Vaccine

dad4 said:
You're not even the first to play this game. There were plenty of people in the 1800s who were certain that mandatory sewer connections would never do anything to stop cholera. They even had doctors and out of date scientific articles explaining why sewers would never work.

Same thing happened with the smallpox vaccine. Right down to vaccine mandates and the claim that "only a small segment of the population really needs it".
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Clinging to straws I see. Consistent in your religious belief.

Sewers vs masks. Sewers work. Masks dont.

So your analogy doesnt work there.

Small pox vax vs covid. One worked at both preventing the disease and stopping the spread. The other does not.

You analogy fails again.

I wish the vax prevented the spread. It doesn't. I wish it stopped people from getting infected. It doesn't. For the very vulnerable it does lessen the affects of the virus and that is good.

That is vastly different from the smallpox vax.

That reality also completely washes away the rationale for mandating the vax which you are a big fan of.
 
Mad Hatter said:
Clinging to straws I see. Consistent in your religious belief.

Sewers vs masks. Sewers work. Masks dont.

So your analogy doesnt work there.

Small pox vax vs covid. One worked at both preventing the disease and stopping the spread. The other does not.

You analogy fails again.

I wish the vax prevented the spread. It doesn't. I wish it stopped people from getting infected. It doesn't. For the very vulnerable it does lessen the affects of the virus and that is good.

That is vastly different from the smallpox vax.

That reality also completely washes away the rationale for mandating the vax which you are a big fan of.
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Wait. You think the smallpox vax "stopped" all infection and "prevented" all disease?

It was never above 95% effective, and the immunity faded with time. Just like every other vaccine.
 
Mad Hatter said:
Clinging to straws I see. Consistent in your religious belief.

Sewers vs masks. Sewers work. Masks dont.

So your analogy doesnt work there.

Small pox vax vs covid. One worked at both preventing the disease and stopping the spread. The other does not.

You analogy fails again.

I wish the vax prevented the spread. It doesn't. I wish it stopped people from getting infected. It doesn't. For the very vulnerable it does lessen the affects of the virus and that is good.

That is vastly different from the smallpox vax.

That reality also completely washes away the rationale for mandating the vax which you are a big fan of.
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Your desperate denial reminds me of Monty Python's Black Knight -- "Just a flesh wound".
 
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The new Omicron subvariant XBB.1.5 has hit our shores. What you must know now
The XBB mutation accounts for almost 41% of confirmed COVID-19 cases nationwide

I heard another radio ad pushing boosters yesterday and to wear a mask when you feel sick and your just out and about. My advice ((I am not a doctor so take with a grain of salt and your fav shot)) when your feeling flu like symptoms; keep your ass at home, close your freaking bedroom door, take the many combat flu killer medicines that is best for you and then sleep it off, alone and away from others. Wash hands all the time, drink lots of water and live the BRAT way. Don't go out in public and be a super hero wearing your mask for all to see how virtuous you are.
 
Kicker4Life said:
And the Covid shot’s effectiveness was?????
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NFL Live last night showed US all the lack of effectiveness. Plus the fact my best pals WHO took the poison are the one's getting sick all the time and some have died from widow attacks. I know I am full of you know what to you, but my eyes saw what I saw last night and in all my my 50+ years of being a Steelers fan, big time NFL fan, Super fan of Monday Night Football and the Super Bowl, I never saw what I saw last night, ever! I pray for all of US right now. I played the Monday Night Football Theme Song on my wedding Day for the Groomsman to come out of the shadows and this does not look good. What many of our brave men & women football/futbol players had to inject in their bodies to be eligible is insane and it needs to stop, like now!!!
 
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Kicker4Life said:
And the Covid shot’s effectiveness was?????
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Original mRNA shot was 95%.

www.nejm.org

Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine | NEJM

Original Article from The New England Journal of Medicine — Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine
www.nejm.org

Omicron booster, against omicron, was 84%.

www.yalemedicine.org

The Omicron Booster: Your Questions Answered

Yale Medicine infectious diseases doctors discuss the new Omicron-specific COVID-19 booster.
www.yalemedicine.org www.yalemedicine.org

Did you want your 2021 shot to block 2023 variants? Yeah, me too. No such luck. If you want immunizations to work right, keep them up to date.
 
dad4 said:
Original mRNA shot was 95%.

www.nejm.org

Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine | NEJM

Original Article from The New England Journal of Medicine — Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine
www.nejm.org

Omicron booster, against omicron, was 84%.

www.yalemedicine.org

The Omicron Booster: Your Questions Answered

Yale Medicine infectious diseases doctors discuss the new Omicron-specific COVID-19 booster.
www.yalemedicine.org www.yalemedicine.org

Did you want your 2021 shot to block 2023 variants? Yeah, me too. No such luck. If you want immunizations to work right, keep them up to date.
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dad4 said:
It was never above 95% effective, and the immunity faded with time.
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Now compare that with the covid vax that wasnt effective at all at stopping the spread OR and does not prevent vaxxed people from getting it.

Or compare that vs how covid only affects a relatively small population and how most people have little to no risk even when exposed to the virus...vs the risk that smallpox had to the population as whole.

It shouldnt even be a debate...except for those still clinging to the straws they so fervently believed was and are true.
 
dad4 said:
Did you want your 2021 shot to block 2023 variants? Yeah, me too. No such luck. If you want immunizations to work right, keep them up to date.
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The problem with this is...in theory keeping up to date require 2-4 shots a year.

And increasingly scientists and doctors are worried that is too much.

The info/data that keeps coming out is going in the wrong direction of those who want multiple boosters each year.

There have been no LONG term studies done on the vaxxes or doing multiple boosters each year.
 
dad4 said:
Original mRNA shot was 95%.

www.nejm.org

Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine | NEJM

Original Article from The New England Journal of Medicine — Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine
www.nejm.org

Omicron booster, against omicron, was 84%.

www.yalemedicine.org

The Omicron Booster: Your Questions Answered

Yale Medicine infectious diseases doctors discuss the new Omicron-specific COVID-19 booster.
www.yalemedicine.org www.yalemedicine.org

Did you want your 2021 shot to block 2023 variants? Yeah, me too. No such luck. If you want immunizations to work right, keep them up to date.
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that “95%” was published in Dec of 2020….around the same time Fauci, Biden, Maddow and the rest of Team Vax are on record stating, “get your shot and the Virus stops with you”……how did that work out?

By April estimates on the effectiveness were FAR lower. Even the Pfizer CEO admitted it was never tested against transmitting so how could anyone know it was going to have a 95% effectiveness level?
 
"European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible.

Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said."

There seems to be more and more concern about this.
 
Kicker4Life said:
that “95%” was published in Dec of 2020….around the same time Fauci, Biden, Maddow and the rest of Team Vax are on record stating, “get your shot and the Virus stops with you”……how did that work out?

By April estimates on the effectiveness were FAR lower. Even the Pfizer CEO admitted it was never tested against transmitting so how could anyone know it was going to have a 95% effectiveness level?
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“The virus stops with you” was the baby version. You chose to quote the talking head version of reality, so don’t complain that you got the baby version. It’s what you were looking for.

If you want the adult version, it’s out there. I’m sure you can do a web search to find out estimates for transmission reduction due to vaccines. But it’s not going to be as simple as “stops with you” versus “does nothing.”. You’ll have to accept that it is going to vary by variant, by age, by number of shots, by time since the shot, by kind of shot, and so on. And, especially if you are looking at a time period with less testing, there will be wide error bars on it.

Or you can go back to whining that your baby version wasn’t 100% accurate.
 
And then you have the head of Moderna stating this...

Something that was obvious months into the whole covid panic...if one bothered to look at the numbers. Isn't there someone around here who claims to be a math guy?


Moderna's CEO admits only the vulnerable need a COVID booster and likens the virus to flu
  • It should be treated more like flu, with only the vulnerable needing the shots
  • He said it was 'very important to think about' whether or not to get a booster
  • And it will be up to young people to 'decide for themselves what they want to do'
www.dailymail.co.uk

Moderna's CEO admits only the vulnerable need a Covid booster

The company's CEO Stéphane Bancel said his shots are mainly targeted at over-50s and people with underlying health conditions. His comments seem to be at odds with the CDC in the US.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
dad4 said:
“The virus stops with you” was the baby version. You chose to quote the talking head version of reality, so don’t complain that you got the baby version. It’s what you were looking for.

If you want the adult version, it’s out there. I’m sure you can do a web search to find out estimates for transmission reduction due to vaccines. But it’s not going to be as simple as “stops with you” versus “does nothing.”. You’ll have to accept that it is going to vary by variant, by age, by number of shots, by time since the shot, by kind of shot, and so on. And, especially if you are looking at a time period with less testing, there will be wide error bars on it.

Or you can go back to whining that your baby version wasn’t 100% accurate.
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Right….and who is living in the alternate reality?
 
dad4 said:
The one who thinks vaccines should completely block transmission of all variants, even those which didn’t exist when the vaccine was created.
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I find it interesting that despite all we have learned since the beginning you still seem to be a big fan of...

Lockdowns
Masks
Vax mandates

Rather than realizing nothing was going to stop the virus and we would have been much better off had we treated it from the beginning like the flu.
 
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