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Desert Hound said:
Climate change has always happened. The earth has never had one stable temperature.

The earth has been far cooler and far warmer...and all without human intervention.

Many scientists talk about how the press and politicians over hype this. They take the executive summary of the IPCC reports and run with that. They overlook the fact that the actual report does not talk about catastrophic warming. The exec summary takes the worst possible case scenarios and implies that is what the consensus of reports in the IPCC conclude. In fact they (the scenarios) talk about a variety of possible outcomes (all uncertain).

Many scientists ( who believe in warming) talk about using tech to deal with anything in the future...rather than making decision based on the idea of catastrophic warming. We are rather resilient.
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You hit the key point, at least -- "human intervention". The Earth's climate has never before been subject to an influence as pervasive as ours.
 
watfly said:
Funny thing is those that believe in catastrophic warming, their initiatives are akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic (maybe not the best analogy to use today). Let's be perfectly honest, the only way to lessen humans' impact on the environment, if the situation is as severe as they say, would be to limit human reproduction. Anything else would just be window dressing and virtue signaling.

Fortunately, it not as dire as the climate cult claims and like you said climate has changed through the history of the earth with or without humans. It's just that now science has become so arrogant it thinks its ideas can prevent climate change (just like they thought their ideas could stop Covid).

IMO I think the best thing we could do now for our environment would be to move to nuclear energy. Clean, safe, efficient and requires a very small footprint as compared to renewables.
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We can either limit the human population voluntarily or allow it to happen by crisis.
 
watfly said:
IMO I think the best thing we could do now for our environment would be to move to nuclear energy. Clean, safe, efficient and requires a very small footprint as compared to renewables.
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The funny thing is...those people that say we MUST ACT NOW and reduce / eliminate fossil fuels refuse to ramp up nuclear power. You know the source of energy that is reliable, endless and has no greenhouse gas emissions.

And yet they fight against that option despite saying action MUST BE TAKEN NOW!!
 
espola said:
You hit the key point, at least -- "human intervention". The Earth's climate has never before been subject to an influence as pervasive as ours.
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Funny that comment.

So in the past the climate around the globe has fluctuated wildly. Being vastly colder and vastly warmer countless times throughout Earths history. None of those events were due to human activity and none of them caused global catastrophe. This is the normal variation of the Earths climate.

And so we have normal cycles...and yet people think THIS time it is different? And this time if it gets warmer it will be a disaster?

Why didnt we have runaway global warming in the past when the Earth got a lot warmer? Hint it didn't. It is a cycle.

If humans were not around in the past and yet the Earth got warmer the most likely explanation to variations in climate would be a naturally occurring oscillation.

Our current models cannot even predict climate a decade or so out. When you look back at predications by these models over the decades they are wrong. And yet our politicians act like these should be trusted and warming is some anomaly and as such we should radically restructure our lifestyles.
 
espola said:
We can either limit the human population voluntarily or allow it to happen by crisis.
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You buy into the hype. Just like the experts who hyped the risks of covid.

Goverments have bought into the climate crisis. The provide billions in funding to people who toe the official line. If you produce studies showing things contrary to the "conventional wisdom" your funding dries up. So guess what type of things get published?
 
Desert Hound said:
Funny that comment.

So in the past the climate around the globe has fluctuated wildly. Being vastly colder and vastly warmer countless times throughout Earths history. None of those events were due to human activity and none of them caused global catastrophe. This is the normal variation of the Earths climate.

And so we have normal cycles...and yet people think THIS time it is different? And this time if it gets warmer it will be a disaster?

Why didnt we have runaway global warming in the past when the Earth got a lot warmer? Hint it didn't. It is a cycle.

If humans were not around in the past and yet the Earth got warmer the most likely explanation to variations in climate would be a naturally occurring oscillation.

Our current models cannot even predict climate a decade or so out. When you look back at predications by these models over the decades they are wrong. And yet our politicians act like these should be trusted and warming is some anomaly and as such we should radically restructure our lifestyles.
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In which cycle (how many years ago) did the Earth warm up as quickly as it is doing now?
 
watfly said:
He also bought into the hype of Hunter's laptop as Russian disinformation because 50 "intelligence experts" said so.
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espola said:
I don't recall posting anything like that. Could you show me where I did?
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Since all you did was laugh at my request, does that mean you have nothing?

As long as we are on the topic of Hunter's laptop, does anyone know if its contents figured in his plea bargain deal?
 
Kicker4Life said:
Thanks for helping make the argument. Our “recorded history“ covers something like .00000001% of the earths know existance.
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Maybe you should ask Desert Hound where he got his evidence for this statement --

So in the past the climate around the globe has fluctuated wildly. Being vastly colder and vastly warmer countless times throughout Earths history. None of those events were due to human activity and none of them caused global catastrophe. This is the normal variation of the Earths climate.

According to your point, it can't be from "recorded history".
 
espola said:
Maybe you should ask Desert Hound where he got his evidence for this statement --

So in the past the climate around the globe has fluctuated wildly. Being vastly colder and vastly warmer countless times throughout Earths history. None of those events were due to human activity and none of them caused global catastrophe. This is the normal variation of the Earths climate.

According to your point, it can't be from "recorded history".
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This might help, if you read it carefully --

Volcanic carbon dioxide drove ancient global warming event | University of Southampton

New research, led by the University of Southampton and involving a team of international scientists, suggests that an extreme global warming event 56 million years ago was driven by massive CO2 emissions from volcanoes, during the formation of the North Atlantic Ocean.
www.southampton.ac.uk www.southampton.ac.uk
 
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