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espola said:
This story about the land just down the creek from where we live now ties in with the Sycuan story. After the Kreutzer family all went to jail for murdering the son-in-law, their Big Oak Ranch property was put on the market. The tribe bought it in the late 80's and converted it to 8 big houses for tribal families plus a playground and a tribal education center.

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Kreutzer's Wife, 2 Sons Plead Guilty in Murder

The wife and two sons of Big Oak Ranch owner Herman G.
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Yeah I remember that. I grew up just up the road from there but had moved out in 1979. I didn’t know any of those people but knew the vibe around there (Harbison Canyon or Harbo as we called it) had always been bad. Druggies, drunks and violence.
 
This is a good read as it relates to events in Canada.

When it comes to distant and adversarial countries, we are taught to recognize tyranny through the use of telltale tactics of repression. Dissent from orthodoxies is censored. Protests against the state are outlawed. Dissenters are harshly punished with no due process. Long prison terms are doled out for political transgressions rather than crimes of violence. Journalists are treated as criminals and spies. Opposition to the policies of political leaders are recast as crimes against the state.

When a government that is adverse to the West engages in such conduct, it is not just easy but obligatory to malign it as despotic. Thus can one find, on a virtually daily basis, articles in the Western press citing the government's use of those tactics in Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela and whatever other countries the West has an interest in disparaging (articles about identical tactics from regimes supported by the West — from Riyadh to Cairo — are much rarer). That the use of these repressive tactics render these countries and their populations subject to autocratic regimes is considered undebatable.

But when these weapons are wielded by Western governments, the precise opposite framework is imposed: describing them as despotic is no longer obligatory but virtually prohibited. That tyranny exists only in Western adversaries but never in the West itself is treated as a permanent axiom of international affairs, as if Western democracies are divinely shielded from the temptations of genuine repression. Indeed, to suggest that a Western democracy has descended to the same level of authoritarian repression as the West's official enemies is to assert a proposition deemed intrinsically absurd or even vaguely treasonous.

The implicit guarantor of this comforting framework is democracy.
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Watching Justin Trudeau — the sweet, well-mannered, well-raised good-boy prince of one of the West's nicest countries featuring such a pretty visage (even on the numerous occasions when marred by blackface) — invoke and then harshly impose dubious emergency, civil-liberties-denying powers is just the latest swing of the hammer causing this Western sculpture to crumble. In sum, you are required by Western propaganda to treat the two images below as fundamentally different; indeed, huge numbers of people in the West vehemently denounce the one on the left while enthusiastically applauding the one on the right. Such brittle mythology can be sustained only for so long:




greenwald.substack.com

The Neoliberal War on Dissent in the West

Those who most flamboyantly proclaim that they are fighting fascists continue to embrace and wield the defining weapons of despotism.
greenwald.substack.com greenwald.substack.com
 
Grace T. said:
Things aren’t as bad as they are going to get economy wise. The fed really has no choice at this point given the Ukraine. The 70s are back baby!

and for the record y’all I nailed the Ukraine dates within 24 hours. Given my track record, it should worry y’all that I’m more worried about a nuclear exchange over the Baltic’s, Taiwan or Sweden than I am about climate change, the cylons, or the smod.

a fun theory that’s been going around is the dad got tired of the game after the us won the Cold War and handed the game off to his kid who experimented with a few invasions, a plague and now this.
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Desert Hound said:
This is a good read as it relates to events in Canada.

When it comes to distant and adversarial countries, we are taught to recognize tyranny through the use of telltale tactics of repression. Dissent from orthodoxies is censored. Protests against the state are outlawed. Dissenters are harshly punished with no due process. Long prison terms are doled out for political transgressions rather than crimes of violence. Journalists are treated as criminals and spies. Opposition to the policies of political leaders are recast as crimes against the state.

When a government that is adverse to the West engages in such conduct, it is not just easy but obligatory to malign it as despotic. Thus can one find, on a virtually daily basis, articles in the Western press citing the government's use of those tactics in Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela and whatever other countries the West has an interest in disparaging (articles about identical tactics from regimes supported by the West — from Riyadh to Cairo — are much rarer). That the use of these repressive tactics render these countries and their populations subject to autocratic regimes is considered undebatable.

But when these weapons are wielded by Western governments, the precise opposite framework is imposed: describing them as despotic is no longer obligatory but virtually prohibited. That tyranny exists only in Western adversaries but never in the West itself is treated as a permanent axiom of international affairs, as if Western democracies are divinely shielded from the temptations of genuine repression. Indeed, to suggest that a Western democracy has descended to the same level of authoritarian repression as the West's official enemies is to assert a proposition deemed intrinsically absurd or even vaguely treasonous.

The implicit guarantor of this comforting framework is democracy.
--

Watching Justin Trudeau — the sweet, well-mannered, well-raised good-boy prince of one of the West's nicest countries featuring such a pretty visage (even on the numerous occasions when marred by blackface) — invoke and then harshly impose dubious emergency, civil-liberties-denying powers is just the latest swing of the hammer causing this Western sculpture to crumble. In sum, you are required by Western propaganda to treat the two images below as fundamentally different; indeed, huge numbers of people in the West vehemently denounce the one on the left while enthusiastically applauding the one on the right. Such brittle mythology can be sustained only for so long:




greenwald.substack.com

The Neoliberal War on Dissent in the West

Those who most flamboyantly proclaim that they are fighting fascists continue to embrace and wield the defining weapons of despotism.
greenwald.substack.com greenwald.substack.com
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I love it. Canada is the authoritarian despotic government compared to Russia because you don't like the fact that its country's elected officials are using laws enacted through a democratic process by legislators who were also elected by the people, all of whom may be removed at any time through democratic process if they don't like the laws that were implemented by the very people they voted for.

Meanwhile, Russia isn't so bad in comparison although it is run by an actual despot who was not elected by the people and routinely murders those who dissent including members of the media and political dissenters, and who is invading a country right now.

You don't even understand what democracy is, do you? Democracy is not whining like a little baby that actual elected officials enacted laws that you don't like. You don't even understand that you're just an unwitting stooge who is supporting autocracy.
 
GoldenGate said:
I love it. Canada is the authoritarian despotic government compared to Russia because you don't like the fact that its country's elected officials are using laws enacted through a democratic process by legislators who were also elected by the people, all of whom may be removed at any time through democratic process if they don't like the laws that were implemented by the very people they voted for.

Meanwhile, Russia isn't so bad in comparison although it is run by an actual despot who was not elected by the people and routinely murders those who dissent including members of the media and political dissenters, and who is invading a country right now.

You don't even understand what democracy is, do you? Democracy is not whining like a little baby that actual elected officials enacted laws that you don't like. You don't even understand that you're just an unwitting stooge who is supporting autocracy.
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That type reaction has been cultivated over the years through misinformation and propaganda operations like all the bot activities in support of trump in 2016.
 
dad4 said:
A democracy of 44 million people was just invaded.

Time to put the red and blue hats away for a bit. We need to work together to help them.
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We aren't the problem....our allies are....Germany supposedly veto more severe energy sanctions and kicking Russia off the Swift system.
 
Grace T. said:
We aren't the problem....our allies are....Germany supposedly veto more severe energy sanctions and kicking Russia off the Swift system.
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Apparently, the Russians have been working on a substitute system for Swift since 2014 (sanctions hit them) and have something that will allow them to continue to send international transfers, albeit not as easily as Swift. So it would be inconvenient to Russia, but not much more.

Meanwhile in the UK's capital city, otherwise known as Londongrad given the volume of Russian oligarchs that live there and clean their money through the city, Boris is on the case - & the Conservatives are well acquainted with the Russians, God knows they've taken enough money off them (political donations and for Brexit which Putin was all in favor of).
 
espola said:
By "we" I assume you are not including all you t fans.
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Again, Husker is doing the troll thing better. I took dad 4 at his word...."we" is the blue and red hats....literally what he was talking about...."we" as in "Americans". You chose to immediately after he called for unity to go full out Trump derangement syndrome. Thereby almost immediately disproving what dad4 was talking about. Tiresome and predictable. It's not even good trolling.

p.s. I dispute that Ukraine is wholly a democracy....it's a bit of a kleptocracy with some dictatorial and democratic tendencies mixed in....still the principle is one stated doesn't invade another, regardless of form of government, as the first gulf war and Kuwait illustrates.
 
Grace T. said:
Again, Husker is doing the troll thing better. I took dad 4 at his word...."we" is the blue and red hats....literally what he was talking about...."we" as in "Americans". You chose to immediately after he called for unity to go full out Trump derangement syndrome. Thereby almost immediately disproving what dad4 was talking about. Tiresome and predictable. It's not even good trolling.

p.s. I dispute that Ukraine is wholly a democracy....it's a bit of a kleptocracy with some dictatorial and democratic tendencies mixed in....still the principle is one stated doesn't invade another, regardless of form of government, as the first gulf war and Kuwait illustrates.
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FYI - Next tiresome and predictable moment - he'll go full "whiney bitch" about your ad hominems.
 
Grace T. said:
Again, Husker is doing the troll thing better. I took dad 4 at his word...."we" is the blue and red hats....literally what he was talking about...."we" as in "Americans". You chose to immediately after he called for unity to go full out Trump derangement syndrome. Thereby almost immediately disproving what dad4 was talking about. Tiresome and predictable. It's not even good trolling.

p.s. I dispute that Ukraine is wholly a democracy....it's a bit of a kleptocracy with some dictatorial and democratic tendencies mixed in....still the principle is one stated doesn't invade another, regardless of form of government, as the first gulf war and Kuwait illustrates.
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Have you passed this by Tucker and the GOP leadership today? They still prefer Putin to Biden.
 
espola said:
Have you passed this by Tucker and the GOP leadership today? They still prefer Putin to Biden.
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Meh....again your trolling is slipping. McConnell BTW just issued a statement that we need to rally behind Ukraine so once again you aren't even being a really good troll so what is the "GOP leadership". It's certainly not Tucker (what BTW is his position that you are attacking...haven't seen anything)
 
Grace T. said:
Again, Husker is doing the troll thing better. I took dad 4 at his word...."we" is the blue and red hats....literally what he was talking about...."we" as in "Americans". You chose to immediately after he called for unity to go full out Trump derangement syndrome. Thereby almost immediately disproving what dad4 was talking about. Tiresome and predictable. It's not even good trolling.

p.s. I dispute that Ukraine is wholly a democracy....it's a bit of a kleptocracy with some dictatorial and democratic tendencies mixed in....still the principle is one stated doesn't invade another, regardless of form of government, as the first gulf war and Kuwait illustrates.
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You would know that Ukraine is not wholly a democracy, since you went to a law school that had a professor who provided guidance on the proposed Ukranian constitution, which you then embellished to the point of claiming you wrote it. Remember?

This is so great. Canada is an enemy to democracy. Germany is an enemy to democracy. And now the country that just got invaded is an enemy of democracy. You and your friends have just spent the last four days blaming everyone but the actual autocratic despot who invaded a country - including the country he invaded - of being anti-democracy.
 
Grace T. said:
Meh....again your trolling is slipping. McConnell BTW just issued a statement that we need to rally behind Ukraine so once again you aren't even being a really good troll so what is the "GOP leadership". It's certainly not Tucker (what BTW is his position that you are attacking...haven't seen anything)
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Tucker's monologs are being replayed in Russia with Russian subtitles.

T, Stefanik, Graham, Hawley, etc are more critical of Biden than Putin in this crisis.

Please continue. This is delightful.
 
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