Vaccine

espola said:
China and mRNA --

"China’s lack of an mRNA shot — and its delay in approving a viable foreign option — has poked holes in Beijing’s victorious pandemic narrative and prompted experts to question whether the country’s go-it-alone approach is less triumphant than officials would have the world believe."

Why China Doesn’t Have an mRNA Vaccine for Covid - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
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Or maybe the chinese are on to something? Why aren't they asking for our large stockpile of bivalent boosters and why aren't we sending what we are sitting on that people aren't taking? Maybe they don't dig negative efficacy?
 
Happened again said:
this is your homerun? That the vaccines really do stink and that we need to work on better ones? That 60% of dead adults in AUG were vaxxed and boosted? Your approach to public health is curious to say the least. Are you an advocate for vaccinating healthy people - never mind, don't asnwer that.
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You didn't read the quoted passage from the article? Here. I'll repeat it again for you --

"Adults who are up to date on their shots are 15 times less likely to die from Covid than those who are unvaccinated. Covid vaccines prevented more than 3.2 million deaths and 18.5 million hospitalizations in the U.S. from December 2020 through November 2022, according to an analysis published Tuesday by the Commonwealth Fund and Yale School of Public Health."
 
Happened again said:
Or maybe the chinese are on to something? Why aren't they asking for our large stockpile of bivalent boosters and why aren't we sending what we are sitting on that people aren't taking? Maybe they don't dig negative efficacy?
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It's becoming a recurring amusement how you will twist your mind to rationalize your previous positions no matter what facts are presented.

Let's see how long we can keep this up.
 
espola said:
You didn't read the quoted passage from the article? Here. I'll repeat it again for you --

"Adults who are up to date on their shots are 15 times less likely to die from Covid than those who are unvaccinated. Covid vaccines prevented more than 3.2 million deaths and 18.5 million hospitalizations in the U.S. from December 2020 through November 2022, according to an analysis published Tuesday by the Commonwealth Fund and Yale School of Public Health."
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ahhh, but ok for you to ignore the other facts in the article. 20-22 huh...hmmm
 
espola said:
It's becoming a recurring amusement how you will twist your mind to rationalize your previous positions no matter what facts are presented.

Let's see how long we can keep this up.
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I get it now...you answer with gibberish when you don't understand the words displayed on your screen....we have a large stockpile of bivalent boosters..I wonder why. have you taken a peek at negative efficacy?

Please tell me my previous positions and how I've wavered? Old and/or comprimised = vax (vax injury low on totem pole), Young and healthy = no vax (data is clear). Should you boost? pay attention to old/emerging data.

But back to China...
 
Happened again said:
I get it now...you answer with gibberish when you don't understand the words displayed on your screen....we have a large stockpile of bivalent boosters..I wonder why. have you taken a peek at negative efficacy?

Please tell me my previous positions and how I've wavered? Old and/or comprimised = vax (vax injury low on totem pole), Young and healthy = no vax (data is clear). Should you boost? pay attention to old/emerging data.

But back to China...
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So are you sticking with "It doesn't prevent transmission, it doesn't provide immunity" despite the statistics that say otherwise?
 
espola said:
So are you sticking with "It doesn't prevent transmission, it doesn't provide immunity" despite the statistics that say otherwise?
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that's a silly question to ask....do they? is the pandemic over? Now, if you rephrase your words to say provide protection for severe disease for some people, you'd feel better and could be taken more seriously. But if you are on the prevention and immunity bandwagon, we have nothing to discuss.

Show me a clinical trial that shows prevention and immunity for a mRNA covid vaccine without significant wane. and spare me the "not all vaccines are 100%" bs. Plenty of vaccines have been developed and deployed that have eradicated disease....mRNA, not so much. If that was the case, canada should be good to go..which they are not.....or pick another mRNA country - your choice.
 
espola said:
What other facts do you find germane?
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luv that word - germane. 60% dead people seemed pretty germane. have you ever wondered what happens when a virus mutates and a vaccine can't keep up? seems pretty obvious to me that the gist of the article said current vaccines suck and can't keep up with mutations. Are you boosted for little O and it's subvariants? Little O isn't the OG, pretty mild, along with it's off springs. Plenty of emerging data that suggests boosting is having an opposite effect and is leaving you with a blind spot for mutating virus. Thank goodness for those crazy b and t cells.

Anyway, alarm was sounded early and emerging data confirming what those crazies thought a year ago.

www.healthline.com

How to Tell If You're Fully Vaccinated Against COVID-19

Keeping up with COVID-19 booster eligibility can be tough. If you're not sure what "fully vaccinated" means these days, our guide can help.
www.healthline.com www.healthline.com
 
Happened again said:
luv that word - germane. 60% dead people seemed pretty germane. have you ever wondered what happens when a virus mutates and a vaccine can't keep up? seems pretty obvious to me that the gist of the article said current vaccines suck and can't keep up with mutations. Are you boosted for little O and it's subvariants? Little O isn't the OG, pretty mild, along with it's off springs. Plenty of emerging data that suggests boosting is having an opposite effect and is leaving you with a blind spot for mutating virus. Thank goodness for those crazy b and t cells.

Anyway, alarm was sounded early and emerging data confirming what those crazies thought a year ago.

www.healthline.com

How to Tell If You're Fully Vaccinated Against COVID-19

Keeping up with COVID-19 booster eligibility can be tough. If you're not sure what "fully vaccinated" means these days, our guide can help.
www.healthline.com www.healthline.com
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If you are going to make up your own stats I guess you can justify any position you wish to take.
 
espola said:
So are you sticking with "It doesn't prevent transmission, it doesn't provide immunity" despite the statistics that say otherwise?
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100% the vaxx DOES NOT prevent transmission and DOES NOT provide immunity!

let’s not forget, pre vax, there was still a 99% survival rate for those under 65.
 
espola said:
Clueless.
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IF the Vax PREVENTED transmission why are the vax’d spreading it? If the Vax PROVIDED immunity, why are the vax’d and boosted still catching it?

Why is the Vax population making up more of the Covid deaths than last year?

What otherREAL vaccines require a 2x’s per year booster shot to remain somewhat effective?

incoming dumbass,, none specific response coming in……3….2…..1….
 
Kicker4Life said:
IF the Vax PREVENTED transmission why are the vax’d spreading it? If the Vax PROVIDED immunity, why are the vax’d and boosted still catching it?

Why is the Vax population making up more of the Covid deaths than last year?

What otherREAL vaccines require a 2x’s per year booster shot to remain somewhat effective?

incoming dumbass,, none specific response coming in……3….2…..1….
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100%? (that was your recent claim)

Clueless.
 
Kicker4Life said:
IF the Vax PREVENTED transmission why are the vax’d spreading it? If the Vax PROVIDED immunity, why are the vax’d and boosted still catching it?

Why is the Vax population making up more of the Covid deaths than last year?

What otherREAL vaccines require a 2x’s per year booster shot to remain somewhat effective?

incoming dumbass,, none specific response coming in……3….2…..1….
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Because the vaccine reduces, but does not eliminate, the risk of transmission.

They do prison studies to measure it. Prisoners with a vaccinated cell mate are considerably less likely to catch Covid than prisoners with an unvaccinated cell mate.

This is why the medical community has moved on. The evidence is in. The vaccines work well but imperfectly. You can take your 84% reduction, or not.

But there is no point in using CAPS LOCK to tell us that the vaccine does nothing. It's just not true.
 
dad4 said:
Because the vaccine reduces, but does not eliminate, the risk of transmission.

They do prison studies to measure it. Prisoners with a vaccinated cell mate are considerably less likely to catch Covid than prisoners with an unvaccinated cell mate.

This is why the medical community has moved on. The evidence is in. The vaccines work well but imperfectly. You can take your 84% reduction, or not.

But there is no point in using CAPS LOCK to tell us that the vaccine does nothing. It's just not true.
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Sometimes he needs help seeing the context
 
Kicker4Life said:
Sometimes he needs help seeing the context
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So help me understand the context.

By now, you and I both know that the omicron booster reduces the transmission rate for omicron. Yet you keep repeating the same “doesn’t prevent transmission” talking point.

What gives? It’s like we both hear raindrops, but you keep saying that it never rains. Are we old men, and one of us needs to remind the other that this isn’t real rain, not like the pineapple express back in ‘62…
 
dad4 said:
So help me understand the context.

By now, you and I both know that the omicron booster reduces the transmission rate for omicron. Yet you keep repeating the same “doesn’t prevent transmission” talking point.

What gives? It’s like we both hear raindrops, but you keep saying that it never rains. Are we old men, and one of us needs to remind the other that this isn’t real rain, not like the pineapple express back in ‘62…
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See Magoo’s post below:

espola said:
So are you sticking with "It doesn't prevent transmission, it doesn't provide immunity" despite the statistics that say otherwise?
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I said it does not prevent either, am I wrong?

Yes or No?
 
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