Vaccine

espola said:
Usually, when someone suffers a motorcycle wreck, it does not raise the probability of other members of the victim's neighborhood having a similar accident.
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Errr unless it’s a wipe out someone else usually does crash with you. I was once on an off ramp and a motorcycle breezing past center lane took out my mirror. Was pod. They didn’t even stop and just ran.

Everyone’s going to get it. If the vaccine really is only 60% effective at symptomatic infection (and doesn’t stop transmission as the cdc is implying) unless you bunker everyone is going to come down with it. It’s inevitable. We are only talking timing now
 
When was the last time someone like PoorEspola, dad4, husker and all the other health pros pushing the jab have talked about your real health? Seriously? Obama party was so sophisticated with Elitism they didn't need to wear a mask. Plus, everyone got a bag of Kush. Crush is for eating healthy, veggies, fruit, nuts, exercise, BMI and so much more? Poorespola wants to go on his cruises without God believing folks. A true Elite snob that he is. Look at the liar lie and and mislead everyone with death and fear. Blamed all the deaths last year on Covid 19. Today, all deaths are from stupid non-jabbers like me, my wife and my daughter and I believe my boy. I will take you fools on any day of the week. Evil monsters. Look at Nova spreading his fear and death lies. Dude, I swear to you as fellow forum user and to all; the United States Military and NSA is watching you right now. All health doctors, teachers and everyone listen up. Watch what you push on my kids. You can have all the travel you want. I will not fly ever with you on a plane. You can have all the bars, casinos, booz, meat, cruise ships, strip joints, all the fantasy Islands, all public schools but one thing you can't have is is our kids. Freedom for me and freedom for our kids. Let them go!!! Game on. Q drop 1839, 3 year delta......PACKETS? From? When?
 
tjinaz said:
What I find ironic is the same people who typically respond "my body.. my choice" are now all the sudden behind the government telling people what they can and can't do.
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It is different this time.

Why?

Because you might spread the virus to someone else who is going to survive it and not even know they had it. Or maybe got the sniffles.

Big difference ;)
 
Grace T. said:
Errr unless it’s a wipe out someone else usually does crash with you. I was once on an off ramp and a motorcycle breezing past center lane took out my mirror. Was pod. They didn’t even stop and just ran.

Everyone’s going to get it. If the vaccine really is only 60% effective at symptomatic infection (and doesn’t stop transmission as the cdc is implying) unless you bunker everyone is going to come down with it. It’s inevitable. We are only talking timing now
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I don't understand how you think that is responsive to what I posted.
 
Grace T. said:
Errr unless it’s a wipe out someone else usually does crash with you. I was once on an off ramp and a motorcycle breezing past center lane took out my mirror. Was pod. They didn’t even stop and just ran.

Everyone’s going to get it. If the vaccine really is only 60% effective at symptomatic infection (and doesn’t stop transmission as the cdc is implying) unless you bunker everyone is going to come down with it. It’s inevitable. We are only talking timing now
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You’re actually using the “human projectile” theory they used to explain seat belt laws. No one took it seriously, because it was a really bad argument.

It’s still a really bad argument. ”Hit by flying motorcyclist” is not, in fact, a common cause of death in the United States.

By contrast, ”infected by unvaccinated covid victim”, is a common cause of death. Hundreds of them per day.
 
dad4 said:
By contrast, ”infected by unvaccinated covid victim”, is a common cause of death. Hundreds of them per day.
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Um….didn’t the CDC and the Great Dr Fauci go on record stating that Vaxx’d can carry and spread the virus? So let’s step outside the narrative that it’s the Unvaxx’d fault. I mean, does my Vaccine not work if you don’t have one?

Now a second question, how many of the unvaxx’d that are in the hospital have had Covid once already?
 
I just got off the phone with my pal from Kirkland, WA. Liberal as they come, but truth and Justice come first before being a Lib. I tend to be on the Conservative side with a taste of "everyone" should have a Basic Living Wage ((BLW)), which to me is food, shelter, blankets, clothing and opportunity to contribute. Mental illness needs to be done with compassion and wisdom. Anyway, he is 100% NEVER and I mean NEVER EVER taking another shot. He fessed up with honesty. He now see's how he and some of his pals were played up in the Pacific Northwest. He and his wife also HATED t. Not no more. I was blind but now I see he says :) I'm so proud of him. He thanked me for speaking truth to him. He's just getting over the Rona, after two jabs. His wife is sick and best pal is sick. All jabbed too......He knows it's not anti-jabbers giving him the flu because his whole family and neighborhood got the jabs. He say's the flu usually hits later in the Fall but all of sudden people feel sick.
 
Special Elitist Only Voyage- Here is Husker and his wife getting ready to set sail. Remember, no jab, no fun cruise.

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and let's not forget Dad 4 ((Ted)) and his girl ((Marcia)). They not only got the third shot, they also had their mask on during the voyage to Norway!!!

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Kicker4Life said:
Um….didn’t the CDC and the Great Dr Fauci go on record stating that Vaxx’d can carry and spread the virus? So let’s step outside the narrative that it’s the Unvaxx’d fault. I mean, does my Vaccine not work if you don’t have one?

Now a second question, how many of the unvaxx’d that are in the hospital have had Covid once already?
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“can spread the virus” is not the same as “equally likely to spread the virus”.

I’d say the growth in Delta cases is absolutely the fault of the unvaccinated people. They’re more likely to catch it, more likely to spread it, and less likely to take precautions to lower that risk.

Yes, a vaccinated person who stays outside and uses a mask *can* spread the virus. But- on average- they aren’t very good at it.
 
dad4 said:
“can spread the virus” is not the same as “equally likely to spread the virus”.

I’d say the growth in Delta cases is absolutely the fault of the unvaccinated people. They’re more likely to catch it, more likely to spread it, and less likely to take precautions to lower that risk.

Yes, a vaccinated person who stays outside and uses a mask *can* spread the virus. But- on average- they aren’t very good at it.
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Then what is the difference?

And the 2nd question???
 
Kicker4Life said:
Then what is the difference?

And the 2nd question???
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The difference is a lot of people cannot get their head around the following:

- the vast vast majority of people have no real risk.
- the virus is endemic. It will be here year after year.
- we cannot allow safety theater to continue on for something that only affects a small minority of people. That group by the way is vaxxed at a high rate.
- stop worry about people who chose not to get vaxxed. Their choice.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Then what is the difference?

And the 2nd question???
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The Delta variant is better at replicating itself (making copies of itself) than the original variant, and so people infected with it carry a lot more (1000x) virus in their upper respiratory passages. These higher titers are part of why this variant is easier to spread. Comparing infections in vaccinated versus unvaccinated people, those who are vaccinated are more likely to have lower titers (less virus) and a shorter duration of upper respiratory infection. There are additional factors that go into how likely someone is going to spread the virus, but the number of infectious virus particles is a key part of it. The immune cells in the vaccinated people will also be much more readily able to prevent the virus from gaining a foothold in their lungs and causing severe disease.
 
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Kicker4Life said:
Then what is the difference?

And the 2nd question???
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The difference is in the number of people you are likely to infect, if you do catch covid.

One estimate is that a vaccinated person will, on average, infect about a third as many people. If that is correct, 3 vaccinated people pose about the same risk as one unvaccinated person. If your country is half vaccinated and half not vaccinated, then the unvaccinated half are resonsible for about 3/4 of the problem, and the vaccinated half are responsible for about 1/4 of the problem.


Question 2- I don’t have good data for the prevalence of second infections among previous covid patients. Nor do I have good data for the prevalence of Delta infections among people who think they already had covid. (those two groups are substantially different)
 
Roadrunner said:
The Delta variant is better at replicating itself (making copies of itself) than the original variant, and so people infected with it carry a lot more (1000x) virus in their upper respiratory passages. These higher titers are part of why this variant is easier to spread. Comparing infections in vaccinated versus unvaccinated people, those who are vaccinated are more likely to have lower titers (less virus) and a shorter duration of upper respiratory infection. There are additional factors that go into how likely someone is going to spread the virus, but the number of infectious virus particles is a key part of it. The immune cells in the vaccinated people will also be much more readily able to prevent the virus from gaining a foothold in their lungs and causing severe disease.
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Thank you! That makes sense.

What’s your take on the 2nd question?
 
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