Vaccine

Mad Hatter said:
By the way...@dad liked the Chinese plan.

Now that they have given up on covid zero they virus is spreading like wildfire through the population. Hospitals, etc are overflowing.

They would have been past this long ago had they just realized you cannot stop a respiratory virus. One might say their lockdowns created harm and just postponed the inevitable.

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One-day tally of COVID cases in China hits 37 million: Report

The latest figures deviate significantly from official data sparking concerns over China’s transparency on the issue.
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Some projections are saying a million dead by the time their waves are over. Pictures coming out of the hospitals and morgues full. 3 years of the harshest lockdowns on the planet and they did it all for nothing. Those mandatory masks are also really helping.

it’s the final bankruptcy of covidian policy. They can stare at their failure and be aghast at their hubris but we all know they won’t learn anything.
 
Grace T. said:
Some projections are saying a million dead by the time their waves are over. Pictures coming out of the hospitals and morgues full. 3 years of the harshest lockdowns on the planet and they did it all for nothing. Those mandatory masks are also really helping.

it’s the final bankruptcy of covidian policy. They can stare at their failure and be aghast at their hubris but we all know they won’t learn anything.
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True. It's never been about learning. It's been about fear and power. The worst part is that as big of a failure of leadership that we experienced w.r.t. handling the virus, it pales in comparison to the long-term damage the enforcement of the policies caused in terms of the trust lost in our government and the agencies responsible for protecting us.
 
I see that most of you are finally waking up. My best Lib pal is now pissed off for being played. My other pals are dead and cant get pissed off but their kids are mad as hell. Why did they go to such levels as to lie and deceive us? Why is the critical Q of the day. I love you and risked EVERYTHING to warn you. I lost frens and means to earn a living to speak out.

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Kicker4Life said:
Yes…proper ventilation is better than masks.

Have you historically gotten the flu every year?

If we’ve learned anything from Covid it’s that you can’t hide from viruses
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You claim you “can’t hide from viruses“.

Did you get the flu in 2020-21? How about 21-22?

Pay attention. Most of California successfully “hid“ from the flu and common cold for a good two years.
 
espola said:
Correlation does not prove causation.

Of course, if you can prove that, nominate yourself for a Nobel Prize in Medicine.
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Kicker has a valid point. We did get 2-3 years worth of initial RSV infections, all crammed into one year. And it was a downside of distance and masking.

It's just not a large enough point to draw his conclusion. Even counting the spike, annual deaths from RSV are about 2% of annual deaths from Covid. We could rewrite our Covid policy to avoid RSV spikes, but that's really letting the tail wag the dog.

It's a low stakes version of what China is going through. Take the lid off, and cases expand. Not a huge deal when it's RSV. Pretty brutal when it's Covid and your elderly are unvaccinated / poorly vaccinated.
 
dad4 said:
Kicker has a valid point. We did get 2-3 years worth of initial RSV infections, all crammed into one year. And it was a downside of distance and masking.

It's just not a large enough point to draw his conclusion. Even counting the spike, annual deaths from RSV are about 2% of annual deaths from Covid. We could rewrite our Covid policy to avoid RSV spikes, but that's really letting the tail wag the dog.

It's a low stakes version of what China is going through. Take the lid off, and cases expand. Not a huge deal when it's RSV. Pretty brutal when it's Covid and your elderly are unvaccinated / poorly vaccinated.
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I do point out that rsv kills anywhere from 100-300 children in a regular year which makes it a bigger problem in kids than the Covid death rate, particularly among young kids. So if we care about the young (who have a lot more years of life than the elderly being affected post-vaccine) it wouldn’t really be tail wagging the dog.

I also point out that there are a staggering 150,000 hospitalizations for rsv every year, the vast majority of them pediatric. If you care about hospital capacity (which was a key tenet of your preaching early on) that would also suggest avoiding these bubble years is a good idea

iirc an mRNA rsv vaccine is in the works. Sadly even if they do their long term testing like they did for the varicella vaccine (a sore spot for me since I came down with life threatening chicken pox in my 20s a year shy of the vaccine being approved in the us and a few years after eu approval) I doubt there will be many takers after the Covid vaccine fiascos.
 
Grace T. said:
I do point out that rsv kills anywhere from 100-300 children in a regular year which makes it a bigger problem in kids than the Covid death rate, particularly among young kids. So if we care about the young (who have a lot more years of life than the elderly being affected post-vaccine) it wouldn’t really be tail wagging the dog.

I also point out that there are a staggering 150,000 hospitalizations for rsv every year, the vast majority of them pediatric. If you care about hospital capacity (which was a key tenet of your preaching early on) that would also suggest avoiding these bubble years is a good idea

iirc an mRNA rsv vaccine is in the works. Sadly even if they do their long term testing like they did for the varicella vaccine (a sore spot for me since I came down with life threatening chicken pox in my 20s a year shy of the vaccine being approved in the us and a few years after eu approval) I doubt there will be many takers after the Covid vaccine fiascos.
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Welcome back sister. Go get em :)
 
So, how long until one of you libertarians figures out that ventilation upgrades are just one more example of something that might be mandated?

They’re just one more example of something with a private cost and a public health benefit. Same as masks and vaccines. Or sewers, for that matter.
 
dad4 said:
So, how long until one of you libertarians figures out that ventilation upgrades are just one more example of something that might be mandated?

They’re just one more example of something with a private cost and a public health benefit. Same as masks and vaccines. Or sewers, for that matter.
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I read somewhere that ancient sewers are the earliest signs of a proper civilization. In my lifetime I have seen sewers advance from a ditch or pipe that just dumped the waste downstream from town to high-tech plants that produce drinkable water as a byproduct.
 
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