thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
In your " Lifetime "....
You've posted continuously that you were raised in the North East....
I think you're full of " Crap ".....
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In your " Lifetime "....
You've posted continuously that you were raised in the North East....
I think you're full of " Crap ".....
Mad Hatter
SILVER
No.
Masks dont work.
Mandating a vax is pointless as well. It doesn't stop the spread of the virus which in theory is the reason to mandate a vax. And furthermore only a small segment of the population really needs it.
We also keep seeing more things to not like about side affects from the various versions of the vax.
Europe realizes there is no benefit having kids get vaxxed and they ( a growing number of them) actively recommend not getting it.
And for some strange reason our CDC wants kids to get vaxxed.
The more info that comes out...the worse shutdowns, school closures, manding vaxxes etc look to be.
I was thinking more recently, when London forced all landlords to pay huge assessments to pay for creating a sewer system to fight cholera. I can imagine the complaints against the clearly unfair government mandate:
“Why should I pay 500 pounds to connect my building to the sewer?“. “Those who want sewers can get sewers.”. “Cholera will do what it wants. Pipes in the ground aren’t won’t stop it.”.
The anti-sewer crowd even had a list of well respected doctors who calmly (but wrongly) explained that cholera was spread by the airborne miasma in overcrowded slums.
You’re having trouble with questions of scale.
There were 36.2 million hospital admissions in 2019. 150,000 per year is not “staggering”. It's about 0.4% of all hospitalizations.
150,000 hospitalizations is also pretty close to a bad winter week of post-pandemic covid. (153K for the week of Jan 15, 2022 )
You're not even the first to play this game. There were plenty of people in the 1800s who were certain that mandatory sewer connections would never do anything to stop cholera. They even had doctors and out of date scientific articles explaining why sewers would never work.
Same thing happened with the smallpox vaccine. Right down to vaccine mandates and the claim that "only a small segment of the population really needs it".
We get this every time there is a need for a public health measure. There are some fools who just don't want to do it, and those people parrot anyone willing to tell them what they want to hear.
The London sewers were a great improvement over the previous technology (open ditches and backyard privies), but they still just dumped the untreated sewage in the Thames sufficiently downstream from London that it would not be carried back up by the tides.
Mad Hatter
SILVER
Clinging to straws I see. Consistent in your religious belief.
Sewers vs masks. Sewers work. Masks dont.
So your analogy doesnt work there.
Small pox vax vs covid. One worked at both preventing the disease and stopping the spread. The other does not.
You analogy fails again.
I wish the vax prevented the spread. It doesn't. I wish it stopped people from getting infected. It doesn't. For the very vulnerable it does lessen the affects of the virus and that is good.
That is vastly different from the smallpox vax.
That reality also completely washes away the rationale for mandating the vax which you are a big fan of.
Wait. You think the smallpox vax "stopped" all infection and "prevented" all disease?
It was never above 95% effective, and the immunity faded with time. Just like every other vaccine.
Your desperate denial reminds me of Monty Python's Black Knight -- "Just a flesh wound".
Winter Wave Surge Warning!!!!
The new Omicron subvariant XBB.1.5 has hit our shores. What you must know now
The XBB mutation accounts for almost 41% of confirmed COVID-19 cases nationwide
I heard another radio ad pushing boosters yesterday and to wear a mask when you feel sick and your just out and about. My advice ((I am not a doctor so take with a grain of salt and your fav shot)) when your feeling flu like symptoms; keep your ass at home, close your freaking bedroom door, take the many combat flu killer medicines that is best for you and then sleep it off, alone and away from others. Wash hands all the time, drink lots of water and live the BRAT way. Don't go out in public and be a super hero wearing your mask for all to see how virtuous you are.
The new Omicron subvariant XBB.1.5 has hit our shores. What you must know now
The XBB mutation accounts for almost 41% of confirmed COVID-19 cases nationwide
I heard another radio ad pushing boosters yesterday and to wear a mask when you feel sick and your just out and about. My advice ((I am not a doctor so take with a grain of salt and your fav shot)) when your feeling flu like symptoms; keep your ass at home, close your freaking bedroom door, take the many combat flu killer medicines that is best for you and then sleep it off, alone and away from others. Wash hands all the time, drink lots of water and live the BRAT way. Don't go out in public and be a super hero wearing your mask for all to see how virtuous you are.
And the Covid shot’s effectiveness was?????
NFL Live last night showed US all the lack of effectiveness. Plus the fact my best pals WHO took the poison are the one's getting sick all the time and some have died from widow attacks. I know I am full of you know what to you, but my eyes saw what I saw last night and in all my my 50+ years of being a Steelers fan, big time NFL fan, Super fan of Monday Night Football and the Super Bowl, I never saw what I saw last night, ever! I pray for all of US right now. I played the Monday Night Football Theme Song on my wedding Day for the Groomsman to come out of the shadows and this does not look good. What many of our brave men & women football/futbol players had to inject in their bodies to be eligible is insane and it needs to stop, like now!!!
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Original mRNA shot was 95%.
Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine | NEJM
Original Article from The New England Journal of Medicine — Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine
www.nejm.org
Omicron booster, against omicron, was 84%.
The Omicron Booster: Your Questions Answered
Yale Medicine infectious diseases doctors discuss the new Omicron-specific COVID-19 booster.
www.yalemedicine.org
Did you want your 2021 shot to block 2023 variants? Yeah, me too. No such luck. If you want immunizations to work right, keep them up to date.
Original mRNA shot was 95%.
Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine | NEJM
Original Article from The New England Journal of Medicine — Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccinewww.nejm.org
Omicron booster, against omicron, was 84%.
The Omicron Booster: Your Questions Answered
Yale Medicine infectious diseases doctors discuss the new Omicron-specific COVID-19 booster.
Did you want your 2021 shot to block 2023 variants? Yeah, me too. No such luck. If you want immunizations to work right, keep them up to date.
Mad Hatter
SILVER
Now compare that with the covid vax that wasnt effective at all at stopping the spread OR and does not prevent vaxxed people from getting it.
Or compare that vs how covid only affects a relatively small population and how most people have little to no risk even when exposed to the virus...vs the risk that smallpox had to the population as whole.
It shouldnt even be a debate...except for those still clinging to the straws they so fervently believed was and are true.
Mad Hatter
SILVER
The problem with this is...in theory keeping up to date require 2-4 shots a year.
And increasingly scientists and doctors are worried that is too much.
The info/data that keeps coming out is going in the wrong direction of those who want multiple boosters each year.
There have been no LONG term studies done on the vaxxes or doing multiple boosters each year.
Original mRNA shot was 95%.
Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine | NEJM
Original Article from The New England Journal of Medicine — Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccinewww.nejm.org
Omicron booster, against omicron, was 84%.
The Omicron Booster: Your Questions Answered
Yale Medicine infectious diseases doctors discuss the new Omicron-specific COVID-19 booster.
Did you want your 2021 shot to block 2023 variants? Yeah, me too. No such luck. If you want immunizations to work right, keep them up to date.
that “95%” was published in Dec of 2020….around the same time Fauci, Biden, Maddow and the rest of Team Vax are on record stating, “get your shot and the Virus stops with you”……how did that work out?
By April estimates on the effectiveness were FAR lower. Even the Pfizer CEO admitted it was never tested against transmitting so how could anyone know it was going to have a 95% effectiveness level?