Vaccine

I see that most of you are finally waking up. My best Lib pal is now pissed off for being played. My other pals are dead and cant get pissed off but their kids are mad as hell. Why did they go to such levels as to lie and deceive us? Why is the critical Q of the day. I love you and risked EVERYTHING to warn you. I lost frens and means to earn a living to speak out.

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Yes…proper ventilation is better than masks.

Have you historically gotten the flu every year?

If we’ve learned anything from Covid it’s that you can’t hide from viruses
You claim you “can’t hide from viruses“.

Did you get the flu in 2020-21? How about 21-22?

Pay attention. Most of California successfully “hid“ from the flu and common cold for a good two years.
 
Correlation does not prove causation.

Of course, if you can prove that, nominate yourself for a Nobel Prize in Medicine.
Kicker has a valid point. We did get 2-3 years worth of initial RSV infections, all crammed into one year. And it was a downside of distance and masking.

It's just not a large enough point to draw his conclusion. Even counting the spike, annual deaths from RSV are about 2% of annual deaths from Covid. We could rewrite our Covid policy to avoid RSV spikes, but that's really letting the tail wag the dog.

It's a low stakes version of what China is going through. Take the lid off, and cases expand. Not a huge deal when it's RSV. Pretty brutal when it's Covid and your elderly are unvaccinated / poorly vaccinated.
 
Kicker has a valid point. We did get 2-3 years worth of initial RSV infections, all crammed into one year. And it was a downside of distance and masking.

It's just not a large enough point to draw his conclusion. Even counting the spike, annual deaths from RSV are about 2% of annual deaths from Covid. We could rewrite our Covid policy to avoid RSV spikes, but that's really letting the tail wag the dog.

It's a low stakes version of what China is going through. Take the lid off, and cases expand. Not a huge deal when it's RSV. Pretty brutal when it's Covid and your elderly are unvaccinated / poorly vaccinated.
I do point out that rsv kills anywhere from 100-300 children in a regular year which makes it a bigger problem in kids than the Covid death rate, particularly among young kids. So if we care about the young (who have a lot more years of life than the elderly being affected post-vaccine) it wouldn’t really be tail wagging the dog.

I also point out that there are a staggering 150,000 hospitalizations for rsv every year, the vast majority of them pediatric. If you care about hospital capacity (which was a key tenet of your preaching early on) that would also suggest avoiding these bubble years is a good idea

iirc an mRNA rsv vaccine is in the works. Sadly even if they do their long term testing like they did for the varicella vaccine (a sore spot for me since I came down with life threatening chicken pox in my 20s a year shy of the vaccine being approved in the us and a few years after eu approval) I doubt there will be many takers after the Covid vaccine fiascos.
 
I do point out that rsv kills anywhere from 100-300 children in a regular year which makes it a bigger problem in kids than the Covid death rate, particularly among young kids. So if we care about the young (who have a lot more years of life than the elderly being affected post-vaccine) it wouldn’t really be tail wagging the dog.

I also point out that there are a staggering 150,000 hospitalizations for rsv every year, the vast majority of them pediatric. If you care about hospital capacity (which was a key tenet of your preaching early on) that would also suggest avoiding these bubble years is a good idea

iirc an mRNA rsv vaccine is in the works. Sadly even if they do their long term testing like they did for the varicella vaccine (a sore spot for me since I came down with life threatening chicken pox in my 20s a year shy of the vaccine being approved in the us and a few years after eu approval) I doubt there will be many takers after the Covid vaccine fiascos.
Welcome back sister. Go get em :)
 
So, how long until one of you libertarians figures out that ventilation upgrades are just one more example of something that might be mandated?

They’re just one more example of something with a private cost and a public health benefit. Same as masks and vaccines. Or sewers, for that matter.
 
So, how long until one of you libertarians figures out that ventilation upgrades are just one more example of something that might be mandated?

They’re just one more example of something with a private cost and a public health benefit. Same as masks and vaccines. Or sewers, for that matter.
I read somewhere that ancient sewers are the earliest signs of a proper civilization. In my lifetime I have seen sewers advance from a ditch or pipe that just dumped the waste downstream from town to high-tech plants that produce drinkable water as a byproduct.
 
I read somewhere that ancient sewers are the earliest signs of a proper civilization. In my lifetime I have seen sewers advance from a ditch or pipe that just dumped the waste downstream from town to high-tech plants that produce drinkable water as a byproduct.

In your " Lifetime "....

You've posted continuously that you were raised in the North East....

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I think you're full of " Crap ".....
 
They’re just one more example of something with a private cost and a public health benefit. Same as masks and vaccines.
No.

Masks dont work.

Mandating a vax is pointless as well. It doesn't stop the spread of the virus which in theory is the reason to mandate a vax. And furthermore only a small segment of the population really needs it.

We also keep seeing more things to not like about side affects from the various versions of the vax.

Europe realizes there is no benefit having kids get vaxxed and they ( a growing number of them) actively recommend not getting it.

And for some strange reason our CDC wants kids to get vaxxed.

The more info that comes out...the worse shutdowns, school closures, manding vaxxes etc look to be.
 
I read somewhere that ancient sewers are the earliest signs of a proper civilization. In my lifetime I have seen sewers advance from a ditch or pipe that just dumped the waste downstream from town to high-tech plants that produce drinkable water as a byproduct.
I was thinking more recently, when London forced all landlords to pay huge assessments to pay for creating a sewer system to fight cholera. I can imagine the complaints against the clearly unfair government mandate:

“Why should I pay 500 pounds to connect my building to the sewer?“. “Those who want sewers can get sewers.”. “Cholera will do what it wants. Pipes in the ground aren’t won’t stop it.”.

The anti-sewer crowd even had a list of well respected doctors who calmly (but wrongly) explained that cholera was spread by the airborne miasma in overcrowded slums.
I do point out that rsv kills anywhere from 100-300 children in a regular year which makes it a bigger problem in kids than the Covid death rate, particularly among young kids. So if we care about the young (who have a lot more years of life than the elderly being affected post-vaccine) it wouldn’t really be tail wagging the dog.

I also point out that there are a staggering 150,000 hospitalizations for rsv every year, the vast majority of them pediatric. If you care about hospital capacity (which was a key tenet of your preaching early on) that would also suggest avoiding these bubble years is a good idea

iirc an mRNA rsv vaccine is in the works. Sadly even if they do their long term testing like they did for the varicella vaccine (a sore spot for me since I came down with life threatening chicken pox in my 20s a year shy of the vaccine being approved in the us and a few years after eu approval) I doubt there will be many takers after the Covid vaccine fiascos.
You’re having trouble with questions of scale.

There were 36.2 million hospital admissions in 2019. 150,000 per year is not “staggering”. It's about 0.4% of all hospitalizations.

150,000 hospitalizations is also pretty close to a bad winter week of post-pandemic covid. (153K for the week of Jan 15, 2022 )
 
No.

Masks dont work.

Mandating a vax is pointless as well. It doesn't stop the spread of the virus which in theory is the reason to mandate a vax. And furthermore only a small segment of the population really needs it.

We also keep seeing more things to not like about side affects from the various versions of the vax.

Europe realizes there is no benefit having kids get vaxxed and they ( a growing number of them) actively recommend not getting it.

And for some strange reason our CDC wants kids to get vaxxed.

The more info that comes out...the worse shutdowns, school closures, manding vaxxes etc look to be.
You're not even the first to play this game. There were plenty of people in the 1800s who were certain that mandatory sewer connections would never do anything to stop cholera. They even had doctors and out of date scientific articles explaining why sewers would never work.

Same thing happened with the smallpox vaccine. Right down to vaccine mandates and the claim that "only a small segment of the population really needs it".

We get this every time there is a need for a public health measure. There are some fools who just don't want to do it, and those people parrot anyone willing to tell them what they want to hear.
 
I was thinking more recently, when London forced all landlords to pay huge assessments to pay for creating a sewer system to fight cholera. I can imagine the complaints against the clearly unfair government mandate:

“Why should I pay 500 pounds to connect my building to the sewer?“. “Those who want sewers can get sewers.”. “Cholera will do what it wants. Pipes in the ground aren’t won’t stop it.”.

The anti-sewer crowd even had a list of well respected doctors who calmly (but wrongly) explained that cholera was spread by the airborne miasma in overcrowded slums.

You’re having trouble with questions of scale.

There were 36.2 million hospital admissions in 2019. 150,000 per year is not “staggering”. It's about 0.4% of all hospitalizations.

150,000 hospitalizations is also pretty close to a bad winter week of post-pandemic covid. (153K for the week of Jan 15, 2022 )
The London sewers were a great improvement over the previous technology (open ditches and backyard privies), but they still just dumped the untreated sewage in the Thames sufficiently downstream from London that it would not be carried back up by the tides.
 
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