kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
@espola. Too easy.
Vaccine
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Grace, if you were able to tell me the impact of changing a parameter in a system of differential equations, our conversations on this would be different.
Your example is off, btw. Changes to R are mostly multiplicative, not additive. So it should be 1.0/0.8 versus 8/6.4.
Second mistake is that 1.0 is not immensely different from 0.8. Both are no-ops.
The comparison you want is 1.1/0.9 versus 11/9.
great. Assume arguendo the numbers you pulled out of your butt are correct: you willing to concede 11 to 9 does practically nothing…hence Japan?
I merely informed you that, if you are going to pull numbers out of your butt, you picked the wrong ones. You picked 8, 7.8, 1 and 0.8. Those are the wrong numbers to pull out of your butt. If you want to make your particular case, your butt needs to produce the numbers 11, 9, 1.1, and 0.9.
My authoritarian translator is going ape: “your hypothetical made me uncomfortable so I preferred to duck the question and criticize your numbers. I feel more confident discussing math anyways. Then when you accepted my critique I got all flustered because I really prefer to talk numbers than admit to things that shake my beliefs and terrify me so I’m just going to ignore it again”
man it really is like talking to someone about the perpetual virginity of the Virgin Mary…all faith and no room for the slightest movement that might shake that faith.
ps You should know we have little control over when and how we pull things out of our butt. Shy pooping is just a sad attempt to control the uncontrollable.
Your translator misfired.
What I said was “you do not understand the models well enough to have the discussion you requested.”
You asked me for my opinion on what happens when R changes from 11 to 9. I can talk to you about what happens to peak hospitalizations in the SIR model when you change R from 11 to 9. ( Other people can do it better. ) But would you be able to reply in kind?
Same old same old. Sigh.
Hüsker Dü
DA
I came into the wrong part of this conversation!
Hüsker Dü
DA
If you feel you know everything you’ll never learn anything.
The WHO just announced world wide emergency for Monkeypox. Based on the infornation from the "Science Experts" this is a virus that is spread by men to men who practixe unsafe sex. I have dear friends who are gay and even they say this is crazy. Their advice right now is to just spank the Monkey until more information comes from CDC about this dangerous virus. Be safe out there folks.
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Desert Hound
DA
Dad was telling us the vax stop infection and transmission. Turns out they don't do either.
Matter of fact long ago the gov knew it didn't stop infection...but continued to lie.
"Former White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx says she knew that the COVID-19 vaccines would not protect against infection.
“I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection. And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it’s not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization,” she told Fox News. “It will. But let’s be very clear: 50% of the people who died from the Omicron surge were older, vaccinated."
Matter of fact long ago the gov knew it didn't stop infection...but continued to lie.
"Former White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx says she knew that the COVID-19 vaccines would not protect against infection.
“I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection. And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it’s not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization,” she told Fox News. “It will. But let’s be very clear: 50% of the people who died from the Omicron surge were older, vaccinated."
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
That would be a great argument for a world with only one variant and where vaccines are always either 0% or 100% effective.
Bruddah IZ
DA
And don't forget the immune system that will soon carry the world population over 8 billion despite the 50 million year old corona virus.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Same old babble.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
It's all he's got.
Desert Hound
DA
Up until just weeks ago you were saying the vax stops the spread. It doesn't.
It was also obvious a long time ago the vax didn't stop infection. You didn't like that and instead blamed the unvaxxed.
Wrong again on your part.
The vax neither stops infection or the spread. And the longer this goes on we see natural immunity provides longer benefits... something again you fought against.
You were gung ho to force people from jobs etc based on false evidence. I and many others pointed out there are no long term studies. You poo poohed that.
Desert Hound
DA
And then you have Birx stating half the people dying in the past yr are vaxxed and boosted.
Think about that.
There is a higher percentage of people vaxxed than unvaxxed and yet half the deaths come from the vaxxed group.
The misinformation peddled is astonishing.
The fact that you so willing still defer to these people is beyond me.
The fact that last week you stated you still liked the concept of lockdowns despite a mountain of evidence showing they were ineffective.