Vaccine

dad4 said:
The one who thinks vaccines should completely block transmission of all variants, even those which didn’t exist when the vaccine was created.
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Exactly, we ALL said this wasn’t a Vaccine, it was more like a Flu shot because you can’t vaccinate your way out of a Respiratory Virus and we were ALL mocked for it. Now you’re saying what we said from the beginning and trying to call us out for it???

If you’re going to Mandate it, Ostracize those who questioned it (whom turned out to be right for doing so), fire people from their jobs for not taking it and never ask the Key people who “sold” it under false pretense to correct their statements all while banning and black balling people who spoke out against it under the pretense of spreading “false information” which later turned about to be true….YAH! It better be what you say it’s going to be, which it was not.

How many people still contract and spread Small Pox every year?
 
Kicker4Life said:
Exactly, we ALL said this wasn’t a Vaccine, it was more like a Flu shot because you can’t vaccinate your way out of a Respiratory Virus and we were ALL mocked for it. Now you’re saying what we said from the beginning and trying to call us out for it???

If you’re going to Mandate it, Ostracize those who questioned it (whom turned out to be right for doing so), fire people from their jobs for not taking it and never ask the Key people who “sold” it under false pretense to correct their statements all while banning and black balling people who spoke out against it under the pretense of spreading “false information” which later turned about to be true….YAH! It better be what you say it’s going to be, which it was not.

How many people still contract and spread Small Pox every year?
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Who is "ALL"?

What "false information" later turned out to be true? Please be specific..
 
dad4 said:
None. Smallpox was completely eradicated by a partially effective vaccine.
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Grasping at straws again.

"Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox infection in 95% of those vaccinated. In addition, the vaccine was proven to prevent or substantially lessen infection when given within a few days after a person was exposed to the variola virus."

Unfortunately the covid vax doesnt stop the spread nor prevent infection.

So outside of that your data is correct.

I chuckled when I saw you typed in partially effective vaccine.
 
espola said:
Who is "ALL"?
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Fall 2021, Kicker was arguing that "everyone can protect themselves by getting vaccinated, therefore we don't need to try to limit community spread.".

He wasn't just claiming it worked in general. He was claiming it was fool-proof on an individual level.

Now he wants to say he never believed it was really a vaccine.
 
dad4 said:
Fall 2021, Kicker was arguing that "everyone can protect themselves by getting vaccinated, therefore we don't need to try to limit community spread.".

He wasn't just claiming it worked in general. He was claiming it was fool-proof on an individual level.

Now he wants to say he never believed it was really a vaccine.
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If he said that, it was because that was what the authorities told us about the vax.

Later as we found out, they never tested to see if it stopped the spread. They just told us they did.

As the data came out and we say highly vaxed parts of the country with high mask usage having surges in infections it started to become apparent the vax didn't stop the spread. You though the issue wasnt the vax but with bars and restaurants being open and being the cause.

It is precisely the lies the authorities told the public is why today there is such low trust in what they now say.

Your opinion however seems to not have changed despite all the evidence going completely in the opposite direction of what you believe.
 
dad4 said:
Fall 2021, Kicker was arguing that "everyone can protect themselves by getting vaccinated, therefore we don't need to try to limit community spread.".

He wasn't just claiming it worked in general. He was claiming it was fool-proof on an individual level.

Now he wants to say he never believed it was really a vaccine.
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Please show the actual post……never have I waivered in my belief that this Vaxx is not, was not nor would ever be a true Vaccine (ie Small Pox)…..now you’re just making things up.
 
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dad4 said:
911 pages is a lot to wade theough. Would it actually change anything if someone found it for you?

I’m guessing no.
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Proof you’re making shit up by spinning statements out of context…..

My point was and always has been, if your want the Vaxx get it, but it should have NEVER been mandated. My body my choice, remember. Then your counter was how selfish of a statement that was because we need to protect our neighbors (wrong again as it never stopped you from getting or spreading it to others)…..

Remember the “pandemic of the unvaccinated”. Another broadcast statement from
our leadership that turned out to be false.
 
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dad4 said:
911 pages is a lot to wade theough. Would it actually change anything if someone found it for you?

I’m guessing no.
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If you take out all the posts from crush, then it's only about 200 pages to go back and read. Kicker was always against mandates so I side with him. He has been crystal clear where he stands. Dad, your bad advice cost people their freedom, their jobs and in some cases, their lives. SADS is real and it's happening to high level athletes who took all jabs + boosters. These amazing sports gladiators were forced to take all jabs or not be allowed on the pitch, the court or the fields or the classrooms or the job site to get free education or make a living playing sport. Horrible!!! People like me and others like me were locked out of life because. You will go down as one of the biggest losers in this vaccine mandate debate or get fired because of the Certificate Of Vaccination I.D. 19 control shots that must obeyed with.
 
Kicker4Life said:
No….but because it doesn’t do what a vaccine is supposed to do Quagmire….
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How so? The covid vaccine reduces the risk of infection, transmission, hospitalization, and death.

What is your standard for being willing to call something a vaccine?

Don’t tell me a vaccine needs to completely “stop” all transmission. Even the smallpox shot didn’t do that.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Proof you’re making shit up by spinning statements out of context…..

My point was and always has been, if your want the Vaxx get it, but it should have NEVER been mandated. My body my choice, remember. Then your counter was how selfish of a statement that was because we need to protect our neighbors (wrong again as it never stopped you from getting or spreading it to others)…..

Remember the “pandemic of the unvaccinated”. Another broadcast statement from
our leadership that turned out to be false.
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That’s my point. You are consistent in that you want to end mandates.

Then the facts change to follow your principles. When you needed an argument against masks and indoor dining bans, you were happy to argue that the vaccine was so great that we could abandon all other covid containment measures. When you needed an argument against vaccine requirements, all of a sudden the vaccine was so bad it wasn’t a vaccine anymore.

The quality of the vaccine seems to depend on which mandate you are opposing. If you are opposing a vaccine mandate, then you will say the vaccine stinks. If you are opposing NPI mandates, you will say the vaccine is all you need.
 
dad4 said:
How so? The covid vaccine reduces the risk of infection, transmission, hospitalization, and death.

What is your standard for being willing to call something a vaccine?

Don’t tell me a vaccine needs to completely “stop” all transmission. Even the smallpox shot didn’t do that.
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dude dad - you are still kicking this can? still on this bandwagon, crazy! Remember that one time at band camp when we vaccinated everyone against polio and small pox and cases soared? Remember that?

mRNA is killing the vaccine vibe.
 
dad4 said:
That’s my point. You are consistent in that you want to end mandates.

Then the facts change to follow your principles. When you needed an argument against masks and indoor dining bans, you were happy to argue that the vaccine was so great that we could abandon all other covid containment measures. When you needed an argument against vaccine requirements, all of a sudden the vaccine was so bad it wasn’t a vaccine anymore.

The quality of the vaccine seems to depend on which mandate you are opposing. If you are opposing a vaccine mandate, then you will say the vaccine stinks. If you are opposing NPI mandates, you will say the vaccine is all you need.
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the "vaccine" stinks. Why mandate a crappy product that doesn't work as advertised? has always been gibberish spin.
 
dad4 said:
When you needed an argument against masks and indoor dining bans, you were happy to argue that the vaccine was so great that we could abandon all other covid containment measures. When you needed an argument against vaccine requirements, all of a sudden the vaccine was so bad it wasn’t a vaccine anymore.
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Nope….it’s all in your head….I’ve never waivered.
 
dad4 said:
That’s my point. You are consistent in that you want to end mandates.
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Many of us are.

The vax....
Doesnt stop the spread of the virus
Doesnt prevent one from getting infected.

Those 2 facts render the argument for mandates null and void.

Then factor in the fact that people wanted to mandate a vax that had no long term studies done. That is unethical at a min.
 
Masks reduce risk of transmission when worn properly. Lockdowns and social distancing measures reduce risk of transmission. These saved lives until effective vaccines could be introduced, which further saved lives by the severity of the virus. These are indisputable facts. They are why AZ has the highest overall Covid death rate of any state and about twice that of CA, which is 41st. If CA had followed AZ's stupid policies, that would have been another 100,000 Covid deaths at least, and probably more given CA's much higher urban densities. Even NY, which had to deal with the worst of the virus before any effective prevention and treatment existed, now has only the 15th highest overall Covid death rate, which is further proof that the combination of masks, social distancing and vaccines helped tremendously.

Now that it would be embarrassing for the anti-vax/mask/social distancing idiots to AZ, NY and CA as proof of anything they support, they're pointing to China's increased problems. But China's increasing death rate is primarily the result of low vaccination rates combined with the fact that their vaccines are not nearly as effective as ours. China is proof only that mask and social distancing were important to save lives before a vaccine existed, but unsustainable for a society over the long term. More importantly, the anti-vax/mask/social distancing nut jobs also fail to acknowledge that China's overall Covid-19 death rate so far is 4 people per million, but AZ's death rate is 4421 per million. Think about that. If there were ever any definitive proof that masks and social distancing work, it is this. If there were ever any evidence that the US vaccines work, it is that US death rates have dropped significantly, but China's are increasing. The painfully obvious truth is that so many people died in the US only because of the behavior of the anti-mask/vax/social distancing nutjobs. There is a death rate that is higher than China's, but far less than AZ's 4,420 per million, that could have happened if only there were just fewer stupid, selfish American nutters.

Speaking of crush, it's no surprise he blames the Bills' player's cardiac arrest on the vaccine. He also blamed the vaccine for Christian Eriksen but, oops, it turned out Eriksen wasn't vaccinated. By crush's "logic", Eriksen's heart attack must prove that being unvaccinated causes cardiac arrest, right? Or did Hank Gathers get the Covid vaccine back in 1990? I think crush also tried to blame the Stanford goalie's death on being depressed due to Covid but, oops, wrong again. It must be hard to be anti-vax/mask/social distance when it means they agree with perhaps the dumbest person on earth.
 
SurFutbol said:
Masks reduce risk of transmission when worn properly. Lockdowns and social distancing measures reduce risk of transmission. These saved lives until effective vaccines could be introduced, which further saved lives by the severity of the virus. These are indisputable facts. They are why AZ has the highest overall Covid death rate of any state and about twice that of CA, which is 41st. If CA had followed AZ's stupid policies, that would have been another 100,000 Covid deaths at least, and probably more given CA's much higher urban densities. Even NY, which had to deal with the worst of the virus before any effective prevention and treatment existed, now has only the 15th highest overall Covid death rate, which is further proof that the combination of masks, social distancing and vaccines helped tremendously.

Now that it would be embarrassing for the anti-vax/mask/social distancing idiots to AZ, NY and CA as proof of anything they support, they're pointing to China's increased problems. But China's increasing death rate is primarily the result of low vaccination rates combined with the fact that their vaccines are not nearly as effective as ours. China is proof only that mask and social distancing were important to save lives before a vaccine existed, but unsustainable for a society over the long term. More importantly, the anti-vax/mask/social distancing nut jobs also fail to acknowledge that China's overall Covid-19 death rate so far is 4 people per million, but AZ's death rate is 4421 per million. Think about that. If there were ever any definitive proof that masks and social distancing work, it is this. If there were ever any evidence that the US vaccines work, it is that US death rates have dropped significantly, but China's are increasing. The painfully obvious truth is that so many people died in the US only because of the behavior of the anti-mask/vax/social distancing nutjobs. There is a death rate that is higher than China's, but far less than AZ's 4,420 per million, that could have happened if only there were just fewer stupid, selfish American nutters.

Speaking of crush, it's no surprise he blames the Bills' player's cardiac arrest on the vaccine. He also blamed the vaccine for Christian Eriksen but, oops, it turned out Eriksen wasn't vaccinated. By crush's "logic", Eriksen's heart attack must prove that being unvaccinated causes cardiac arrest, right? Or did Hank Gathers get the Covid vaccine back in 1990? I think crush also tried to blame the Stanford goalie's death on being depressed due to Covid but, oops, wrong again. It must be hard to be anti-vax/mask/social distance when it means they agree with perhaps the dumbest person on earth.
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Sure, lockdowns for the first few weeks helped, but the continued blanket policies when we knew the statistics of risk caused more harm than helped.

The only thing China is proving is you can’t hide from a Respiratory Virus. You can get a booster that may help (vaxx’ed people are still dying with Covid) but effectiveness is still subpar.
 
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