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what-happened said:
It is bold, and so far effective....doesn't mean it's right. You can put your head in whatever crevice you desire, but the fact that Russia has been able to pull off (so far) a complex military operation is quite suprising to many. You are too stoopid to do an unbiased analysis of anything, it's why we like you and why you fly the clown flag so vigoruously. How this ends is still unclear. But you go right ahead and turn to another page in your play book, identify your prepared passage, and respond. Let me guess - master, trump, nutter will be sprinkled liberally throughout.

You should really check your history on size of militaries, nations, and outcomes. The least you can do is come to the table educated and coherent.

Unfortunately for the Ukranians, there will be no russian peacekeeping. The other stuff you pecked away to describe is jibberish.
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Again, he voted for a senile babbling idiot - what are you expecting?
 
watfly said:
Can't Biden just hit the reset button?

All sarcasm aside, I hope these sanctions have an impact and I hope they follow through with getting Europe less dependent on Russian energy.
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Doubtful. Looks like the failure to get Europe on board to cut off Russia from swift or to do tough energy sanctions is going to encourage him. Some reports indicate the Russians will be in Kiev in one or two days. The only thing that will hurt at this point is if the us furnished weapons particularly handheld surface to air over the polish and Romanian borders but that will escalate things between us. There is a more than non zero chance of a nuclear exchange building…if not over Ukraine then over Taiwan (its obvious at this point the Moscow Beijing Tehran axis is a thing) the Baltic’s or Sweden. Not necessarily tomorrow but in the near future.
 
Grace T. said:
Doubtful. Looks like the failure to get Europe on board to cut off Russia from swift or to do tough energy sanctions is going to encourage him. Some reports indicate the Russians will be in Kiev in one or two days. The only thing that will hurt at this point is if the us furnished weapons particularly handheld surface to air over the polish and Romanian borders but that will escalate things between us. There is a more than non zero chance of a nuclear exchange building…if not over Ukraine then over Taiwan (its obvious at this point the Moscow Beijing Tehran axis is a thing) the Baltic’s or Sweden. Not necessarily tomorrow but in the near future.
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WRT Swift - SPFS - Wikipedia - no doubt Putin has a plan for this.

I would expect the Ukrainians to blow the crap out of every pipeline going through the Ukraine & Belarus. I know I would if I were them.

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whatithink said:
WRT Swift - SPFS - Wikipedia - no doubt Putin has a plan for this.

I would expect the Ukrainians to blow the crap out of every pipeline going through the Ukraine & Belarus. I know I would if I were them.

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Biden talked yesterday about how we all have to make sacrifices (no doubt to deflect from the higher food and energy prices that will come). But it’s becoming apparent (and will be crystal clear to Putin) that the west was not really prepared to make any major sacrifice here given the number of exemptions. The biggest sacrifices seem to come from taiwan (which banned semiconductors) and our own and European elites carved out a bunch of exemptions which seem to largely benefit them (unless you believe that trickles down to the rest of us) including:

-the Germans and German banks in particular objected to removing Russia from swift
-energy is largely
exempt from the sanctions and the exceptions are so broad they even cover wood
-Europe could have frozen the accounts and seized yachts moored in the med of Russian nongovernmental oligarchs but declined
-they could have frozen education visas but universities both here and in Europe objected
-the Italians even exempted luxury shoes and purses from the eu sanctions

but yeah we can light up the Brandenburg gate to show solidarity.

one possible way out is that Ukraine is sending out feelers to accept the finlandization of Ukraine. If that doesn’t happen Kiev falls in a day or two and we see a protracted low or high grade guerila war and the question becomes what the us will do to arm them (which may result in an escalation).
 
what-happened said:
It is bold, and so far effective....doesn't mean it's right. You can put your head in whatever crevice you desire, but the fact that Russia has been able to pull off (so far) a complex military operation is quite suprising to many. You are too stoopid to do an unbiased analysis of anything, it's why we like you and why you fly the clown flag so vigoruously. How this ends is still unclear. But you go right ahead and turn to another page in your play book, identify your prepared passage, and respond. Let me guess - master, trump, nutter will be sprinkled liberally throughout.

You should really check your history on size of militaries, nations, and outcomes. The least you can do is come to the table educated and coherent.

Unfortunately for the Ukranians, there will be no russian peacekeeping. The other stuff you pecked away to describe is jibberish.
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If it is unclear how this ends, why are you and your buddies trashing our current administration despite admitting you don't know a thing? You can't even figure out how to get your own daughter recruited and also seem the think that driving 100 miles to Modesto to play 13 year old girls makes good geographical sense. Yet here you are claiming you're a foreign policy expert over people who actually are.

I do know who isn't one, however, besides you and your trumpy friends of course. Specifically, when you say everything I said is jibberish, you're right, because it is what your master says. The same guy, in fact, who thinks the Pentagon ordered our Navy Seals to stage their own amphibious assault on Ukraine and then gave Laura the scoop. That is your man. It's also great to hear the two of them mocking the Ukranian president's plea for help as "pathetic". We really need their friend Marge's Jewish space lasers to change their target from California forests to Northern Ukraine, and pronto. Maybe Moscow Mitch can tie up more legislation, since we all know that will put Putin in his place.
 
GoldenGate said:
If it is unclear how this ends, why are you and your buddies trashing our current administration despite admitting you don't know a thing? You can't even figure out how to get your own daughter recruited and also seem the think that driving 100 miles to Modesto to play 13 year old girls makes good geographical sense. Yet here you are claiming you're a foreign policy expert over people who actually are.

I do know who isn't one, however, besides you and your trumpy friends of course. Specifically, when you say everything I said is jibberish, you're right, because it is what your master says. The same guy, in fact, who thinks the Pentagon ordered our Navy Seals to stage their own amphibious assault on Ukraine and then gave Laura the scoop. That is your man. It's also great to hear the two of them mocking the Ukranian president's plea for help as "pathetic". We really need their friend Marge's Jewish space lasers to change their target from California forests to Northern Ukraine, and pronto. Maybe Moscow Mitch can tie up more legislation, since we all know that will put Putin in his place.
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wut? Modesto? at least you gave it a good try.
 
Grace T. said:
Biden talked yesterday about how we all have to make sacrifices (no doubt to deflect from the higher food and energy prices that will come). But it’s becoming apparent (and will be crystal clear to Putin) that the west was not really prepared to make any major sacrifice here given the number of exemptions. The biggest sacrifices seem to come from taiwan (which banned semiconductors) and our own and European elites carved out a bunch of exemptions which seem to largely benefit them (unless you believe that trickles down to the rest of us) including:

-the Germans and German banks in particular objected to removing Russia from swift
-energy is largely
exempt from the sanctions and the exceptions are so broad they even cover wood
-Europe could have frozen the accounts and seized yachts moored in the med of Russian nongovernmental oligarchs but declined
-they could have frozen education visas but universities both here and in Europe objected
-the Italians even exempted luxury shoes and purses from the eu sanctions

but yeah we can light up the Brandenburg gate to show solidarity.

one possible way out is that Ukraine is sending out feelers to accept the finlandization of Ukraine. If that doesn’t happen Kiev falls in a day or two and we see a protracted low or high grade guerila war and the question becomes what the us will do to arm them (which may result in an escalation).
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Putin has been playing the long game, e.g. the creation of the Swift alternative started in 2014. He has developed his allegiance with China and India gets 70% of its imported defense capabilities from Russia along with advanced technology. He has rebuilt his military using the West's money, and played along with the West, through multiple governments and administrations, as they are bound by their terms in office and he is bound by how long he feels like staying in charge.

He's, quite reasonably, reasoned that nobody will go to war over Ukraine, Crimea proved that. Sanctions, as they are, are no more than inconvenient. The West is more interested in trade than anything else. After a period, there will be some discussions (see Minsk II) and everyone gets back to "normal".

The article below lays out some thoughts on it, making the point that cutting Russia off from Swift and banning oil & gas will have a more detrimental impact on Europe than Russia, certainly in the short term. The UK has also shown zero inclination to clean up the City of London and the Crown protectorates that are the primary money launderers for everything, not least the Russian Oligarchs.

Western powers have realised Russia is largely immune to sanctions | Russia | The Guardian

The Ukrainians best hope is to make the Ukraine into Chechnya II, and that's not a pretty path.
 
Attention you all. The Vaccine Thread is now closed until the Fall or until the Fall of the Cabal, whichever comes first. Stay safe everyone and I mean that. Here are some helpful tips from me :) Klause just said that he expects a huge cyber plandemic attacks on the horizon so be prepared for no electricity and have food saved up. Follow Q on TRUTH SOCIAL. Lot's of TRUTH is coming and will be dripping out. The MOABs will be coming. Love you all my fellow Americans. I hope some of you care for me and others like me in America, as much as you seem to care about the Senator's Sons dealings and the peeps in Kiev. They ain't the only one's over there making money. I think it's wise to all sit back and not judge during this "Special Military Operation" that Russia is doing. Let's get back over here you guys and focus on US, not them. Yes, gas will go up to $7, but don;t you even try to blame that shit on Ukraine. Get your ass back here and let's fix what WE GOT, not what's over there to protect. I am shocked with some of you. The next [-21] days will shock you all.
 
Grace T. said:
This makes it official. It's done. See you guys in the funny papers. And don't think this hasn't been a little slice of heaven [because it hasn't].

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Normal is back just like that. Like I said, most of my pals are just like the folks on SNL. I say, "not so fast." Some of us got fired, lost income and lost our small businesses. I think we owe them one big, "I am so sorry I was wrong about all this. I was blind but now I see. Please forgive me and here's $10,000,000 for all your troubles." I will take that right now and never come to the forum ever again.
 
Grace T. said:
This makes it official. It's done. See you guys in the funny papers. And don't think this hasn't been a little slice of heaven [because it hasn't].

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At least this thread is named after the one thing that actually made a difference besides staying the hell away from other people. I wonder when Santa Clara will actually lift the mask mandate. Like LA, they are ahead of the curve.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
At least this thread is named after the one thing that actually made a difference besides staying the hell away from other people. I wonder when Santa Clara will actually lift the mask mandate. Like LA, they are ahead of the curve.
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I think SCC lifts it next week. Mar 02.

Still required on transit, and for unvaccinated. No word on how they enforce the latter.
 
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