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dad4 said:
Nuance?

We’re talking a pretty simple point here. Women’s sports are for women. If you are not actually a woman, you don’t qualify.

Pushing this nonsense is just creating anger at the trans community. A trans female who competes in the men’s division for the love of sport is easy to accept and cheer for. A trans female who takes a woman’s medal will be hated, the same as people hate flight 1 teams who down register to snag the flight 3 trophy.

That doesn’t mean trans athletes can’t play sports. It just means they should enter a competition for which they do qualify, and the rest of us should welcome them when they do.
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Did you read the article? The governor said the proposed bill is too broad in scope, he wants the bill to be more specific. If you read the article you’d know why, it’s pretty simple.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Did you read the article? The governor said the proposed bill is too broad in scope, he wants the bill to be more specific. If you read the article you’d know why, it’s pretty simple.
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I read it. But I am not criticizing the veto. The bill itself may well have been overbroad. I would not know, as I have not read the bill itself.

I am criticizing the inclusion of men into top level women’s sports events. If a person is content to live her life as a woman and go about her business, I support her right to enter the women’s division of the local 10K race and receive her time hoping for a personal best. Best of luck to her.

But, if that same person chooses an event which he can win because he has a testosterone boost and others do not, then he is cheating. He has no right to displace the woman who won the woman’s division of that race.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Did you read the article? The governor said the proposed bill is too broad in scope, he wants the bill to be more specific. If you read the article you’d know why, it’s pretty simple.
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say this again about 20 times and you will see how silly the article is. I wonder what the specificity is going to look like? pre puberty, post puberty. waiting for science and biology to change? You are entrenched in partisan BS. BS is BS, regardless if it's coming out of an elephant or an ass.
 
dad4 said:
Nuance?

We’re talking a pretty simple point here. Women’s sports are for women. If you are not actually a woman, you don’t qualify.

Pushing this nonsense is just creating anger at the trans community. A trans female who competes in the men’s division for the love of sport is easy to accept and cheer for. A trans female who takes a woman’s medal will be hated, the same as people hate flight 1 teams who down register to snag the flight 3 trophy.

That doesn’t mean trans athletes can’t play sports. It just means they should enter a competition for which they do qualify, and the rest of us should welcome them when they do.
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Please cite the law that says women's sports are for biological women only. Please also cite the law that says the NCAA can't implement its own participation requirements. I can't seem to find them anywhere.

Your assertion that "the rest of us should welcome them" is cute, but it disregards reality. Too many people don't want transgender people in sports; they don't want them in their businesses trying to buy cakes, flowers, photography services or anything they don't want to sell them; they don't want them getting married; they certainly don't want them having kids; they don't want them adopting kids; they don't want them being able to pay reduced taxes like traditional married couples; and too many people don't want them alive at all.

Why exactly is it that you're angry with the "trans community" because one trans athlete won a swim race anyway? Transphobia, that is why. Should we also be angry with the "straight community" because straight football players are 9x more likely to rape or beat someone than other students? Or do you think that transgender people would be better off if they just knew their place?
 
what-happened said:
say this again about 20 times and you will see how silly the article is. I wonder what the specificity is going to look like? pre puberty, post puberty. waiting for science and biology to change? You are entrenched in partisan BS. BS is BS, regardless if it's coming out of an elephant or an ass.
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Actually, you are the only one entrenched in partisan b.s. You're the one who refuses to even consider the legitimate reasons why the NCAA allows transgender participation. It would be one thing if you just weighed pros and cons differently than the NCAA, but that is not the case. Husker, on the other hand, has a very good understanding of the legitimate arguments on the other side, but also the bs transphobic ones you and your friends also make.
 
GoldenGate said:
Actually, you are the only one entrenched in partisan b.s. You're the one who refuses to even consider the legitimate reasons why the NCAA allows transgender participation. It would be one thing if you just weighed pros and cons differently than the NCAA, but that is not the case. Husker, on the other hand, has a very good understanding of the legitimate arguments on the other side, but also the bs transphobic ones you and your friends also make.
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Again - for the first time in history, the NCAA used a pace car with a dick in the women's 500 Freestyle national championship race.

BTW, congrats to Virginia Tech's Emma Weyant for winning the women's 500 freestyle and claiming the NCAA women's national champion title. Well done young lady!
 
GoldenGate said:
Please cite the law that says women's sports are for biological women only. Please also cite the law that says the NCAA can't implement its own participation requirements. I can't seem to find them anywhere.

Your assertion that "the rest of us should welcome them" is cute, but it disregards reality. Too many people don't want transgender people in sports; they don't want them in their businesses trying to buy cakes, flowers, photography services or anything they don't want to sell them; they don't want them getting married; they certainly don't want them having kids; they don't want them adopting kids; they don't want them being able to pay reduced taxes like traditional married couples; and too many people don't want them alive at all.

Why exactly is it that you're angry with the "trans community" because one trans athlete won a swim race anyway? Transphobia, that is why. Should we also be angry with the "straight community" because straight football players are 9x more likely to rape or beat someone than other students? Or do you think that transgender people would be better off if they just knew their place?
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Law? I did not say it was a legal question.

I do say that any man who steps onto the podium in a women’s event is a dick.

Which is what this is about. As long as the trans community insists on placing men in women‘s sports, you’re arguing “I am going to be a dick. Now accept me.”

The world doesn’t work like that. If you’re a dick, people shun you.

This is why half the site has you on ignore. They shun you because you’re being a dick.
 
dad4 said:
Law? I did not say it was a legal question.

I do say that any man who steps onto the podium in a women’s event is a dick.

Which is what this is about. As long as the trans community insists on placing men in women‘s sports, you’re arguing “I am going to be a dick. Now accept me.”

The world doesn’t work like that. If you’re a dick, people shun you.

This is why half the site has you on ignore. They shun you because you’re being a dick.
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Succinctly put. My only question is, is they being a dick or a pussy? I think we have to be careful there not to offend anyone.
 
dad4 said:
Law? I did not say it was a legal question.

I do say that any man who steps onto the podium in a women’s event is a dick.

Which is what this is about. As long as the trans community insists on placing men in women‘s sports, you’re arguing “I am going to be a dick. Now accept me.”

The world doesn’t work like that. If you’re a dick, people shun you.

This is why half the site has you on ignore. They shun you because you’re being a dick.
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Why are you lumping the entire "trans community" into something that only a handful of trans individuals have ever wanted to do? Do all football players support rape and domestic violence because some of them engage in it?

What this is really about is the terrible manner in which too many people have treated transgender people, so the NCAA is doing something about it. College sports is just a game, and someone's hurt feelings that they came in second place in a swim meet is inconsequential compared to the NCAA's reasons.

There are people who shun me because they are dicks so I give them what they deserve. The only people being dicks here are the ones who refuse to even acknowledge that there are legitimate reasons the NCAA, the IOC, and most sports governing bodies are doing what they're doing. It's one thing to believe the cons outweigh the pros, but you and your dick friends aren't even willing to listen. And if I'm such a bad guy, why is it that the NCAA, the IOC, and most sports governing bodies agree with me?
 
MicPaPa said:
Again - for the first time in history, the NCAA used a pace car with a dick in the women's 500 Freestyle national championship race.

BTW, congrats to Virginia Tech's Emma Weyant for winning the women's 500 freestyle and claiming the NCAA women's national champion title. Well done young lady!
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It is great to see people like you validating why the NCAA is doing what it's doing. I am thoroughly enjoying watching all of you throwing fits like little babies.
 
It's interesting how many of the far left's policies either ignore or don't understand cause and effect. The message is more important than the impacts. Females are the biggest victims of woke policies. Not sure why they favor biological males over females.

There is an odd element of misogyny that seems to infect leftists.
 
GoldenGate said:
Actually, you are the only one entrenched in partisan b.s. You're the one who refuses to even consider the legitimate reasons why the NCAA allows transgender participation. It would be one thing if you just weighed pros and cons differently than the NCAA, but that is not the case. Husker, on the other hand, has a very good understanding of the legitimate arguments on the other side, but also the bs transphobic ones you and your friends also make.
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As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about - blowing smoke out of your 4th point of contact...nice job. I'm even willing to give the NCAA a chance next year if they are willing play by the rules - which they didn't this year. In their defense (which I hesitate to do), the NCAA did the fair thing and allowed thomas to swim. Calling me transphobic is laughable at best but entertaining.

Get back to me when you understand chromosomes, puberty, hormones and all of that stuff. The NCAA needs to step up and properly address this issue...or not..
 
GoldenGate said:
Why are you lumping the entire "trans community" into something that only a handful of trans individuals have ever wanted to do? Do all football players support rape and domestic violence because some of them engage in it?

What this is really about is the terrible manner in which too many people have treated transgender people, so the NCAA is doing something about it. College sports is just a game, and someone's hurt feelings that they came in second place in a swim meet is inconsequential compared to the NCAA's reasons.

There are people who shun me because they are dicks so I give them what they deserve. The only people being dicks here are the ones who refuse to even acknowledge that there are legitimate reasons the NCAA, the IOC, and most sports governing bodies are doing what they're doing. It's one thing to believe the cons outweigh the pros, but you and your dick friends aren't even willing to listen. And if I'm such a bad guy, why is it that the NCAA, the IOC, and most sports governing bodies agree with me?
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Oh please, the NCAA has never been motivated until now to properly address the trans athlete community. Now that this is in the spotlight and student athletes are voicing their opinions, the NCAA will try and do something. In this case, bad press is bad press..
 
watfly said:
It's interesting how many of the far left's policies either ignore or don't understand cause and effect. The message is more important than the impacts. Females are the biggest victims of woke policies. Not sure why they favor biological males over females.

There is an odd element of misogyny that seems to infect leftists.
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The NCAA is not "far left". The IOC is not "far left". Nice try attempting to reclassify trans women as misogynistic men. That's really funny.

Both of those entities fully understand how its policies impact women's sports. Unlike you, they actually weighed the pros and cons and have reached a reasoned decision, which they continue to modify over time as they deem necessary. Do I feel bad for the Virginia swimmer who came in second? Not really. She has lived a life of privilege, is getting a free education and has the opportunity to swim for the USA when the trans swimmer does not (yet). She's doing fine. It's just a race, and who wins is just not that important.
 
GoldenGate said:
The NCAA is not "far left". The IOC is not "far left". Nice try attempting to reclassify trans women as misogynistic men. That's really funny.

Both of those entities fully understand how its policies impact women's sports. Unlike you, they actually weighed the pros and cons and have reached a reasoned decision, which they continue to modify over time as they deem necessary. Do I feel bad for the Virginia swimmer who came in second? Not really. She has lived a life of privilege, is getting a free education and has the opportunity to swim for the USA when the trans swimmer does not (yet). She's doing fine. It's just a race, and who wins is just not that important.
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Thanks for proving my point.
 
what-happened said:
Oh please, the NCAA has never been motivated until now to properly address the trans athlete community. Now that this is in the spotlight and student athletes are voicing their opinions, the NCAA will try and do something. In this case, bad press is bad press..
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Yeah, you're a real hero for the transgender community. In reality, the NCAA first implemented its policy allowing transgender participation over a decade ago dumb shit, and it did so after considering a substantial amount of guidance from trans community members and conducting a substantial amount of research.

It is only in the spotlight now because someone won at the D1 level, causing hysterical transphobes to lose their minds. OMG, the world must be ending now that one transgender player in history has one an NCAA title in something, right? It is so unfair that transgender people have all the advantages in life, right? I guess that's the end of women's sports like all you clowns predicted would happen when the NCAA first began allowing transgender participation over a decade ago. It's totally over for women's sports.
 
GoldenGate said:
The NCAA is not "far left". The IOC is not "far left". Nice try attempting to reclassify trans women as misogynistic men. That's really funny.

Both of those entities fully understand how its policies impact women's sports. Unlike you, they actually weighed the pros and cons and have reached a reasoned decision, which they continue to modify over time as they deem necessary. Do I feel bad for the Virginia swimmer who came in second? Not really. She has lived a life of privilege, is getting a free education and has the opportunity to swim for the USA when the trans swimmer does not (yet). She's doing fine. It's just a race, and who wins is just not that important.
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How did that trans swimmer do in competition prior to transitioning?
 
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