Vaccine

Brav520 said:
The internal polls for Dems must be terrible


#BREAKING California's indoor mask mandate will end on February 15th.

The state is still asking unvaccinated to wear masks inside.

Individual counties have the option to impose their own mask mandates if they choose to.
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Grace T. said:
The School mandates, though, continue right? I'm sure LA County will be the last to cave....

New Jersey and Connecticut announced they were dropping shortly their school mask mandates. Either the polls are horrible or the Abrams thing is more of a disaster than the initial media reports lead us to believe.
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I really couldn't care less about the adult indoor mask mandate although it's completely frivolous. Come talk to me when children don't have to wear masks in school. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, anyone who thinks children should be wearing masks at school is a stone cold f'ing idiot.

Children don't vote, but their parents do. We've seen the left's true colors during the pandemic. I hope they get completely smoked at midterms. I'm not normally a vengeful person but what most Dem's have done to children is completely inexcusable and I hope they get taken to the woodshed in November.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Are they high for flu season? They need a better standard than "last winter's peak". How about looking at the range of hospital capacity for the prior 20 flu seasons?
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Goalie answers your question. 2016-17 had 77 flu deaths in LA county. 2017-18 had 278. 61 in the worst week.

LA county is currently averaging 72 covid deaths per day.

So, yes. High for flu season. For deaths, one day of covid is about as bad a year of a mild flu, or a week of a bad flu.
 
watfly said:
I really couldn't care less about the adult indoor mask mandate although it's completely frivolous. Come talk to me when children don't have to wear masks in school. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, anyone who thinks children should be wearing masks at school is a stone cold f'ing idiot.

Children don't vote, but their parents do. We've seen the left's true colors during the pandemic. I hope they get completely smoked at midterms. I'm not normally a vengeful person but what most Dem's have done to children is completely inexcusable and I hope they get taken to the woodshed in November.
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Just speaking of California as I don’t know the politics of N.J.,N.Y. or other democrat run states, the Teachers Unions have been behind the continued masking of children. They have Newsom in their pocket through massive campaign donations and basically dictate to him what this state will do with children while in school. They don’t care what parents or children want or what the data or science says. Democrats need to be held accountable for their reliance on union money and be voted out one by one for not doing the right thing by our children. It is dirty politics. I just don’t understand the reason behind teachers unions wanting to muzzle our kids and why teachers don’t stand up to THEIR union and do what is right.
 
Soccer Bum 06 said:
Just speaking of California as I don’t know the politics of N.J.,N.Y. or other democrat run states, the Teachers Unions have been behind the continued masking of children. They have Newsom in their pocket through massive campaign donations and basically dictate to him what this state will do with children while in school. They don’t care what parents or children want or what the data or science says. Democrats need to be held accountable for their reliance on union money and be voted out one by one for not doing the right thing by our children. It is dirty politics. I just don’t understand the reason behind teachers unions wanting to muzzle our kids and why teachers don’t stand up to THEIR union and do what is right.
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How many people in other professions are required to work in the same room as 30 unmasked coworkers?

Teachers already catch every single cold and flu because parents insist on sending sick kids to school. That’s enough. Don’t expect them to rise up and demand that the people in their workspace be permitted to ignore public health guidance.
 
dad4 said:
How many people in other professions are required to work in the same room as 30 unmasked coworkers?

Teachers already catch every single cold and flu because parents insist on sending sick kids to school. That’s enough. Don’t expect them to rise up and demand that the people in their workspace be permitted to ignore public health guidance.
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1. meatpackers, warehouse workers, postal workers, soldiers, restaurant workers, and with open floor designs, even office workers.
2. it's not like the masks, particularly given the length of the school day, and particularly given the cloth masks, really do anything.
3. aren't the teachers vaccinated? aren't they protected against serious illness? We're all going to catch it so what are we delaying here?
4. Nice that you are neglecting the deaf kids, the kids with sensory issues such as ADHD or autism, or the kids with reading delays. Talk about selfishness. F those kids right?
5. Given the rise of mental health issues in the under 18 set, and the fact that this has gone on 2 years, there's a lot to be said to return some normalcy to their child hood, and facial communication is an important part of that.
 
dad4 said:
How many people in other professions are required to work in the same room as 30 unmasked coworkers?

Teachers already catch every single cold and flu because parents insist on sending sick kids to school. That’s enough. Don’t expect them to rise up and demand that the people in their workspace be permitted to ignore public health guidance.
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If the teachers are vaccinated, what does it matter?
 
dad4 said:
Goalie answers your question. 2016-17 had 77 flu deaths in LA county. 2017-18 had 278. 61 in the worst week.

LA county is currently averaging 72 covid deaths per day.

So, yes. High for flu season. For deaths, one day of covid is about as bad a year of a mild flu, or a week of a bad flu.
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No, he didn't. I asked for hospitalization capacity data. If we are getting data on deaths, it should be all deaths broken down by category. In this case, simply all deaths and deaths attributed to COVID would be enough context to make the case. Data without context will invariably be misinterpreted.
 
Teachers do not have a mandatory vaccine requirement ( at least in my district) the ones who are not vaccinated have to get tested a certain number of times per week
 
espola said:
I thought all those workers were vaccinated (or frequently tested) and masked. Was I misinformed?
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Yes, you are. There is no employee mandate in California. It depends on the business and the local jursidiction (e.g., West Hollywood).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but at least for restaurant, in the City of Los Angeles my understanding is that to eat indoors you have to vaccinated, but there is no such requirement for workers.
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
If the teachers are vaccinated, what does it matter?
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Sure. Because the vaccine is not 100% effective. Vaccinated and boosted is more like 85% effective. The other 15% matters.

Like it or not, a lot of teachers are middle aged and overweight. They have a good reason to want to avoid covid.

And, if you want to get rid of all the fat teachers, be prepared to say goodbye to upper division STEM courses for your kid. The 58 year old spherical physics teacher may be the only one left who can teach the AP.
 
dad4 said:
Sure. Because the vaccine is not 100% effective. Vaccinated and boosted is more like 85% effective. The other 15% matters.

Like it or not, a lot of teachers are middle aged and overweight. They have a good reason to want to avoid covid.

And, if you want to get rid of all the fat teachers, be prepared to say goodbye to upper division STEM courses for your kid. The 58 year old spherical physics teacher may be the only one left who can teach the AP.
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So then are you saying it will continue to be like this forever? Because its never going to be 100%.
 
There is a conflict going on, you have some dem politicians and almost all the major press organizations talking about an off ramp for kids masking

and you have the head of one of the largest teachers Union , Randi Weingarten who today said setting standards on transmission rates and vaccination rates in order to lift masking
 
Grace T. said:
Yes, you are. There is no employee mandate in California. It depends on the business and the local jursidiction (e.g., West Hollywood).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but at least for restaurant, in the City of Los Angeles my understanding is that to eat indoors you have to vaccinated, but there is no such requirement for workers.
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Everywhere I have been in San Diego County or Sacramento County, all employees were masked. The restaurant where my wife helps out her friend the owner on occasion even requires their delivery drivers to be masked.
 
soccersc said:
So then are you saying it will continue to be like this forever? Because its never going to be 100%.
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Forever? No. I think we will be down to pre-delta levels by early April.

But I have no problem at all with mask mandates until then. Especially for adults.
 
dad4 said:
Sure. Because the vaccine is not 100% effective. Vaccinated and boosted is more like 85% effective. The other 15% matters.

Like it or not, a lot of teachers are middle aged and overweight. They have a good reason to want to avoid covid.

And, if you want to get rid of all the fat teachers, be prepared to say goodbye to upper division STEM courses for your kid. The 58 year old spherical physics teacher may be the only one left who can teach the AP.
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Sooo kids suffer for the sake of adults who can’t/won’t take care of themselves?

Maybe a health mandate is in order over masking kids.

What was that obesity factor amongst severe Covid affects again?
 
dad4 said:
Forever? No. I think we will be down to pre-delta levels by early April.

But I have no problem at all with mask mandates until then. Especially for adults.
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So for schools you'd say by the end of the year there will be no mask?

My problem is even though California had masking rules implemented before the Dec/Jan spike how much did it really help? None...They aren't that great if we just went through the biggest outbreak in the last 2 years with masking restrictions in place. They just can't admit they got it wrong so they are holding onto that rope real tight
 
espola said:
Everywhere I have been in San Diego County or Sacramento County, all employees were masked. The restaurant where my wife helps out her friend the owner on occasion even requires their delivery drivers to be masked.
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With the mask mandates being dropped, this will be up to the counties and individual employers (yet kids are still being held to a higher standard despite being a lower risk).

Los Angeles County still has an office problem (as does New York City). You can't get the workers back into the offices (where many don't want to go back anyways given how comfy womfy they are in the PJs all day) on a large scale while the mask mandates are in place, because masks signal things are still not safe and we need to keep our distance.
 
soccersc said:
So for schools you'd say by the end of the year there will be no mask?

My problem is even though California had masking rules implemented before the Dec/Jan spike how much did it really help? None...They aren't that great if we just went through the biggest outbreak in the last 2 years with masking restrictions in place. They just can't admit they got it wrong so they are holding onto that rope real tight
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I think mask restrictions in CA will be done by May 01, and will come back with the next variant- if one manages to grow here.

Masks work just fine if you wear them. Mask mandates that you ignore every time you have friends over? That doesn’t work so well.
 
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