Vaccine

[dad4]

Oh please.......Spare us and get real bro. This is what you wanted and now you have to choose Barry or Joe? You chose Vax so I'm sure you will want Mandy

The music and entertainment industry leans left and is prone to group think. NorCalDad’s scenario is certainly possible.

Don’t count it as what I want, though. What I’d prefer is media outlets which exercise editorial judgement, and I’m not going to get that. At most, we’ll get a further fracturing of the landscape, with conservatives on Spotify and liberals somewhere else, each trying to shut the other down.

 

[dad4]

You don't need an experiment when you have clear real world results. We can quibble about percentages and semantics about "effectiveness", but its plainly obvious that vaccinations have not prevented community spread.

Really?

How is it “obvious” that vaccinated people are a significant source of omicron transmission?

There is an alternate possibility- that omicron is spreading primarily among the unvaccinated, and from the unvaccinated to the vaccinated. I don’t see how you dismiss that hypothesis without quite a bit of work.

 

[Kicker 2.0]

Really?

How is it “obvious” that vaccinated people are a significant source of omicron transmission?

There is an alternate possibility- that omicron is spreading primarily among the unvaccinated, and from the unvaccinated to the vaccinated. I don’t see how you dismiss that hypothesis without quite a bit of work.

You must be joking?

I myself got O from a vax’d and boosted friend. Everyone in my office is vaxx’d and all but 2 people have gotten O at different times since the holidays.

Everyone in my peer group is Vax’d. All but 1 have gotten O in January.

 

[watfly]

Really?

How is it “obvious” that vaccinated people are a significant source of omicron transmission?

There is an alternate possibility- that omicron is spreading primarily among the unvaccinated, and from the unvaccinated to the vaccinated. I don’t see how you dismiss that hypothesis without quite a bit of work.

Gold medal mental gymnastics. How do you determine the "source" when the virus is inherent in our environment? Where do you draw the line and say the source starts here? Reality is "patient zero" is the source which at that point everyone was unvaccinated, that ship has sailed. The source is irrelevant in terms of community spread when the vaccinated have no trouble spreading the virus. Vaccinate everyone and the virus is still inherent and will be spread.

 

[Ellejustus]

You don't need an experiment when you have clear real world results. We can quibble about percentages and semantics about "effectiveness", but its plainly obvious that vaccinations have not prevented community spread.

Or, PAINFULLY OBVIOUS

 

[baldref]

You must be joking?

I myself got O from a vax’d and boosted friend. Everyone in my office is vaxx’d and all but 2 people have gotten O at different times since the holidays.

Everyone in my peer group is Vax’d. All but 1 have gotten O in January.

This is the reality. Like it or not, it is reality.

 

[Ellejustus]

The music and entertainment industry leans left and is prone to group think. NorCalDad’s scenario is certainly possible.

Don’t count it as what I want, though. What I’d prefer is media outlets which exercise editorial judgement, and I’m not going to get that. At most, we’ll get a further fracturing of the landscape, with conservatives on Spotify and liberals somewhere else, each trying to shut the other down.

I want....

 

[Ellejustus]

 

[watfly]

It's going to be interesting to see how this Spotify thing plays out. Could just be a flash in the pan, but if more artists follow suit it could literally take down Spotify. The pressure could be too much for their board / stock holders. The other interesting thing about this "cancel" attempt is its free market driven. Neil Young is within his rights to say he doesn't want to have his music on their platform and users are within their rights to cancel their membership. There could be a downward spiral effect where other less political users cancel because their favorite musicians have left. This is definitely different than a platform proactively removing users (Orange Man on Twitter for example). You can't even add regulation here. Time for some popcorn.

In today's times Rogan is relevant and Neil Young is irrelevant. Easy decision for Spotify. Credit to Neil Young for at least putting his money where his mouth is, although Young didn't seem to care about the message he was sending when he performed with a rock of cocaine hanging out of his nose, or all those years of well known illicit drug use and alcohol abuse. The irony is comical, at least he is sober now. I seriously doubt that this will open the floodgates to follow Young's lead. In fact, if it does I suspect any losses will be offset by driving new listeners to Rogan as a result of the publicity.

 

[what-happened]

In today's times Rogan is relevant and Neil Young is irrelevant. Easy decision for Spotify. Credit to Neil Young for at least putting his money where his mouth is, although Young didn't seem to care about the message he was sending when he performed with a rock of cocaine hanging out of his nose, or all those years of well known illicit drug use and alcohol abuse. The irony is comical, at least he is sober now. I seriously doubt that this will open the floodgates to follow Young's lead. In fact, if it does I suspect any losses will be offset by driving new listeners to Rogan as a result of the publicity.

This is a dub for rogan. in today's new cycle and the average age of a spotify user, this "event" is well beyond the rear view mirrow. Good on mr. young...even though this falls into the "good initiate, bad judgement" category.

 

[whatithink]

In today's times Rogan is relevant and Neil Young is irrelevant. Easy decision for Spotify. Credit to Neil Young for at least putting his money where his mouth is, although Young didn't seem to care about the message he was sending when he performed with a rock of cocaine hanging out of his nose, or all those years of well known illicit drug use and alcohol abuse. The irony is comical, at least he is sober now. I seriously doubt that this will open the floodgates to follow Young's lead. In fact, if it does I suspect any losses will be offset by driving new listeners to Rogan as a result of the publicity.

I'm not sure Neil Young put much money on the table. He has the neilyoungarchives site where he has streaming, and he makes his money via touring, or just playing a few gigs (as all big artists do these days), so financially this was a "meh" to him I expect. By the by, NY dinged his record label (Warner) and asked them to have the songs taken down, and they in turn asked Spotify. The latter probably reasoned what they make from NY versus Rogan is night & day. Rogan has 11M subscribers and is on a $100M contract. There was only one "winner" in this.

Spotify is moving towards being an audio platform, with podcasts being key to that. They want subscribers and weekly podcasts (new content) make a lot more sense that an artist that might bring out a new song/album every few years.

 

[what-happened]

Really?

How is it “obvious” that vaccinated people are a significant source of omicron transmission?

There is an alternate possibility- that omicron is spreading primarily among the unvaccinated, and from the unvaccinated to the vaccinated. I don’t see how you dismiss that hypothesis without quite a bit of work.

ummm

 

[Ellejustus]

In today's times Rogan is relevant and Neil Young is irrelevant. Easy decision for Spotify. Credit to Neil Young for at least putting his money where his mouth is, although Young didn't seem to care about the message he was sending when he performed with a rock of cocaine hanging out of his nose, or all those years of well known illicit drug use and alcohol abuse. The irony is comical, at least he is sober now. I seriously doubt that this will open the floodgates to follow Young's lead. In fact, if it does I suspect any losses will be offset by driving new listeners to Rogan as a result of the publicity.

LSD did do wonders for America in the 60s and 70s if you got a hit of "Orange Sunshine" out of Laguna Canyon. It stopped the Vietnam War. Millions and millions of "trips of love" were made in Laguna by Timothy and the Brotherhood of Eternal Love and handed out for free. Shrooms and other natural plants like Peyote can help some people understand the divine better and see their shadow. I would go with a known medicine doctor or a shaman who knows what to do. The wrong batch can also cause one to jump off a cliff or kill himself. I knew a guy that thought he could fly and he jumped and died. It was bad LSD lased with poison or bath soap. That one guy in Florida was high on bath salt and killed his number by ___________________________________________ his face. I dont want to share but he said later he thought he was a Chimp.

 

[Ellejustus]

This is a dub for rogan. in today's new cycle and the average age of a spotify user, this "event" is well beyond the rear view mirrow. Good on mr. young...even though this falls into the "good initiate, bad judgement" category.

I like his music in old days. I don;t like his either or attitude of today, but that's what we were all taught from birth. It's just showing it;s true self. Either you obey or your fired.

 

[watfly]

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When someone has to bribe you to do something that's a big red flag that what they want you to do might not be in your best interest. While I think getting a vaccine is in most people's best interest, the messaging may lead you to believe otherwise. Personally I don't think the vaccination is the biggest issue in terms of vaccine hesitancy, I think the messaging around the vaccine has been the biggest problem.

 

[Ellejustus]

Personally I don't think the vaccination is the biggest issue in terms of vaccine hesitancy, I think the messaging around the vaccine has been the biggest problem.

I love you because we can disagree to disagree and still respect each other. I am more emotional then you and that's ok because most men are a mess right now and have zero emotion or feelings of empathy towards other bad luck. I told the Ladies I hang out that complain about "where are all the good men?" I tell them that the good men are tired and worn out and need a freaking break from all this hell and pressure to keep up with the Jones. This place needs a re-boot, Agree? The ladies are waiting.......

 

[dad4]

You must be joking?

I myself got O from a vax’d and boosted friend. Everyone in my office is vaxx’d and all but 2 people have gotten O at different times since the holidays.

Everyone in my peer group is Vax’d. All but 1 have gotten O in January.

Not joking at all.

Unvaccinated people may be uncommon in some places, but they make up a large fraction of currently infectious people.

For SCC, unvaccinated are 15% of the population. But they test positive at almost 6x the rate of everyone else. The net effect is that about half of all new infections are unvaccinated people.

Then remember that vaccinated people spend less time at peak viral load. With that, more than half of currently infectious people are unvaccinated. Far more than half if you live in a county with a lower vax rate.

Given that, it's entirely possible you and your friends got omicron from unvaccinated people who just happen to like the same bar, restaurant, coffee shop, or gym as you do. There are lots of infected unvaccinated people, you enjoy indoor establishments, and omicron is very contagious.

That is not proof or even close, but it certainly isn't obvious the other way, either.

 

[dad4]

ummm

Put it this way, I don't see a case that it is "obvious" that R for vax to vax is above 1.

Not obvious that it is below 1, either.

 

[soccersc]

Really?

How is it “obvious” that vaccinated people are a significant source of omicron transmission?

There is an alternate possibility- that omicron is spreading primarily among the unvaccinated, and from the unvaccinated to the vaccinated. I don’t see how you dismiss that hypothesis without quite a bit of work.

Do you really believe what you say? I get the feeling you just fish for some sort of response...he never even said "significant" source. Why does it even matter the source at this point. The virus spreads to vaccinated and unvaccinated, variants will never end, the vaccine is not as effective as they thought it would be, if you want to get a booster every 6 months you will probably have less symptoms and stay out of the hospital. How hard is that to understand. I am not sure how you can argue any of those points still.

I just wonder what you think about the fact they originally said if you get vaccinated you wont get covid and then they said you can't spread it, they were wrong about both! They had no idea, it is experimental, they were wrong and its only been 2 years.... doesn't that make you wonder what will happen in 10-15 years? If they were so wrong about the short term what gives you confidence that they are going to be correct about the long term? I am really interested in what you think about that???

 

[watfly]

The net effect is that about half of all new infections are unvaccinated people.

And the other half would be?

I don't doubt that unvaccinated may be more likely to be infected, but what do you base your 6X greater on. Reported cases? The vaccinated are far more likely to have non-reported cases, since they are less likely to require medical care. Most of those that I know that were infected but vaccinated in the last month or so, never tested at a testing site, most only took home tests.

Suffice it to say that there is enough critical mass of the vaccinated getting infected (ie the "other half") to spread the virus like wildfire, although case rates are trending down. I suspect mostly due to infected immunity.