Too bad they didn’t roll out that fifth shot quicker. If he had gotten the shot I’m sure it would have made a difference.
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I want to be the first on here to say I was wrong about President Biden. I think he was lied to as well and I feel so bad for him now. Looks like he got played. I also see how former President Trump was lied to and tricked and he also got played. Trick plays with all of our lives. You know what grace T, WE ALL GOT PLAYED. Please forgive me for getting emotional and saying things I should have kept in my head. I love you Grace T and I love Golden Gate as well ((I don't like how he came at me but I 100% forgive him)). I was also hard on Espola & Husker Du and all for my anger issues and all my mean meme's and just being all over the place, I want to say publicly to the both of them and Dad as well that I was harsh and took things too far. I forgive them as well for being mean to me. I LOVE YOU ALL, EVEN ALL THE COACHES AND DOCS WHO GOT PLAYED AS WELL. WE GOT PLAYED YOU GUYS 100%. Former President's Lincoln and Kennedy got killed so were all still here alive. This is going to get intense.
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Since Imperial’s Professor Danny Altmann claimed three weeks ago, based on a recent paper from his university, that Omicron does not provide natural immunity against reinfection, this claim has been repeated around the world and become an accepted part of the Covid narrative, frightening people into believing the pandemic may never be over. Professor Altmann wrote in the Guardian:
Rather than a wall of immunity arising from vaccinations and previous infections, we are seeing wave after wave of new cases and a rapidly growing burden of long-term disease…
Importantly, Omicron infection was a poor booster of immunity to further Omicron infections. It is a kind of stealth virus that gets in under the radar without doing too much to alert immune defense's. Even having had Omicron, we’re not well protected from further infections…
Contrary to the myth that we are sliding into a comfortable evolutionary relationship with a common-cold-like, friendly virus, this is more like being trapped on a rollercoaster in a horror film.
At the Daily Sceptic we pointed out that Professor Altmann’s interpretation of the paper’s findings was flawed and not in line with what it said or showed. The paper actually did show a robust immune response following Omicron infection.
Now, two new studies from Qatar provide real-world evidence of the power of natural immunity against Omicron.
The first study looked at all confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections in Qatar from February 2020 to June 2022, comparing Covid incidence and severity among those with and without a previous infection (all in the study were unvaccinated). The pre-print study (not yet peer-reviewed) found that pre-Omicron Covid provided 85.5% protection (CI: 84.8-86.2%) against pre-Omicron reinfection, though waning to around 70% after about a year and a half. This is in line with earlier studies.
Against Omicron reinfection, a pre-Omicron infection provided 38.1% protection (CI: 36.3-39.8%), though declined with time possibly to negligible levels after a year and a half.
Importantly, pre-Omicron infection provided very high protection of 97.3% (CI: 94.9- 98.6%) against severe, critical, or fatal COVID-19 reinfection by both Omicron and pre-Omicron Covid, with no evidence of waning after 14 months. While Qatar’s population is younger than most, a very similar result of 95.4% protection was found for the over-50s, again with no evidence of waning. This suggests that Covid quickly becomes like a circulating cold after the population has had it once.
But what about Omicron reinfection after an initial Omicron infection – what protection does that provide? Professor Altmann claims the immune response following an Omicron infection is negligible and Omicron is a “stealth virus” that evades immunity and doesn’t protect against reinfection. However, the second study from Qatar shows this is not true at all.
The pre-print (not yet peer-reviewed) used a test-negative, case-control design to look at infections in Qatar between May 7th and July 4th 2022, with particular attention give to the period June 8th to July 4th when Omicron BA.4 and BA.5 dominated. It found that an initial Omicron infection against BA.4 and BA.5 reinfection provided 79.7% protection (CI: 74.3-83.9%), not far off the protection of pre-Omicron infection against pre-Omicron reinfection found in the first study (85.5%). The study also found that an initial pre-Omicron infection provided 28.3% protection (CI: 11.4-41.9%) against BA.4 or BA.5 reinfection, broadly in line with the first study (given the later time and newer variants).
Professor Altmann and others who claim Omicron infection does not provide immunity against reinfection are therefore spreading misinformation by exaggerating the threat from the virus and downplaying the prospects for population immunity and moving on from the pandemic.
The authors of the second study say there were too few serious cases to draw any conclusions about protection from severe disease and death. However, considering the 80% protection against reinfection, there is no reason to think the protection an Omicron infection provides against serious disease will not, as with pre-Omicron infection in the first study, be similarly robust and long lasting.
Rather than a wall of immunity arising from vaccinations and previous infections, we are seeing wave after wave of new cases and a rapidly growing burden of long-term disease…
Importantly, Omicron infection was a poor booster of immunity to further Omicron infections. It is a kind of stealth virus that gets in under the radar without doing too much to alert immune defense's. Even having had Omicron, we’re not well protected from further infections…
Contrary to the myth that we are sliding into a comfortable evolutionary relationship with a common-cold-like, friendly virus, this is more like being trapped on a rollercoaster in a horror film.
At the Daily Sceptic we pointed out that Professor Altmann’s interpretation of the paper’s findings was flawed and not in line with what it said or showed. The paper actually did show a robust immune response following Omicron infection.
Now, two new studies from Qatar provide real-world evidence of the power of natural immunity against Omicron.
The first study looked at all confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections in Qatar from February 2020 to June 2022, comparing Covid incidence and severity among those with and without a previous infection (all in the study were unvaccinated). The pre-print study (not yet peer-reviewed) found that pre-Omicron Covid provided 85.5% protection (CI: 84.8-86.2%) against pre-Omicron reinfection, though waning to around 70% after about a year and a half. This is in line with earlier studies.
Against Omicron reinfection, a pre-Omicron infection provided 38.1% protection (CI: 36.3-39.8%), though declined with time possibly to negligible levels after a year and a half.
Importantly, pre-Omicron infection provided very high protection of 97.3% (CI: 94.9- 98.6%) against severe, critical, or fatal COVID-19 reinfection by both Omicron and pre-Omicron Covid, with no evidence of waning after 14 months. While Qatar’s population is younger than most, a very similar result of 95.4% protection was found for the over-50s, again with no evidence of waning. This suggests that Covid quickly becomes like a circulating cold after the population has had it once.
But what about Omicron reinfection after an initial Omicron infection – what protection does that provide? Professor Altmann claims the immune response following an Omicron infection is negligible and Omicron is a “stealth virus” that evades immunity and doesn’t protect against reinfection. However, the second study from Qatar shows this is not true at all.
The pre-print (not yet peer-reviewed) used a test-negative, case-control design to look at infections in Qatar between May 7th and July 4th 2022, with particular attention give to the period June 8th to July 4th when Omicron BA.4 and BA.5 dominated. It found that an initial Omicron infection against BA.4 and BA.5 reinfection provided 79.7% protection (CI: 74.3-83.9%), not far off the protection of pre-Omicron infection against pre-Omicron reinfection found in the first study (85.5%). The study also found that an initial pre-Omicron infection provided 28.3% protection (CI: 11.4-41.9%) against BA.4 or BA.5 reinfection, broadly in line with the first study (given the later time and newer variants).
Professor Altmann and others who claim Omicron infection does not provide immunity against reinfection are therefore spreading misinformation by exaggerating the threat from the virus and downplaying the prospects for population immunity and moving on from the pandemic.
The authors of the second study say there were too few serious cases to draw any conclusions about protection from severe disease and death. However, considering the 80% protection against reinfection, there is no reason to think the protection an Omicron infection provides against serious disease will not, as with pre-Omicron infection in the first study, be similarly robust and long lasting.
Yet you can lose your job, be prohibited from certain activities and labeled selfish for not getting vaccinated.
Happened again
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he is a tired old man who who didn't make the transition very well from hero to zero. Once the circus master left the WH he was left to manage the circus. hasn't done a very good job and has contributed minimally to day to day healthcare.
Like I said before, he shouldn't have been driving the bus. I was OK with him on the bus, but he wasn't qualified to drive it. The problem was compounded when the attention went to his head.
Something to consider. Not sure what it all means, but it doesn't sound positive.
The spike protein is neurotoxic, and it impairs DNA repair mechanisms.
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Suppression of type I interferon responses results in impaired innate immunity.
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The mRNA vaccines potentially cause increased risk to infectious diseases and cancer.
The spike protein is neurotoxic, and it impairs DNA repair mechanisms.
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Suppression of type I interferon responses results in impaired innate immunity.
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The mRNA vaccines potentially cause increased risk to infectious diseases and cancer.
From the Birx and Atlas books the record seems quite clear that outside of the vaccines he wasn't really driving the bus. Sandra Bullock was driving the bus. He was Keanu...except unfortunately the Bill and Ted version that let's the fame go to his head. He thought himself part puppet master, part enforcer, and part celebrity.
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Conclusion from study:
There has been an unwavering message about the safety and efficacy of mRNA vaccinations against SARS-CoV-2 from the public health apparatus in the US and around the globe. The efficacy is increasingly in doubt, as shown in a recent letter to the Lancet Regional Health by Günter Kampf (2021b). Kampf provided data showing that the vaccinated are now as likely as the unvaccinated to spread disease. He concluded: “It appears to be grossly negligent to ignore the vaccinated population as a possible and relevant source of transmission when deciding about public health control measures.” Moreover, the inadequacy of phase I, II, and III trials to evaluate mid-term and long-term side effects from mRNA genetic vaccines may have been misleading on their suppressive impact on the innate immunity of the vaccines.
Maybe my analogy wasn't the best but he was undoubtedly the public face of the Covid response. Whether that was by design or by ego, IDK.
It seems outside of the vaccines it was just his ego (at least until Biden came along...until those books come out we won't really know what kind of pull he has vis-a-vis the white house tsar). That, and the fact the vaccines themselves have so failed to live up to their promise, makes it kinda sad and tragic in a King-Lear-you-ought-to-know better kind of way. He's gone from the cover of Vanity Fair or whatever to his legacy being permanently tarred with a vast swath of the country
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This will all unfold at some point. This virus behaves in ways that confuses many. Origin is still unknown and way too many conspiracy theories abound. Anectodal and circumstantial evidence can easily lead somone down the conspiracy path - almost in a logical way.
bottom line is it behaves in a way that keeps the medical community on its toes, especially those in the trenches that treat everyday. Plenty we don't know and plenty of data we don't have access to. I suppose the good news is that "long covid" isn't something attributed only to sars-cov2.
If someone insists on being indoors around other people while unmasked and unvaccinated, they are being selfish. They get the label because it fits.
Agreed. It will take a long time to sort out the long term impacts of both Covid infection and the vaccine. However, there is a lot we do know now. Like the vaccine doesn't provide enough protection from infection to justify a mandate or restrictions for the non-vaccinated. And healthy kids are not at risk from serious consequences from the virus.
Actually selfish is expecting other people to get medical treatment to protect you, particularly when that medical treatment doesn't do much to protect you from that individual.
You seem to confuse “things we know” with “policy positions watfly holds”.
Whether we should have restrictions for the unvaccinated is never going to be a “thing we know”. It’s a policy position, not a fact.
Most of our public discourse has this problem. We start from policy preferences, and work backwards to choose (or invent) whatever facts are necessary to support that policy.
You see it a bit in the question of whether the spike protein impairs DNA repair. The spike protein is in both the vaccines and the virus. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that the spike protein in one is more or less risky than the spike protein in the other. Chemically, they are the same. (Unless you are arguing that the mutations make BA.5 spikes less harmful than original covid spikes. That would be interesting.)
But, if your goal is to write something negative about the vaccine, the DNA repair questions sound very scary, so it’s good to go. All you need to do is suggest that the vaccine spikes might cause cancer, and hope that your audience has forgotten that the virus has the exact same spikes, too.
The issue is that short of living our lives in the bizarre hypochondriac lifestyle you seem to advocate, there's not a whole lot we can do to avoid the virus. What's worse is there is no offramp for that hysteria on the horizon, which seems to mean you propose people alter perhaps a decade of their lives. That's throwing away a decade you'll never get back....for some children their entire childhood.
But a booster every 3 months which Fauci himself has said it not particularly very good at stopping you from getting COVID is an avoidable event.