Vaccine

[kickingandscreaming]

I've always found PL Seafoods to be inconsistent.

Our turnover is not from our long term employees but our employees that have been with us less than 6 months. Here is how hiring goes for us these days:

-Place ad on job listing website
-Wait weeks to get enough decent resumes to have a interview after sorting through resumes with gross misspellings, 10 jobs in last year or email address is sexkitten@hotmail.com
-Schedule and confirm 5 interviews. Two people show up, one shows up in a t-shirt and jeans drinking a Monster energy through the interview
-Run background check on one potentially suitable candidate 50% chance that there is restraining order against them, their license is suspended and/or a failure to appear in court
-Find a candidate whose background check is not awful (just multiple filed claims for non-payment), offer them the job
-50/50 chance new hire shows up for 1st day of work
-Get lucky and shows up for work, 50/50 chance after the 1st week of work new hire informs us they can't work the hours assigned and gives some millennial reason
-New hire makes it a month and 50/50 chance they inform us that they will only do certain tasks and not others, claiming "that's not what they signed up for". We can't accommodate, they quit.

It seems odd to me that places that were fully staffed prior to the pandemic are now struggling mightily to get staff. I thought maybe it was a local issue but I noticed in Redmond WA during the playoffs the Whole Foods only had soup out at a large hot bar, no pizza and no sandwiches were being made either. Where did all these workers go and how are they making a living?

 

[Grace T.]

It seems odd to me that places that were fully staffed prior to the pandemic are now struggling mightily to get staff. I thought maybe it was a local issue but I noticed in Redmond WA during the playoffs the Whole Foods only had soup out at a large hot bar, no pizza and no sandwiches were being made either. Where did all these workers go and how are they making a living?

It was the same in Memphis and St. Louis. Very well know BBQ House in St. Louis advertising for cooks and clerks...chatted up the owner...having trouble getting people who want to work the hours required, particularly weekends. Elvis museum in Memphis closed some kiosks and areas because of short staffing...the big Bass Pro Shop in the pyramid had long check out lines because not enough clerks (lost some business with some people getting out of line saying not worth it....almost did that but my kid was whining about getting a cap).. New Orleans some places had shorter hours despite it (or maybe because of it) being 4th of July week. Springfield cafe take out only because they couldn't get a full wait staff. Only place that seemed unaffected was Arkansas, which frankly is booming in comparison. But I also note fly over country isn't nearly as bad as here...and no one cares about COVID until you hit St. Louis (where you start seeing a few masks again) and move North to Chicago.

 

[watfly]

Where did all these workers go and how are they making a living?

Million dollar question. Charles Payne from Fox Business spoke at our conference last week and he was asked that question. He didn't really know either but speculated that people are still living off all the free money that was pumped into the economy for Covid relief. I can't speak for WA, but I suspect that CA's liberal unemployment benefits aren't helping the situation after people got used to not working during Covid.

I'm fairly confident that those that don't show up for our job interviews are just setting up interviews to satisfy the EDD "Look for Work" requirements.

 

[dad4]

The record is becoming very clear on that. You just refuse to accept it. Short of Australia/NZ lockdowns, it wasn't a million to be saved. We know now that those are the really hard lockdowns that worked (see also China). Once you lift the lockdown, as they experienced initially in Europe, the virus will just build again.

Other than that it's just biting away at the edges: masks worked a little at first until the thing hit Delta levels contagions, cloth masks didn't work very well at all let alone the horrible advice re bandanas and gaiters, mandates would fail to make differences population wide because people didn't wear them properly; indoor dining wasn't responsible for huge numbers (as Los Angeles proved in its failure to control the virus...your excuse was new variant); schools probably helped a little but then you had the alcohol and weed stores and work and residence were the places most passing along the virus; hardening nursing homes like Florida did.

The thing that most controlled the deaths was how quickly and to whom the vaccine was rolled out. As you yourself have said, some other factors like density and the structure of nursing homes was baked in. Then there was just serendipity....Peru had the longest lockdowns, mask mandates, and martial law yet finished where it finished....Norway didn't do masks and got away in the early hits.

So will you fess up to the question you've danced around all these years....do you think Australia and New Zealand (let alone Vietnam and China) had the right idea?

The record is not at all clear, at least for purposes of this discussion.

You believe that masks and targeted closures would have done almost nothing to limit covid.

I believe that universal masking and universal closure of high risk indoor places would have come close to keeping R < 1 during 2020.

We have a similar disagreement over Delta. I believe Delta cannot grow in a masked, vaccinated population. My guess is that you do not share this perspective.

Both of which point to the same division. You see a disease which would have spread no matter what we did. I see a disease kept alive by those who insist on remaining social without taking precautions.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

The record is not at all clear, at least for purposes of this discussion.

You believe that masks and targeted closures would have done almost nothing to limit covid.

I believe that universal masking and universal closure of high risk indoor places would have come close to keeping R < 1 during 2020.

We have a similar disagreement over Delta. I believe Delta cannot grow in a masked, vaccinated population. My guess is that you do not share this perspective.

Both of which point to the same division. You see a disease which would have spread no matter what we did. I see a disease kept alive by those who insist on remaining social without taking precautions.

Shocking

 

[Hüsker Dü]

It seems odd to me that places that were fully staffed prior to the pandemic are now struggling mightily to get staff. I thought maybe it was a local issue but I noticed in Redmond WA during the playoffs the Whole Foods only had soup out at a large hot bar, no pizza and no sandwiches were being made either. Where did all these workers go and how are they making a living?

Exactly! I would this will all catch up to them sometime soon. I’d be getting my damn foot in the door somewhere.

 

[Desert Hound]

I believe that universal masking and universal closure of high risk indoor places would have come close to keeping R < 1 during 2020.

And yet despite numerous articles and analysis showing lockdowns didn't work...you still like the concept and apparently you would do the same failed policies again.

Not good.

 

[Grace T.]

The record is not at all clear, at least for purposes of this discussion.

You believe that masks and targeted closures would have done almost nothing to limit covid.

I believe that universal masking and universal closure of high risk indoor places would have come close to keeping R < 1 during 2020.

We have a similar disagreement over Delta. I believe Delta cannot grow in a masked, vaccinated population. My guess is that you do not share this perspective.

Both of which point to the same division. You see a disease which would have spread no matter what we did. I see a disease kept alive by those who insist on remaining social without taking precautions.

I see (yet) again you ducked the Australia/NZ question. Taking it assertion by assertion:

Yes the record is pretty clear

What do you mean by "targeted closures"? You mean lockdowns? I point you to Europe, which you yourself complained about the reopenings/closings. Do you mean just indoor dining/gyms/bars/theaters? If so, nope, because Los Angeles already proved that (don't you remember....you screamed new variant). What do you mean "almost nothing"? I think masking + indoor dining/gyms/bars/theaters but keeping work (take out, construction, processing, factories, weed shops, air travel, liquor stores, box stores) open might have saved us in the neighborhood of 5-20% (Los Angeles would have had that much worse of an experience).

Yes I agree we disagree over Delta I didn't think masked+vaccinated would stop it, if not for the simple reason that we'd eventually get a new variant and at that point (with everyone who wanted one vaxxed) there was no point to the exercise.

As to your final sentence, you just admitted once and for all you in fact believed COVID Zero was possible, which is ludicrous.

p.s. it's fun annotating you.

 

[crush]

Hi everyone. I have a couple minutes to chime in here. Restaurants got screwed big time and most are closing. My fav Thai place is closing down. Fear is everywhere again and the mask is back. The head of the SD Schools told parents if their kid won't wear a mask, no school for them and they can go online. The Royal Hawaiian in Laguna is closing down in 8 days because? Most of you say the workers are lazy and just living off the Gov. and are not hard working slaves like the rest of you. My gosh, so harsh. My old marketing company was working with restaurants and other businesses and growing right before Covid. Try selling advertising to these folks. No one wants to make $16 and be the mask enforcers and get yelled at by customers who say no. It's back on and this will be it. Imagine working super hard and become manager at Stater Bros? Nowhere in the job description did it say, "you have to chase folks out of the store who refuse to obey the masters and also scare the elderly half to death. My buddy left for Fl and my favorite checker left to AZ. Good luck finding help today. I'm sure some lazy people out there but no way young people will put up with BS. It's going to get a lot worse and I know why. I'll look to check back later. I love you all but 90% of you are way off. Life lessons are hard to learn.

 

[watfly]

Exactly! I would this will all catch up to them sometime soon. I’d be getting my damn foot in the door somewhere.

Unfortunately the concept of getting your foot in the door is lost on a lot of young people these days as is the concept of paying your dues. They think they should start as managers in an open concept office with ping pong tables, a smoothie bar and a quiet room. Where you and I probably climbed the ladder by getting promoted within the same company, they switch jobs like shoes looking for that perfect fit or the one startup that actually goes public. Back in our days we also couldn't make a living making short stupid videos of our life.

 

[dad4]

Unfortunately the concept of getting your foot in the door is lost on a lot of young people these days as is the concept of paying your dues. They think they should start as managers in an open concept office with ping pong tables, a smoothie bar and a quiet room. Where you and I probably climbed the ladder by getting promoted within the same company, they switch jobs like shoes looking for that perfect fit or the one startup that actually goes public. Back in our days we also couldn't make a living making short stupid videos of our life.

Kids just don't trust the idea of paying your dues. It's not that the concept is lost on them. It's that they see right through it.

Loyalty to a corporation isn't always repaid with loyalty. All those years of service don't necessarily mean squat if the company gets bought out and the cost cutters come in.

 

[dad4]

I see (yet) again you ducked the Australia/NZ question. Taking it assertion by assertion:

Yes the record is pretty clear

What do you mean by "targeted closures"? You mean lockdowns? I point you to Europe, which you yourself complained about the reopenings/closings. Do you mean just indoor dining/gyms/bars/theaters? If so, nope, because Los Angeles already proved that (don't you remember....you screamed new variant). What do you mean "almost nothing"? I think masking + indoor dining/gyms/bars/theaters but keeping work (take out, construction, processing, factories, weed shops, air travel, liquor stores, box stores) open might have saved us in the neighborhood of 5-20% (Los Angeles would have had that much worse of an experience).

Yes I agree we disagree over Delta I didn't think masked+vaccinated would stop it, if not for the simple reason that we'd eventually get a new variant and at that point (with everyone who wanted one vaxxed) there was no point to the exercise.

As to your final sentence, you just admitted once and for all you in fact believed COVID Zero was possible, which is ludicrous.

p.s. it's fun annotating you.

As I said. We disagree.

 

[watfly]

Kids just don't trust the idea of paying your dues. It's not that the concept is lost on them. It's that they see right through it.

Loyalty to a corporation isn't always repaid with loyalty. All those years of service don't necessarily mean squat if the company gets bought out and the cost cutters come in.

I don't see that. it has more to do with instant gratification.

 

[crush]

I don't see that. it has more to do with instant gratification.

No watty bro, they don;t want to be owned and controlled by a boss man that forces them to wear a mask and or enforce. I worked with teens for over 30 years. This generation is waking up. Two years ripped off already. My buddy does carpet repair and he has to do ALL the work now because he can;t find anyone to train. Everyone at his little company quit the last two years. People don;t want anyone in their house unless its ER situation like heart attack or someone clogged the toilet with a big doo doo and crap everywhere so they call the plumber or AC goes out. All people in the service industry have to wear a stupid mask and they hate it and feel like a freaking slave. Good luck finding people who will obey the mask BS this summer. My wife's friends dd has a big rash and infection from wearing dumb mask at the Doc office. She quit last week. I went to a vet today and I took this picture. All the office staff and the doctor all had mask and all have been jabbed. I walked in NO MASK and I am not jabbed. Crazy lies. Lady at the fron took mask off to talk to me and she had red rash, no joke. You and others think she's a hard worker for the doc and doing her fair share. Do you not see the problem?

 

[Hüsker Dü]

I don't see that. it has more to do with instant gratification.

I see both being plausible.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

I see both being plausible.

Reading through this series of posts the thing that popped into my head, having a recent high school graduate, was, you know what, "the kids are alright". Which put me in mind that I hadn't had a good dose of Kieth Moon drumming in a while. So, for those that might enjoy, Young Man Blues, circa 1970, seems appropriate.

 

[crush]

Born 1947-Died 2022 ((75 years))

My mother would be so sad to see what happen to her favorite restaurant. She owned 6 homes in Laguna and one was right up the street from this amazing place. Her three sons by blood all got their first job at RH. Many of my pals from high school all had their first jobs at RH. I actually have a dear friend who learned how to be dish washer, a waiter, a cook and a manager at RH. He got so good, he went on to open his own place in town. He just closed down after 25 years in biz because of how HARD it is to run a biz these days. Rent is insane now. The new rules make it impossible to survive and the last 2 1/2 years is killing small biz and tasty eat places. Put a mask on it! All it takes is one Elitist who complains about live music noise and has buddies on the commission. Elites move into my town, destroy old cottage home and then build their palace and bark and chirp at those below them.

 

[crush]

Please pray for President Joe Biden. He now has Covid.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Reading through this series of posts the thing that popped into my head, having a recent high school graduate, was, you know what, "the kids are alright". Which put me in mind that I hadn't had a good dose of Kieth Moon drumming in a while. So, for those that might enjoy, Young Man Blues, circa 1970, seems appropriate.

Life being tough on young people is an ageless, universal reality.

 

[crush]

The President of the United States of America needs are thoughts and prayers you guys. He also has cancer and asthma. I pray for you Mr. President. VP is getting to run the country now and might have to lead us now. I pray for the VP that she will have the strength & courage to help us in tough times.