Vaccine

[Mad Hatter]

"European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible.

Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said."

There seems to be more and more concern about this.

 

[Mad Hatter]

that “95%” was published in Dec of 2020….around the same time Fauci, Biden, Maddow and the rest of Team Vax are on record stating, “get your shot and the Virus stops with you”……how did that work out?

It is almost like willful blindness on his part.

 

[dad4]

that “95%” was published in Dec of 2020….around the same time Fauci, Biden, Maddow and the rest of Team Vax are on record stating, “get your shot and the Virus stops with you”……how did that work out?

By April estimates on the effectiveness were FAR lower. Even the Pfizer CEO admitted it was never tested against transmitting so how could anyone know it was going to have a 95% effectiveness level?

“The virus stops with you” was the baby version. You chose to quote the talking head version of reality, so don’t complain that you got the baby version. It’s what you were looking for.

If you want the adult version, it’s out there. I’m sure you can do a web search to find out estimates for transmission reduction due to vaccines. But it’s not going to be as simple as “stops with you” versus “does nothing.”. You’ll have to accept that it is going to vary by variant, by age, by number of shots, by time since the shot, by kind of shot, and so on. And, especially if you are looking at a time period with less testing, there will be wide error bars on it.

Or you can go back to whining that your baby version wasn’t 100% accurate.

 

[Mad Hatter]

And then you have the head of Moderna stating this...

Something that was obvious months into the whole covid panic...if one bothered to look at the numbers. Isn't there someone around here who claims to be a math guy?


Moderna's CEO admits only the vulnerable need a COVID booster and likens the virus to flu

• It should be treated more like flu, with only the vulnerable needing the shots
• He said it was 'very important to think about' whether or not to get a booster
• And it will be up to young people to 'decide for themselves what they want to do'

Moderna's CEO admits only the vulnerable need a Covid booster

The company's CEO Stéphane Bancel said his shots are mainly targeted at over-50s and people with underlying health conditions. His comments seem to be at odds with the CDC in the US.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Kicker4Life]

“The virus stops with you” was the baby version. You chose to quote the talking head version of reality, so don’t complain that you got the baby version. It’s what you were looking for.

If you want the adult version, it’s out there. I’m sure you can do a web search to find out estimates for transmission reduction due to vaccines. But it’s not going to be as simple as “stops with you” versus “does nothing.”. You’ll have to accept that it is going to vary by variant, by age, by number of shots, by time since the shot, by kind of shot, and so on. And, especially if you are looking at a time period with less testing, there will be wide error bars on it.

Or you can go back to whining that your baby version wasn’t 100% accurate.

Right….and who is living in the alternate reality?

 

[dad4]

Right….and who is living in the alternate reality?

The one who thinks vaccines should completely block transmission of all variants, even those which didn’t exist when the vaccine was created.

 

[Mad Hatter]

The one who thinks vaccines should completely block transmission of all variants, even those which didn’t exist when the vaccine was created.

I find it interesting that despite all we have learned since the beginning you still seem to be a big fan of...

Lockdowns
Masks
Vax mandates

Rather than realizing nothing was going to stop the virus and we would have been much better off had we treated it from the beginning like the flu.

 

[Kicker4Life]

The one who thinks vaccines should completely block transmission of all variants, even those which didn’t exist when the vaccine was created.

Exactly, we ALL said this wasn’t a Vaccine, it was more like a Flu shot because you can’t vaccinate your way out of a Respiratory Virus and we were ALL mocked for it. Now you’re saying what we said from the beginning and trying to call us out for it???

If you’re going to Mandate it, Ostracize those who questioned it (whom turned out to be right for doing so), fire people from their jobs for not taking it and never ask the Key people who “sold” it under false pretense to correct their statements all while banning and black balling people who spoke out against it under the pretense of spreading “false information” which later turned about to be true….YAH! It better be what you say it’s going to be, which it was not.

How many people still contract and spread Small Pox every year?

 

[dad4]

How many people still contract and spread Small Pox every year?

None. Smallpox was completely eradicated by a partially effective vaccine.

I get the impression that the above sentence makes no sense at all to you.

 

[espola]

Exactly, we ALL said this wasn’t a Vaccine, it was more like a Flu shot because you can’t vaccinate your way out of a Respiratory Virus and we were ALL mocked for it. Now you’re saying what we said from the beginning and trying to call us out for it???

If you’re going to Mandate it, Ostracize those who questioned it (whom turned out to be right for doing so), fire people from their jobs for not taking it and never ask the Key people who “sold” it under false pretense to correct their statements all while banning and black balling people who spoke out against it under the pretense of spreading “false information” which later turned about to be true….YAH! It better be what you say it’s going to be, which it was not.

How many people still contract and spread Small Pox every year?

Who is "ALL"?

What "false information" later turned out to be true? Please be specific..

 

[Mad Hatter]

None. Smallpox was completely eradicated by a partially effective vaccine.

Grasping at straws again.

"Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox infection in 95% of those vaccinated. In addition, the vaccine was proven to prevent or substantially lessen infection when given within a few days after a person was exposed to the variola virus."

Unfortunately the covid vax doesnt stop the spread nor prevent infection.

So outside of that your data is correct.

I chuckled when I saw you typed in partially effective vaccine.

 

[dad4]

Who is "ALL"?

Fall 2021, Kicker was arguing that "everyone can protect themselves by getting vaccinated, therefore we don't need to try to limit community spread.".

He wasn't just claiming it worked in general. He was claiming it was fool-proof on an individual level.

Now he wants to say he never believed it was really a vaccine.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Fall 2021, Kicker was arguing that "everyone can protect themselves by getting vaccinated, therefore we don't need to try to limit community spread.".

He wasn't just claiming it worked in general. He was claiming it was fool-proof on an individual level.

Now he wants to say he never believed it was really a vaccine.

If he said that, it was because that was what the authorities told us about the vax.

Later as we found out, they never tested to see if it stopped the spread. They just told us they did.

As the data came out and we say highly vaxed parts of the country with high mask usage having surges in infections it started to become apparent the vax didn't stop the spread. You though the issue wasnt the vax but with bars and restaurants being open and being the cause.

It is precisely the lies the authorities told the public is why today there is such low trust in what they now say.

Your opinion however seems to not have changed despite all the evidence going completely in the opposite direction of what you believe.

 

[Kicker4Life]

Fall 2021, Kicker was arguing that "everyone can protect themselves by getting vaccinated, therefore we don't need to try to limit community spread.".

He wasn't just claiming it worked in general. He was claiming it was fool-proof on an individual level.

Now he wants to say he never believed it was really a vaccine.

Please show the actual post……never have I waivered in my belief that this Vaxx is not, was not nor would ever be a true Vaccine (ie Small Pox)…..now you’re just making things up.

 

[dad4]

Please show the actual post……

911 pages is a lot to wade theough. Would it actually change anything if someone found it for you?

I’m guessing no.

 

[espola]

Please show the actual post……never have I waivered in my belief that this Vaxx is not, was not nor would ever be a true Vaccine (ie Small Pox)…..now you’re just making things up.

The only way it is not a "true vaccine" is because it is not derived from a disease of cows.

 

[Kicker4Life]

911 pages is a lot to wade theough. Would it actually change anything if someone found it for you?

I’m guessing no.

Proof you’re making shit up by spinning statements out of context…..

My point was and always has been, if your want the Vaxx get it, but it should have NEVER been mandated. My body my choice, remember. Then your counter was how selfish of a statement that was because we need to protect our neighbors (wrong again as it never stopped you from getting or spreading it to others)…..

Remember the “pandemic of the unvaccinated”. Another broadcast statement from
our leadership that turned out to be false.

 

[Kicker4Life]

The only way it is not a "true vaccine" is because it is not derived from a disease of cows.

No….but because it doesn’t do what a vaccine is supposed to do Quagmire….

 

[crush]

911 pages is a lot to wade theough. Would it actually change anything if someone found it for you?

I’m guessing no.

If you take out all the posts from crush, then it's only about 200 pages to go back and read. Kicker was always against mandates so I side with him. He has been crystal clear where he stands. Dad, your bad advice cost people their freedom, their jobs and in some cases, their lives. SADS is real and it's happening to high level athletes who took all jabs + boosters. These amazing sports gladiators were forced to take all jabs or not be allowed on the pitch, the court or the fields or the classrooms or the job site to get free education or make a living playing sport. Horrible!!! People like me and others like me were locked out of life because. You will go down as one of the biggest losers in this vaccine mandate debate or get fired because of the Certificate Of Vaccination I.D. 19 control shots that must obeyed with.

 

[dad4]

No….but because it doesn’t do what a vaccine is supposed to do Quagmire….

How so? The covid vaccine reduces the risk of infection, transmission, hospitalization, and death.

What is your standard for being willing to call something a vaccine?

Don’t tell me a vaccine needs to completely “stop” all transmission. Even the smallpox shot didn’t do that.