Vaccine

Kicker4Life said:
Proof you’re making shit up by spinning statements out of context…..

My point was and always has been, if your want the Vaxx get it, but it should have NEVER been mandated. My body my choice, remember. Then your counter was how selfish of a statement that was because we need to protect our neighbors (wrong again as it never stopped you from getting or spreading it to others)…..

Remember the “pandemic of the unvaccinated”. Another broadcast statement from
our leadership that turned out to be false.
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That’s my point. You are consistent in that you want to end mandates.

Then the facts change to follow your principles. When you needed an argument against masks and indoor dining bans, you were happy to argue that the vaccine was so great that we could abandon all other covid containment measures. When you needed an argument against vaccine requirements, all of a sudden the vaccine was so bad it wasn’t a vaccine anymore.

The quality of the vaccine seems to depend on which mandate you are opposing. If you are opposing a vaccine mandate, then you will say the vaccine stinks. If you are opposing NPI mandates, you will say the vaccine is all you need.
 
dad4 said:
How so? The covid vaccine reduces the risk of infection, transmission, hospitalization, and death.

What is your standard for being willing to call something a vaccine?

Don’t tell me a vaccine needs to completely “stop” all transmission. Even the smallpox shot didn’t do that.
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dude dad - you are still kicking this can? still on this bandwagon, crazy! Remember that one time at band camp when we vaccinated everyone against polio and small pox and cases soared? Remember that?

mRNA is killing the vaccine vibe.
 
dad4 said:
That’s my point. You are consistent in that you want to end mandates.

Then the facts change to follow your principles. When you needed an argument against masks and indoor dining bans, you were happy to argue that the vaccine was so great that we could abandon all other covid containment measures. When you needed an argument against vaccine requirements, all of a sudden the vaccine was so bad it wasn’t a vaccine anymore.

The quality of the vaccine seems to depend on which mandate you are opposing. If you are opposing a vaccine mandate, then you will say the vaccine stinks. If you are opposing NPI mandates, you will say the vaccine is all you need.
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the "vaccine" stinks. Why mandate a crappy product that doesn't work as advertised? has always been gibberish spin.
 
dad4 said:
When you needed an argument against masks and indoor dining bans, you were happy to argue that the vaccine was so great that we could abandon all other covid containment measures. When you needed an argument against vaccine requirements, all of a sudden the vaccine was so bad it wasn’t a vaccine anymore.
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Nope….it’s all in your head….I’ve never waivered.
 
dad4 said:
That’s my point. You are consistent in that you want to end mandates.
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Many of us are.

The vax....
Doesnt stop the spread of the virus
Doesnt prevent one from getting infected.

Those 2 facts render the argument for mandates null and void.

Then factor in the fact that people wanted to mandate a vax that had no long term studies done. That is unethical at a min.
 
Masks reduce risk of transmission when worn properly. Lockdowns and social distancing measures reduce risk of transmission. These saved lives until effective vaccines could be introduced, which further saved lives by the severity of the virus. These are indisputable facts. They are why AZ has the highest overall Covid death rate of any state and about twice that of CA, which is 41st. If CA had followed AZ's stupid policies, that would have been another 100,000 Covid deaths at least, and probably more given CA's much higher urban densities. Even NY, which had to deal with the worst of the virus before any effective prevention and treatment existed, now has only the 15th highest overall Covid death rate, which is further proof that the combination of masks, social distancing and vaccines helped tremendously.

Now that it would be embarrassing for the anti-vax/mask/social distancing idiots to AZ, NY and CA as proof of anything they support, they're pointing to China's increased problems. But China's increasing death rate is primarily the result of low vaccination rates combined with the fact that their vaccines are not nearly as effective as ours. China is proof only that mask and social distancing were important to save lives before a vaccine existed, but unsustainable for a society over the long term. More importantly, the anti-vax/mask/social distancing nut jobs also fail to acknowledge that China's overall Covid-19 death rate so far is 4 people per million, but AZ's death rate is 4421 per million. Think about that. If there were ever any definitive proof that masks and social distancing work, it is this. If there were ever any evidence that the US vaccines work, it is that US death rates have dropped significantly, but China's are increasing. The painfully obvious truth is that so many people died in the US only because of the behavior of the anti-mask/vax/social distancing nutjobs. There is a death rate that is higher than China's, but far less than AZ's 4,420 per million, that could have happened if only there were just fewer stupid, selfish American nutters.

Speaking of crush, it's no surprise he blames the Bills' player's cardiac arrest on the vaccine. He also blamed the vaccine for Christian Eriksen but, oops, it turned out Eriksen wasn't vaccinated. By crush's "logic", Eriksen's heart attack must prove that being unvaccinated causes cardiac arrest, right? Or did Hank Gathers get the Covid vaccine back in 1990? I think crush also tried to blame the Stanford goalie's death on being depressed due to Covid but, oops, wrong again. It must be hard to be anti-vax/mask/social distance when it means they agree with perhaps the dumbest person on earth.
 
SurFutbol said:
Masks reduce risk of transmission when worn properly. Lockdowns and social distancing measures reduce risk of transmission. These saved lives until effective vaccines could be introduced, which further saved lives by the severity of the virus. These are indisputable facts. They are why AZ has the highest overall Covid death rate of any state and about twice that of CA, which is 41st. If CA had followed AZ's stupid policies, that would have been another 100,000 Covid deaths at least, and probably more given CA's much higher urban densities. Even NY, which had to deal with the worst of the virus before any effective prevention and treatment existed, now has only the 15th highest overall Covid death rate, which is further proof that the combination of masks, social distancing and vaccines helped tremendously.

Now that it would be embarrassing for the anti-vax/mask/social distancing idiots to AZ, NY and CA as proof of anything they support, they're pointing to China's increased problems. But China's increasing death rate is primarily the result of low vaccination rates combined with the fact that their vaccines are not nearly as effective as ours. China is proof only that mask and social distancing were important to save lives before a vaccine existed, but unsustainable for a society over the long term. More importantly, the anti-vax/mask/social distancing nut jobs also fail to acknowledge that China's overall Covid-19 death rate so far is 4 people per million, but AZ's death rate is 4421 per million. Think about that. If there were ever any definitive proof that masks and social distancing work, it is this. If there were ever any evidence that the US vaccines work, it is that US death rates have dropped significantly, but China's are increasing. The painfully obvious truth is that so many people died in the US only because of the behavior of the anti-mask/vax/social distancing nutjobs. There is a death rate that is higher than China's, but far less than AZ's 4,420 per million, that could have happened if only there were just fewer stupid, selfish American nutters.

Speaking of crush, it's no surprise he blames the Bills' player's cardiac arrest on the vaccine. He also blamed the vaccine for Christian Eriksen but, oops, it turned out Eriksen wasn't vaccinated. By crush's "logic", Eriksen's heart attack must prove that being unvaccinated causes cardiac arrest, right? Or did Hank Gathers get the Covid vaccine back in 1990? I think crush also tried to blame the Stanford goalie's death on being depressed due to Covid but, oops, wrong again. It must be hard to be anti-vax/mask/social distance when it means they agree with perhaps the dumbest person on earth.
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Sure, lockdowns for the first few weeks helped, but the continued blanket policies when we knew the statistics of risk caused more harm than helped.

The only thing China is proving is you can’t hide from a Respiratory Virus. You can get a booster that may help (vaxx’ed people are still dying with Covid) but effectiveness is still subpar.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Sure, lockdowns for the first few weeks helped, but the continued blanket policies when we knew the statistics of risk caused more harm than helped.

The only thing China is proving is you can’t hide from a Respiratory Virus. You can get a booster that may help (vaxx’ed people are still dying with Covid) but effectiveness is still subpar.
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Fine if you would have preferred a lot more dead Americans. Just own it instead of all this b.s. about how masks, social distancing and vaccines haven't saved a lot of lives. All this whining about how your quality of life was negatively affected because you were asked to wear masks and not hang out in bars for a while during the worst pandemic in over a century is pathetic.

And WTF are you talking about with respect to effectiveness being "subpar"? Is that what the anti-vaxxer crowd is claiming now that vaccine development has been going on for three years and the anti-vaxxers can't whine anymore about how it was "rushed"? This is just more bs excuses.
 
The vaccine is at best a prophylactic therapeutic. Calling it a vaccine is a prime example of misinformation, or an outright lie to rationalize mandates. The vast majority of the public has figured it out and that's why you are seeing very low booster rates and even lower child shot rates. Some people are still holding on to their myopic altered reality, though, and want to continue to mask kids and implement other restrictions. The "don't question science" crowd can cite whatever studies they want, but when the general public can see that the majority of their friends and family have been infected post-vaccination then they can't trust science. They trust their eyes and reality.

For the last year we've lived with Covid without any mandates and restrictions (for the most part) and the vast majority are doing just fine despite continued infections. Again its a pandemic of the compromised (95% deaths have an average 4 comorbidities). It's not a pandemic of children, RSV is far more dangerous to children than Covid, although very treatable.

I will be honest, I would have accepted a few more accelerated deaths of the compromised in exchange for large populations of children not having their physical, mental and educational development damaged.

I've been consistent from the start, we need to put the needs of our children ahead of those of the adults.
 
Speaking of the Bills player and what EVERYONE was thinking in their little brains as CPR was being used, it looks like it was the vicious hit and nothing to do with the jabs. I misinformation the group with being emotional. I'm sorry about that. The pals I know who passed away suddenly in their sleep last year was just that, a sudden and natural death at 50 years old. Nothing to see here folks, just move right along and put a mask on as you go outside full of the flu and Covid 19.
 
crush said:
Speaking of the Bills player and what EVERYONE was thinking in their little brains as CPR was being used, it looks like it was the vicious hit and nothing to do with the jabs. I misinformation the group with being emotional. I'm sorry about that. The pals I know who passed away suddenly in their sleep last year was just that, a sudden and natural death at 50 years old. Nothing to see here folks, just move right along and put a mask on as you go outside full of the flu and Covid 19.
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Eriksen can have cardiac arrest and Hank Gathers can drop dead at 23, but if your "pal" dies at 50 it must be because of a vaccine? Sure. More likely, your friend died laughing after you told him that you'd decided that your middle school age daughter was going pro right out of HS.
 
SurFutbol said:
Fine if you would have preferred a lot more dead Americans. Just own it instead of all this b.s. about how masks, social distancing and vaccines haven't saved a lot of lives. All this whining about how your quality of life was negatively affected because you were asked to wear masks and not hang out in bars for a while during the worst pandemic in over a century is pathetic.

And WTF are you talking about with respect to effectiveness being "subpar"? Is that what the anti-vaxxer crowd is claiming now that vaccine development has been going on for three years and the anti-vaxxers can't whine anymore about how it was "rushed"? This is just more bs excuses.
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Subpar as in it didn’t do what it was sold as doing (stopping transmutation, protecting those who take it from getting the disease it was meant to protect you from…” the Virus stops with you”.

27 posts since 10/22 and not a single one about your child’s soccer experience. So why are you in a youth soccer forum?
 
Kicker4Life said:
Subpar as in it didn’t do what it was sold as doing (stopping transmutation, protecting those who take it from getting the disease it was meant to protect you from…” the Virus stops with you”.

27 posts since 10/22 and not a single one about your child’s soccer experience. So why are you in a youth soccer forum?
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OOH! -- a stalker!
 
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