Vaccine

We all need to stop settling for the least worst candidate. Newsom vs DiSantis would only be marginally better than Trump v Biden.
I can appreciate the desire for better candidates but I'll say Newsom and DiSantis are significantly better than Trump v Biden. With Trump and Biden, one is unfit to serve and the other is incapable. Yes, that's a low bar but it is a significant one.
 
I think the issue with that statement is it's like saying a murderer and a thief both deserve to be in prison without any provided context. I think many of us don't think Biden and Trump are remotely comparable and we need to come to terms with this as a country so we can get more aligned and fight the same fight. Until there is this acknowledgment, it's hard to have a sane conversation. I say this just as another lense. Keep in mind @watfly I don't see you as one of the crazy ones on this message board -- I think you're a reasonable human.

Personally I think the GOP should elevate Kinzinger.
Or perhaps nominate Liz Cheney as the 2024 Presidential candidate, if for no other reason than to forestall her running as an independent and sucking up Republican votes.
 
Or perhaps nominate Liz Cheney as the 2024 Presidential candidate, if for no other reason than to forestall her running as an independent and sucking up Republican votes.
Short of felony convictions for Trump and multiple associates, I can't imagine the GOP nominating Cheney.

She'd have my vote on character alone, but that is not a common viewpoint.
 
Operative word is "presented". We have far more in common but were defined by the extremes and/or we vilify each other based upon on differences. Of course, that comes with freedom of speech which is also what makes our country great. Maybe more focus on responsibilties than rights.

Happy 4th y'all!
I actually think its the primary system that is the root cause, where a small number of extremist (from each side) hijack the candidates and then the electorate votes for a party. Add in gerrymandering from both D & Rs and you end up with a clusterF.
 
I can appreciate the desire for better candidates but I'll say Newsom and DiSantis are significantly better than Trump v Biden. With Trump and Biden, one is unfit to serve and the other is incapable. Yes, that's a low bar but it is a significant one.
Governors do have far greater experience and they would be coming from the two of the largest states. So they would at least be qualified.

I actually think its the primary system that is the root cause, where a small number of extremist (from each side) hijack the candidates and then the electorate votes for a party. Add in gerrymandering from both D & Rs and you end up with a clusterF.
Can't disagree with that.
 
All politicians suck. Period.
I actually think its the primary system that is the root cause, where a small number of extremist (from each side) hijack the candidates and then the electorate votes for a party. Add in gerrymandering from both D & Rs and you end up with a clusterF.
There's truth in both statements. I'll add to that a biased media where you'll never get a clear picture of an issue using a single source. But it all comes down to us. We allow it. We vote on politicians. We accept it every time we vote. We accept it every time we use our favored news source version and disregard another's version without a thought.

We have become a nation where too many people not only believe in the way they live, (or, more correctly, the way they profess to live) but also believe other people should be forced to live the same way. Never mind that they have never even been to many of the places where they want their wisdom enforced. Humor is found in denigrating large swaths of our population. Pleasure is found when a pound of flesh is extracted from the "other" side. Accountability is something to be screamed for from one's opponents and avoided by one's comrades. Now, more than any time I remember, power is more important than actually solving problems. Is it any wonder we are so divided? Politicians and policies are just symptoms.

Ok, end of my sermon.
 
Wow, this doesn't sound good.


The bolded part is both humorous and telling.

Debra Messing was fed up. The former "Will & Grace" star was among dozens of celebrity Democratic supporters and activists who joined a call with White House aides last Monday to discuss the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.
The mood was fatalistic, according to three people on the call, which was also co-organized by the advocacy group Build Back Better Together.
Messing said she'd gotten Joe Biden elected and wanted to know why she was being asked to do anything at all, yelling that there didn't even seem a point to voting. Others wondered why the call was happening.
 
Mask are back in NYC but only as a suggestion right now and lockdowns will be next for all of us soon. Hate to bring the bad news but some folks have been very naughty and this is their only way to keep playing their stupid games of deceit, lies with spies, cheating, assignations ((RIP Abe)), kickbacks for dirty play so they can earn their dirty pay. I know some who sold out for the dream but now they see they were 100% wrong and have capitulated. I am so proud of them. Forum bros. I promised not to share PMs and I wont ever. The truth is truth and truth will always stand alone, without a political party. All of you need to be shown the truth because you don't believe what has been told to you and the lesson has not been learned. Now the real show begins. BTW, China has three warships circling Japan like a Great White Shark right now. My brother in law lives in Japan and things are not good right now after Honest Abe was shot and killed.
 
Truth from crush: I'm just getting over the new virus, weapon or plague they put out on us. It hit me with mild conditions and I thought I beat it but it was only the beginning of my 6 days of hell. I'm always first to get these things and I know 100% I will be stronger from it after my immune system does it's job. I am healthy and that saved me 100%. Here were my symptoms. Fever, headache on first day, sore throat 2nd day, clogged up nose and cough, The Runs & Puking Day 3 and 4. Day 5 was yesterday and first day no puke or runs. Today I moved around and had some toast and apple juice. Nothing is staying in my stomach so why eat, right? This is nasty and real so get ready everyone. I'm not making this up. The worse part is I lost my taste big time and this has never happen to me. I can't taste shit and its not fun :( I guess I ate some crow and humble pie with being a little too cocky about these viruses. I haven't been sick for two years and I guess I thought I was immune to all this, not!!! This was nasty and very tough on my body. I have never had all these symptoms all at once and it was no good and so hard my my body. I will keep you all posted on my taste because I want taste buds back.
 
Get ready for the big lockdown coming folks. Real and honest elections in the Mid terms will literally destroy the Dems and send many of them to prison or worse and they all know it so what will they do? Cheat, steal and lie some more and force us all on lockdown again with a new emergency of another virus. The virus is real and you best better be in damn good shape for this bio weapon folks. I'm dead serious. They will spew lies and cause division and blame people like crush for not obeying the Covidian Cult and get all the jabs.

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I actually think I got the Ninja and not Monkey Pox. You guys, this is no joke. It really doesn;t matter what it is, it's already been released. Please, eat healthy and stay safe. No mask needed because you won;t be leaving the house. Find your favorite toilet in the house and be close by is all all I can say.

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In that sense, BA5 might be a preview of the months and years to come. A year ago, we had a chance to block SARS-CoV-2’s main transmission vectors through vaccines and social distancing.

But we didn’t. Restrictions on businesses, schools and crowds have become politically toxic all over the world. Vaccination rates remained stubbornly low, even in many countries with easy access to jabs. In the U.S., for example, the percentage of fully vaccinated has stalled at around 67 percent.

The Massive Screwup That Could Let COVID Bypass Our Vaccines

So COVID lingers, 31 months after the first case was diagnosed in Wuhan, China. The longer the virus circulates, the more variants it produces. BA.5 is the all but inevitable result of that tragic dynamic.

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The simple-mindedness of this take is breathtaking. Let's add a little balance to what it takes and how "successful" we (we the world, mind you, not just the US) could have expected to be if only we were as committed as China.

 

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In that sense, BA5 might be a preview of the months and years to come. A year ago, we had a chance to block SARS-CoV-2’s main transmission vectors through vaccines and social distancing.

But we didn’t. Restrictions on businesses, schools and crowds have become politically toxic all over the world. Vaccination rates remained stubbornly low, even in many countries with easy access to jabs. In the U.S., for example, the percentage of fully vaccinated has stalled at around 67 percent.

The Massive Screwup That Could Let COVID Bypass Our Vaccines

So COVID lingers, 31 months after the first case was diagnosed in Wuhan, China. The longer the virus circulates, the more variants it produces. BA.5 is the all but inevitable result of that tragic dynamic.

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The simple-mindedness of this take is breathtaking. Let's add a little balance to what it takes and how "successful" we (we the world, mind you, not just the US) could have expected to be if only we were as committed as China.

The Guidestones in GA said the goal of the Global Elitist from WEF is a population of 500,000,000 in the whole world. It ((The evil Stones)) got blown up the other night btw and no way were letting these monsters rule the planet at 500M. Did you see all the poor people swimming in the palace in Sir Lanka? I loved it. I want a Day at the Bay for all my pals in East LA some day :)
 

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In that sense, BA5 might be a preview of the months and years to come. A year ago, we had a chance to block SARS-CoV-2’s main transmission vectors through vaccines and social distancing.

But we didn’t. Restrictions on businesses, schools and crowds have become politically toxic all over the world. Vaccination rates remained stubbornly low, even in many countries with easy access to jabs. In the U.S., for example, the percentage of fully vaccinated has stalled at around 67 percent.

The Massive Screwup That Could Let COVID Bypass Our Vaccines

So COVID lingers, 31 months after the first case was diagnosed in Wuhan, China. The longer the virus circulates, the more variants it produces. BA.5 is the all but inevitable result of that tragic dynamic.

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The simple-mindedness of this take is breathtaking. Let's add a little balance to what it takes and how "successful" we (we the world, mind you, not just the US) could have expected to be if only we were as committed as China.

Why do you think that we would have been better about vaccines and distance?

The vaccine skeptics in the US are also skeptical about masks, distance, moving outside, and covid in general.

If policies on "businesses, schools, and crowds" had been looser, that would not have prompted them to get vaccinated. They'd just say "I told you it was nothing", and go on doing what they were going to do anyway.
 
Why do you think that we would have been better about vaccines and distance?

The vaccine skeptics in the US are also skeptical about masks, distance, moving outside, and covid in general.

If policies on "businesses, schools, and crowds" had been looser, that would not have prompted them to get vaccinated. They'd just say "I told you it was nothing", and go on doing what they were going to do anyway.
Yes, we vaccine are skeptics and we think with our brain first ((not our pocket book)) and are critical thinkers and suspicious of those who have been bought, bribed and blackmailed and want us to give up our God given rights. I have a immune system and I don;t need no vaccine.
 
Why do you think that we would have been better about vaccines and distance?

The vaccine skeptics in the US are also skeptical about masks, distance, moving outside, and covid in general.

If policies on "businesses, schools, and crowds" had been looser, that would not have prompted them to get vaccinated. They'd just say "I told you it was nothing", and go on doing what they were going to do anyway.
Do you mean, “we” as in the US only would be better? That wasn’t my point. I simply used what I believe the writer meant by “we” —> the world. Given that these variants started in other countries, it’s even more ridiculous to assume these things wouldn’t have happened if the US had a higher vaccination rate. I gave the writer the most forgiving definition of “we” - and the one I believe he meant to use.

The article itself mentions that Chinese leadership believes their vaccination rate isn’t high enough. What hope do free and highly culturally diverse countries have if China can’t manage to accomplish a high enough vaccination rate? No hope.
 
Why do you think that we would have been better about vaccines and distance?

The vaccine skeptics in the US are also skeptical about masks, distance, moving outside, and covid in general.

If policies on "businesses, schools, and crowds" had been looser, that would not have prompted them to get vaccinated. They'd just say "I told you it was nothing", and go on doing what they were going to do anyway.
I'm pretty sure it's public knowledge that we are dealing witha virus?? a novel one at that.

I could throw some scary mediciny and sciency words at you that would scare everyone...but this is a virus, one that we quite haven't figured out. probably never will. vaccine pot is still boiling though.

masks don't work, zip, nothing. Distance works (of course) and being outside is good.unfortunately humans interact inside and outside, mostly inside. We've become so soft and furry that we need heating and AC.
 
Do you mean, “we” as in the US only would be better? That wasn’t my point. I simply used what I believe the writer meant by “we” —> the world. Given that these variants started in other countries, it’s even more ridiculous to assume these things wouldn’t have happened if the US had a higher vaccination rate. I gave the writer the most forgiving definition of “we” - and the one I believe he meant to use.

The article itself mentions that Chinese leadership believes their vaccination rate isn’t high enough. What hope do free and highly culturally diverse countries have if China can’t manage to accomplish a high enough vaccination rate? No hope.
The Chinese leadership is probably right that their vax rate is too low. Part of the problem is that the Chinese leadership tried pushing low quality vaccines.

Not sure how that applies here. We had high quality vaccines and a low quality public discussion. Not much you can do when 1/3 of the country just flat out ignores the evidence on masks, distance, fresh air, and vaccines.
 
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