for a Quiet Time and I said sure. Shall we bring our boards and he said no, just a beautiful place to pray. Anyway, I get down there and all the guys are naked but me. I was so pissed off and even told on the minister. He said he didnt know either ((ya right, dude grew up down there)). It was a hot mess. His girlfriend dumped him. It later came out that indeed he was gay but didnt want to be or something like that. He got really honest with me and I forgave him and told him to be just yourself. I dont know where he is today ((it was 33 years ago to the day I believe)) but wish him nothing but the best.
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This is an example of you being lost so thick in the weeds that you can’t realize that what you said makes no sense. If a reduction in transmissibility doesn’t lead to a reduction in cases what’s the point????? I know that’s not what you meant: the problem we are talking about is what is the hypothetical prevention of cases that otherwise would have occurred, for which you have absolutely no data (due to the lack of crt) and so are basically guessing based upon a bunch of other assumptions. It is very clear, though, that the masks dont have a substantial impact or you’d see a substantial change in the directions of the curves when mandates are implemented but when you compare neighboring counties or countries side by side you don’t see this real world impact (which you’ve tried to explain away that it’s because people cross the borders routinely)
you and I agreed that indoor masking helped reduce transmissibility of the prime. We disagreed on magnitude.My number was in the range of a 5-15% reduction in probability of a transmission on a micro basis. You felt it was in the neighborhood of 40% But didn’t articulate the 40% of what (we all assumedit was macro which just belies the real world numbers). Where I agree with Oster and you seem to be anti science is the notion that against the delta cloth masks are useless.
what’s more funny is that you fall back on the same line just subject to criticism: trust the experts
Roadrunner
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I don't think doctors or nurses having actual demonstrated success with how to best try to treat or help people with covid were ignored. The best practices have changed over the pandemic. There were some ideas suggested for possible treatments that didn't pan out.
Universities are not controlled environments any more than large businesses or other institutions. There are productivity expectations, labor issues, budget problems, people problems, just like anywhere. And they are not the ones setting government policies nor school policies. Not being able to control all variables is very different from identifying the involved variables, thinking about how they influence outcomes, and trying to find approaches for both analysis and possible solutions to problems.
I was on a jury where the other juro
How do you pick and choose which "expert" you trust? Do you ask your mechanic for advice on cancer treatment? Look for advice on investments from your wedding planner? Btw, it's news to me that experts in any field are part of a closed society, and everyone who is an expert in their field is similar. Some gross generalization and assumptions here.
Yes. A reduction in R can co-exist with an increase on cases. And an increase to R can co-exist with a drop in cases. Differential equations are like that. I’d explain it, but it requires about two years of graduate level math which you never took.
Either take the classes, or listen to the people who took the classes. Until then, you’re an unqualified person who insists on bad mouthing the people who are qualified.
Back in the fall I had a secondary bacterial infection that nearly killed me which they think resulted from a weakened immune system from covid. I knew the antibiotic wasn’t working but my gp and specialist insisted that I play out the entire course, even one night when I was on the floor in agony screaming in front of my kids. I insisted on being switched instead of going off and taking another culture. Doctors argued but gave in. It saves my life the doctors conceded.
same Story on covid…day 10 couldn’t breath…it was at the beginning and they didn’t know what to do…I told my doc put me in a steroid. Doc said it kept me out of the hospital saved my life maybe.
2008 my financial advisor told me to hold certain assets. I told her the bottom was about to drop out. She called me crazy. I was spared the worst (my younger sibling did not listen and bought at the top of a bubble)
no you don’t listen to you mechanic for cancer. You do assume the experts are idiots and rather than defer you question the hell out of them. The internet is also the great info leveler which is why the experts have been routinely been beaten by knowledgeable outsiders. The entire idea of the enlightenment was not to follow blindly but to think critically. That’s why the recent tech tendency to censor info is so dangerous.
Seems like I got under someone’s skin. And you didn’t even understand the point I corrected you on (which is a very basic basic point) and just doubled down on the mistake. This is why you don’t defer to experts
Ask questions to Doctors and not auto mechanics Roadrunner. Ask Docs you know and trust too. Watch their body language and listen to what comes out of their mouth. Are they defensive? Are they mocking you for daring to ask a Q? Are they just following the boss's orders? If so, go up the chain of command. Get to the truth damn it. Do you have any contacts in the Marines Rr? Ask them what they think. Question everything and everyone because your life and your hearers will be affected by your choice and dont be the first to get in line for booster jabs this time. I slowed played this big time because I knew from my Stanford friend who is a doctor and my pals in the military that this is not good. I took all that information and planted it on the right side of my brain. After that, I went online to see what the folks were saying. That's when the assholes on FB drew lines because they were pissed off HRC lost and blamed it on me and the rain. Sore losers then went out of their way to cheat and win at all cost. Russia and more Russia, Impeach twice and then the big heist Nov 3rd. This was a military sting operation fool. That alone should scare you straight. Dont F with people who have been big time screwed over by the War Vampires. The Scam with a Plan is what were all fighting over now. It;s the flu. Grace thinks otherwise. She plays it safe and looks for common ground. Where two side fight, no one is right, right?
It's EOTL. Exposed!!!
Cuomo was ignorant. DeSantis and Abbott both know exactly what they are doing.
Roadrunner
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I agree that the problems come in communication. It's been poor. The policy makers might or might not be getting good information, and frequently, they are not considering a full enough set of stakeholders. If you're not at the table, right? We needed transparent, well informed communication from the start, and we didn't get it. We deserve better, and I think most everyone is frustrated.
As a society, too many want to divide us into camps, and dismiss others if their opinion doesn't conform. We're not listening to each other's stories. Families are getting divided. For what? It's really sad.
The misinformation and conspiracy theories are initiated by just a few, and it's not by Johnny. For whatever motivation, there's others who amplify.
Not just Cuomo. Cuomo and Levine. They both sent known covid patients back to nursing homes. They should boh be held responsible.
And, no, it wasn‘t ignorance. Why would you include liability immunity if you had no clue there might be a risk? They knew it was a risk, and they chose to do it anyway.
OK, maybe your not EOTL. He loved Cuomo and wanted him to run for President. Let's have an audit. Let's look at all the back & forth on email & text. The truth always comes out
Desert Hound
DA
Hospital shit show? Our ICUs never were full and had to turn away people. So if you got sick and needed care you had it. Now unfortunately like everywhere else in the US many operations, exams, were not scheduled and so that did affect people with other diseases (cancer, etc).
CA per million didn't do much better case wise vs AZ. We just have different populations which have different health issues. A lot of our deaths occurred on the reservations.
And so it isn't like CA did anything good. CO has about the same total cases per million as CA, but 300 or so less deaths per million? Why?
NM has about exactly the same cases per million as CA but 500 more deaths per million? Why? Hint they have lots of people living on reservations.
Etc etc. You conveniently and consistently ignore the above numbers because it doesn't fit into your mold/mindset of lockdowns work. Both CO and NM went the lockdown route similar to CA. Similar cases per million, but vastly different deaths per million.
Speaking of cases...CA has a hair less than 2 million active cases right now. AZ has about 64k.
I wholeheartedly agree with this actually. Very well thought out.
but it’s not just division though…some groups feel (rightly or wrongly) they are held in active contempt by others, particularly when they dare to question their truth. This is true whether the blm activist who thinks they aren’t being listened to, or the sturgis roadster who wonders why the media is going after him but not Obama because his party was “vaccinated and sophisticated”.
EvilGoalie 21
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I find it amusing when the discussion on cloth/surgical masks goes down the road of filtration, leading to them subsequently being dismissed as face diapers.
EvilGoalie 21
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If the talk turns to book banning I'm not so sure.
Hahahahaha, so amusing hahahahha. Folks losing their job, hahahahahah. Kids forced to wear a mask even though they obeyed their parents the first time for the jab and parents promised them jab=no mask and we can all go back to normal....... hahahahaha, so amusing and hahahahahaha so funny. I find it odd when people are forced into a horrible decision about jab or no job. That's fucking evil, to mess with one's mind and try and control it with liars who claim to be "experts." Experts my ass. They sold their soul like you obviously did and now have to deal with that decison. Game is over and good wins, yay!!! California will be one big Class Action. Everyone with a brain that is still a no for the jab, will have to get fired, if they got guts to do it. The nurses are on the front line and many are 100% a no for jab. That is not amusing and should WTFing people up but as long as evil is among us giving evil advice, then people will still make evil decisions. Hahahahahahahahahaha, so amusing!!!
No, I understand evil and good, light & darkness, Jesus & Satan. I'm not for banning books. I think you should read whatever you like. I'm not for forcing kids to wear a mask all day at school and be taught some crap in books they push. I would pull my kid out so fast today if they were younger. What a bunch of BS they push on kids these days! Evil is pushing hate books that divide and has evil in the hidden message in the book is what I would stay away from.
Not really my point about control. I'm talking about the studies themselves are in a controlled environment because they have to isolate the variables they are testing (that's my layman's explanation). Which is the proper way to conduct science but doesn't always translate to the real world. As a matter of note, the biggest difference between universities/education vs. the private sector is tenure. Tenure is a significant limiting factor on accountability.
That's the $1 million question, but I don't think were talking about asking your Uber driver for medical advice. Where talking about which epidemiologist are we supposed to believe? Should I believe the Fox expert or the CNN expert? I say do your own research, take everything with a grain of salt and make the decision that's best for your family. Be accountable for those decisions. I have an issue when politicians cherry pick their experts to make my personal health choices. Is this the perfect solution, nope, far from it. There is the larger public health policy issues and people are going to make the wrong decisions. Some will make the wrong decision and then not be accountable...which is very common these days with the growth of the "victim mentality". Individual freedom is not the perfect solution put it is far more consistent with the values our Country was founded on, which also includes the assumption of risk.
At the end of the day I can live with the restrictions for myself as an adult, but I can't condone what has been done to our children. It's reprehensible what we have done to them in the name of safety theater. Those that claim that mandating masks for all children is for their safety are either 1) lying, they are really more concerned about getting Covid from a kid or 2) so overcome with fear that its destroyed their common sense. Let kids learn, smile and laugh, but most importantly let them breath.