Vaccine

So then are you saying it will continue to be like this forever? Because its never going to be 100%.
Forever? No. I think we will be down to pre-delta levels by early April.

But I have no problem at all with mask mandates until then. Especially for adults.
 
Sure. Because the vaccine is not 100% effective. Vaccinated and boosted is more like 85% effective. The other 15% matters.

Like it or not, a lot of teachers are middle aged and overweight. They have a good reason to want to avoid covid.

And, if you want to get rid of all the fat teachers, be prepared to say goodbye to upper division STEM courses for your kid. The 58 year old spherical physics teacher may be the only one left who can teach the AP.
Sooo kids suffer for the sake of adults who can’t/won’t take care of themselves?

Maybe a health mandate is in order over masking kids.

What was that obesity factor amongst severe Covid affects again?
 
Forever? No. I think we will be down to pre-delta levels by early April.

But I have no problem at all with mask mandates until then. Especially for adults.

So for schools you'd say by the end of the year there will be no mask?

My problem is even though California had masking rules implemented before the Dec/Jan spike how much did it really help? None...They aren't that great if we just went through the biggest outbreak in the last 2 years with masking restrictions in place. They just can't admit they got it wrong so they are holding onto that rope real tight
 
Everywhere I have been in San Diego County or Sacramento County, all employees were masked. The restaurant where my wife helps out her friend the owner on occasion even requires their delivery drivers to be masked.

With the mask mandates being dropped, this will be up to the counties and individual employers (yet kids are still being held to a higher standard despite being a lower risk).

Los Angeles County still has an office problem (as does New York City). You can't get the workers back into the offices (where many don't want to go back anyways given how comfy womfy they are in the PJs all day) on a large scale while the mask mandates are in place, because masks signal things are still not safe and we need to keep our distance.
 
So for schools you'd say by the end of the year there will be no mask?

My problem is even though California had masking rules implemented before the Dec/Jan spike how much did it really help? None...They aren't that great if we just went through the biggest outbreak in the last 2 years with masking restrictions in place. They just can't admit they got it wrong so they are holding onto that rope real tight
I think mask restrictions in CA will be done by May 01, and will come back with the next variant- if one manages to grow here.

Masks work just fine if you wear them. Mask mandates that you ignore every time you have friends over? That doesn’t work so well.
 
Sooo kids suffer for the sake of adults who can’t/won’t take care of themselves?

Maybe a health mandate is in order over masking kids.

What was that obesity factor amongst severe Covid affects again?

@dad4 helps me understand how backwards so of those that oppose normalcy. Obese people are a big problem with covid

People with obesity are 46% more at risk of getting Covid-19, according to a study from August. It found that they are also more at risk of getting really sick, facing a 113% higher chance of being hospitalized, a 74% higher risk of needing to be treated in the ICU and -- perhaps most troubling of all -- a 48% increased risk of death. https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/03/health/covid-weight-loss-wellness/index.html

Old people I can understand, they can't help being old, but really 113% higher chance of being hospitalized for being Obese and we are trying to vaccinate ALL children and have them wear mask all day for people who failed to take care of themselves....that's ridiculous and so unfair for the kids...I really don't get how people like @dad4 can actually advocate for that
 
I think mask restrictions in CA will be done by May 01, and will come back with the next variant- if one manages to grow here.

Masks work just fine if you wear them. Mask mandates that you ignore every time you have friends over? That doesn’t work so well.

There will be another variant, it's inevitable. So, with that premise, you would be alright with kids continuing to wear mask at school forever? They have already messed up so many kids up by going virtual last year, now you want teachers and kids to cover their face every time they are in school? Think deeply about that, you really think that will not affect kids in any way?
 
I am really trying to wrap my head around why the persistence on mandating a Covid vaccine???? This is exactly how I feel "but why should their personal decision to take that risk arouse so much angst among those who are safely vaccinated? "

So, then I started to try and think what could possibly be reasons government wants vaccination so bad. We know it doesn't stop the spread, so the only other defense I can imagine is covid is filling up the ICU's. So looking at ICUs capacity during the middle of January was around 30% funny thing is, it is very difficult to find what the other 70% of patients include. Dyspnea seems to be the top ICU admitter, but that covers so many conditions it is hard to quantify.

Here is the most interesting fact....In 2019 Influenza A took up 34% of ICUs and in 2018 there was an article in the LA Times "Flu drives hospitals into warzone conditions"....what? They actually have pictures of triage tents set up.....So if ICU's have been in the same situation before and there has never been a Flu vaccine mandate, then why now? I really don't get how the government can continue these mandates, Science just doesn't support it????? Please help!





The Clues are right there for to see.

SARS-COVID 2 -19 was a tool used to:
1. Shut down the vibrant Trump admin USA economy that booming.
2. Covertly steal an election thru drop boxes/mail in ballots/midnight dumps.
3. Inject EVERY human on the planet with a traceable harmful substance.
( Think #3 is a joke, see/read below. )

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graphenes_health_effects_summarised_in_new_guide_48si8_en.pdf (europa.eu)

European Heath Report on GO effects on Humans.

NIOSHTIC-2 Publications Search - 20041340 - Graphene oxide, but not fullerenes,
targets immunoproteasomes and suppresses antigen presentation by dendritic cells. (cdc.gov)


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Sooo kids suffer for the sake of adults who can’t/won’t take care of themselves?

Maybe a health mandate is in order over masking kids.

What was that obesity factor amongst severe Covid affects again?

Adults who won’t take care of themselves are absolutely the problem. We’d have a lot less pressure on kids if remaining adults would mask up, get vaccinated, and lose some weight.
 
I think mask restrictions in CA will be done by May 01, and will come back with the next variant- if one manages to grow here.

Masks work just fine if you wear them. Mask mandates that you ignore every time you have friends over? That doesn’t work so well.

I think it was over a year ago that I posted that masks work and mandates don't.
 
@dad4 helps me understand how backwards so of those that oppose normalcy. Obese people are a big problem with covid

People with obesity are 46% more at risk of getting Covid-19, according to a study from August. It found that they are also more at risk of getting really sick, facing a 113% higher chance of being hospitalized, a 74% higher risk of needing to be treated in the ICU and -- perhaps most troubling of all -- a 48% increased risk of death. https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/03/health/covid-weight-loss-wellness/index.html

Old people I can understand, they can't help being old, but really 113% higher chance of being hospitalized for being Obese and we are trying to vaccinate ALL children and have them wear mask all day for people who failed to take care of themselves....that's ridiculous and so unfair for the kids...I really don't get how people like @dad4 can actually advocate for that
I can solve all public teachers concerns around safety with one simple solution. Provide parents with school choice vouchers giving them the freedom to pick the best education pathway for their children. Before you know it the need for public school, public school teachers and their unions will be non-existent. Now public school teachers who feel so much risk to face a child without a mask can find a new calling and those who want to continue work in education can with a private institution. My guess is if parents had a choice and given back their tax dollars to spend on the best education for their children they wouldn’t pick a public school that barely meets standards of learning and shrouds every subject in race.
 
The Clues are right there for to see.

SARS-COVID 2 -19 was a tool used to:
1. Shut down the vibrant Trump admin USA economy that booming.
2. Covertly steal an election thru drop boxes/mail in ballots/midnight dumps.
3. Inject EVERY human on the planet with a traceable harmful substance.
( Think #3 is a joke, see/read below. )

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graphenes_health_effects_summarised_in_new_guide_48si8_en.pdf (europa.eu)

European Heath Report on GO effects on Humans.

NIOSHTIC-2 Publications Search - 20041340 - Graphene oxide, but not fullerenes,
targets immunoproteasomes and suppresses antigen presentation by dendritic cells. (cdc.gov)


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How many people in other professions are required to work in the same room as 30 unmasked coworkers?

Teachers already catch every single cold and flu because parents insist on sending sick kids to school. That’s enough. Don’t expect them to rise up and demand that the people in their workspace be permitted to ignore public health guidance.
So we put the burden on children and not adults...thats just fucked up...no two ways about.
 
I can solve all public teachers concerns around safety with one simple solution. Provide parents with school choice vouchers giving them the freedom to pick the best education pathway for their children. Before you know it the need for public school, public school teachers and their unions will be non-existent. Now public school teachers who feel so much risk to face a child without a mask can find a new calling and those who want to continue work in education can with a private institution. My guess is if parents had a choice and given back their tax dollars to spend on the best education for their children they wouldn’t pick a public school that barely meets standards of learning and shrouds every subject in race.

That's so true!!!!!
 
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