Vaccine

Roadrunner said:
I have not seen data on how many of the unvaccinated people currently in the hospital had either confirmed or suspected cases of covid in the past. I think an underlying question here is whether natural immunity is as robust as immunity from a vaccine. It could be as robust in some cases, and not in others. I would add to that to ask whether natural immunity following an infection with one variant will be as protective against another variant as immunity from vaccine x, y, or z. In that regard I did read a peer reviewed paper that suggested that the RNA based vaccines were more likely to lead to protection from variants than natural immunity because the spike protein produced by the RNA will adopt a greater variety of conformations (shapes), allowing the immune system to create a larger variety of antibodies against the spike protein. Since the spike protein is the main target for the immune system, having all the other proteins produced in a natural infection won't necessarily be any advantage.
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There is some data contrary from Israel but as you say there’s not a whole lot on natural immunity yet

One anecdote: outdoor bbq. Double vaxxed person wearing n95 except to eat. 9 attendees. 3 had confirmed natural immunity and a recent antibody count of 10 on the scale but not vaxxed. Other 5 were double vaxxed. Double vaxxed attendee had covid (had sniffles at the party…thought it was allergy…found out because she’s a nut about testing every 2 weeks). 3 of the double vaxxed/outdoor/masked attendees fell ill with covid confirmed with test. Of the 3 the 2 younger were not serious the older was. Patient zero sheltered with the naturally immune individuals. Said individuals did not fall ill and took 2 spaces out covid tests to confirm.
 
Grace T. said:
There is some data contrary from Israel but as you say there’s not a whole lot on natural immunity yet

One anecdote: outdoor bbq. Double vaxxed person wearing n95 except to eat. 9 attendees. 3 had confirmed natural immunity and a recent antibody count of 10 on the scale but not vaxxed. Other 5 were double vaxxed. Double vaxxed attendee had covid (had sniffles at the party…thought it was allergy…found out because she’s a nut about testing every 2 weeks). 3 of the double vaxxed/outdoor/masked attendees fell ill with covid confirmed with test. Of the 3 the 2 younger were not serious the older was. Patient zero sheltered with the naturally immune individuals. Said individuals did not fall ill and took 2 spaces out covid tests to confirm.
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Grace, everyone I know who has been sick lately got the jabs. I know no one who is sick + no jab. It's jab plus flu from what I see. I'm not lying at all. Those are the facts. Hospitals are not over crowded either.
 
tjinaz said:
What I find ironic is the same people who typically respond "my body.. my choice" are now all the sudden behind the government telling people what they can and can't do.
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It's still my body, my choice. But, you should choose wisely. The vaccines are safe and effective.

Also, don't discount the fact that our children are required to have the following vaccinations to enter public schools:
- Diphtheria/Tetanus/ Pertussis
- Polio
- Measles/Mumps/Rubella
- Varicella (Chickenpox)
- Hepatitis B

It's truly pathetic that some "news" organizations have sought to politicize the vaccine.
 
crush said:
Grace, everyone I know who has been sick lately got the jabs. I know no one who is sick + no jab. It's jab plus flu from what I see. I'm not lying at all. Those are the facts. Hospitals are not over crowded either.
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You might want to read up on what is happening in Florida.
 
dad4 said:
Nice base rate error.

Phrased more clearly, the 30% who are not vaccinated are causing as much harm as the 70% who are.
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Wasn't the entire justification the CDC used for renewed masks was that the viral loads in both were similar?

It's not a question of "who is causing more harm". It's that so long as there is a sufficiently large pool of the vulnerable, herd immunity is an illusion. So we are talking restrictions forever or move on and embrace the reality. I have yet to hear an offramp from you.
 
NOVA.Dad said:
The vaccines are safe and effective, don't believe the misinformation.
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What about my pal who has blood clot and had two jabs? I can prove this through text too. I have another pal who is sick and he got two jabs. It's not life threatening at all, just pal is upset because he's sick again and now has to wear a mask and besides, the injection company is trying to line him up for third round. Do you see the problem? Assholes are going around blaming the non jab group for their illnesses. That will never be a winning formula, TRUST ME!!! Why are people like you blaming people like me for drunk driving and giving people the Delta? I'm super duper pissed off and I will NOT take it anymore. I am not sick ever now. Lost 45 LBs and feel and look great. I should be praised and "well done crush" "way to go crush, keep it up' or "Man, crush is right and I need to head his advice on health." I got it back in Jan 2020 Nova Dad and I don;t think I will ever get sick again. BTW, do you eat a lot of meat and drink alcohol?
 
Grace T. said:
Wasn't the entire justification the CDC used for renewed masks was that the viral loads in both were similar?

It's not a question of "who is causing more harm". It's that so long as there is a sufficiently large pool of the vulnerable, herd immunity is an illusion. So we are talking restrictions forever or move on and embrace the reality. I have yet to hear an offramp from you.
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Similar? Of course not. We have plenty of evidence that viral concentrations are lower in vaccinated people.

Why would their emissions be similar, when they are producing less virus?
 
dad4 said:
Similar? Of course not. We have plenty of evidence that viral concentrations are lower in vaccinated people.

Why would their emissions be similar, when they are producing less virus?
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Hey I may be remembering this wrong but the entire justification of the cdc mask mandate was that some vaccinated individuals produced similar viral loads to unvaccinated individuals.
 
dad4 said:
Similar? Of course not. We have plenty of evidence that viral concentrations are lower in vaccinated people.

Why would their emissions be similar, when they are producing less virus?
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Look dude, I know what I see, hear and talk about with everyday neighbors and friends. I can honestly say that 95% of the people my wife and I know have been jabbed at least twice. I swear. We have one, two, three and four other friends we see once a month to spend time together. All of us our 99% vegan. Super healthy. Jim lost 22 LBs and his wife lost 65 LBs, no joke bro. I told her she needs to do a photo shoot. She got teared up from that compliment. I told her husband he needs to drop 35 more and he can be in the shoot too :) The only people we know who have been sick last 12 months are our Jab friends. We dont judge and we dont tell them to stay away from us like your preaching. We also dont tell them to mask up. However, some of them ((the vaccinated)) are now getting scared. It's so sad to see humans behave like this. Fear is addictive, 100% it is and you sir are afraid. You dont need to be Dad. Run to the light where truth & justice live. Let's all take a look at the election to see why so many {D} run areas closed down for the night?
 
I sick & I tired of being accused the last 5 years for being a t supporter when I wasnt. Espola labeled me early on as a t supporter. I kicked his ass in fair online debating ((I'm the only one he super ignored)). The only thing I support is America and the Military and Equality for all human life. Then the lawyers started shit on FB and said anyone who voted or supports t is a racist and we cant be friends unless we vote for Satan DD. I got so pissed off at my friends. Seriously, no one tells me who to or not vote for, even if i havent voted in a long long time. I was not a fan of t, not at all. I will say today he looks great and is going to go down as the GOAT of all Presidents, MOO!!! I would be laughing my head off if my dream comes true. I told all of you I had a dream that everyone was crying and saying sorry to t for being assholes to him. If what I know is true, then my dream will come true. Then the same asshats wanted me to kneel and ask for mercy because I'm white and have white privilege. WTF is up with all this BS? I have no hope if I wrong. Now I'm really pissed. Drunk driver I am now too for saying no to experimental drugs ((let that sink in for a moment)). I wont wear a mask, wont get jabbed and wont give up my freedom. Then this and that and more of this bullshit. I so sick, I'm tired. I saw a video I cant find that had a dude cruising around hospitals and filming empty places all over that had marketed outbreaks on the news. In war time, this is illegal and you could find yourself in big doo doo with the MP. Military court is swift and to the point. Average case goes 1-3 days.

Nothing has changed!
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I have a good guy buddy story that is super sad. He does everything right kind of a guy. Married with three kids and wife that stays home. Dude makes well over $300K. He owns two homes and rents out two of them. One of the tenants hasn't paid rent for 12 months. I think he's owed $30K. He always makes his payments on time and has 800+ credit score. His company is one of those big ones that says, no jab no job. He was so stressed he took the jabs to keep income coming. You can;t freaking lose your job in this down turn of all turns. I spoke to him just now and he said he's now getting a cold and is full of regret and anger. Full on fits of rage!!atNothing serious but feels lied too big time. Plus his work just said, everyone mask is required to work place. He owns so much he owes it all to the bankers and he doesn;t want to let them down because they will zap his credit rating.
 
NOVA.Dad said:
It's truly pathetic that some "news" organizations have sought to politicize the vaccine.
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I think you and me… we need to unpack this a bit *summons Ted Laso voice*

That ‘News’ organizations politicize anything is wrong… On both sides! I don’t enjoy watching the evening ‘Editorial’ on any channel.

I’m also upset at how the ‘news’ channels created distrust in vaccines that were developed in the 2020 news cycle. Wait, those are the vaccines currently available…
 
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