Vaccine

dad4 said:
The area under the case curve decreases if you have a vaccine.

Normally, you keep getting new cases until your recovered population equals the herd immunity threshold.

For this, people who are effectively protected by the vaccine count towards your recovered population.

So, if you need 250 million recovered patients, and 150 million are immune by vaccine, then only 100 million end up getting sick.

Area under the curve fell from 250 to 100.

Harder to explain when you toss in new variants, partially effective natural immunity, and partially effective vaccines, but the core idea is the same. The number of infections is reduced by (number of vaccinated people) x (vaccine efficacy).
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An imperfect model (why do you always neglect time...what is it with you and that variable....it's come up time and time again....see that, cute no?). It's pretty clear, in addition to the complications caused by new variants, that both vaccine and natural immunity (from the data Dr. John presents) declines with time. The issue with natural immunity is that not everyone gets the same robust response, but from the Denmark study, it appears to be on every tiered one to one comparison, better and longer lasting than vaccine immunity, but it is declining as well. We don't know how rapidly it is declining, but it seems to decline less severely than vaccine immunity. The vaccine immunity based on the Israeli study and the Oct. 25 2021 Swedish cohort study is declining radically against symptomatic infection and even against severe illness.

papers.ssrn.com

Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccination Against Risk of Symptomatic Infection, Hospitalization, and Death Up to 9 Months: A Swedish Total-Population Cohort Study

Background: Whether vaccine effectiveness against Coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) lasts longer than 6 months is unclear.<br><br>Methods: A retrospective coh
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dad4 said:
I’d certainly prefer we all choose a 95% vax rate, upgraded ventilation, and cloth masks for flu season. A lot fewer deaths that way.

But that’s not the path we picked. We chose a 60% vax rate, existing ventilation, and no masks. So we will get annual case and death spikes every winter, whatever is needed to create enough natural immunity to balance things out.
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Remind me again who the ‘we’ are that picked this path?
 
dad4 said:
I’d certainly prefer we all choose a 95% vax rate, upgraded ventilation, and cloth masks for flu season. A lot fewer deaths that way.

But that’s not the path we picked. We chose a 60% vax rate, existing ventilation, and no masks. So we will get annual case and death spikes every winter, whatever is needed to create enough natural immunity to balance things out.
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Crazy talk We haven't chosen a 60% vax rate. It's where we are today. That number will go up. Ventilation? Like in schools? Big box stores? Your own house? Bars? Who's paying? Cloth masks forever during flu season? Alot fewer covid or flu deaths?
 
what-happened said:
Crazy talk We haven't chosen a 60% vax rate. It's where we are today. That number will go up. Ventilation? Like in schools? Big box stores? Your own house? Bars? Who's paying? Cloth masks forever during flu season? Alot fewer covid or flu deaths?
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Look at daily new vaccinations. Not a lot of new people. The number is going up, but not by much.

Who is paying for upgrading ventilation? Almost no one. Businesses are paying higher health care premiums instead. Tanstaafl.

Cloth masks would reduce both covid and flu deaths. You'd also fit in perfectly during Tai Chi practice.
 
Attention K-Mark Shoppers: The Goal Posts are being moved again. What started as a two week "stop the curve" movement in early 2020, is now about "ruining peoples lives." In order to be considered "Fully Vaccinated" ((obedient)), you must get the booster. So it looks like the Jabs wane off after 6 months. This is funny to me but not really if you know what I mean. My satire is waning away as well and just fyi!!!
 
kickingandscreaming said:
I have to wonder how much effect the vaccine mandates have on non-Asian POC support of democrats. Democrats appear to be losing support nationwide and a relatively small shift from this usually highly supportive group could be a big deal in swinging elections. Remember how fast mandates dropped in CA when the recall went through?
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I can say that my left leaning pals are now awake and see wtf is truly going on. Awake is one thing, being mentally and physically ready for the next phase is the other part to this interesting world we ALL find ourselves in. I believe "good" will squeeze out the victory, I just dont know when. It took us a long time to get here and it shall take some time to undo whatever the "good" needs to do to rid ourselves of the "bad" apple among us. This is now getting hard for all of us. Their two classes getting hammered and lied to left and right; the Unjabbed and the Jabbed are now the same. Both low class groups are now not "fully vaccinated" and we all together now. We still have to wear the mask as well. If you want to be upper class and hang out with the elitist, you have to get boosters and probably every 6 months until your dead, whichever comes first. I love you guy and guys and Grace T and as a friend I just want you to be careful. How much is too much? I have no idea how to answer that Q. I 100% will sit this experiment out. Please, all of you be careful.
 
Desert Hound said:
Really? You see flu spikes in mid summer months?
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Mid summer, for most states, was not a seasonal spike.

Mid summer was a spike caused by a behavioral change.

Might be different for desert states. You guys go inside when it is hot. Most of the country goes inside when it is cold and dark.
 
dad4 said:
Mid summer, for most states, was not a seasonal spike.

Mid summer was a spike caused by a behavioral change.

Might be different for desert states. You guys go inside when it is hot. Most of the country goes inside when it is cold and dark.
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I have some great medication bro that can help you. I'm 100% serious. PM me when you've had enough of this BS and want out of the Matrix. Tough pill for folks like you to swallow because of pride and ego. I gave a tip to a dear pal of mine and he took the advice and now he can see. He has lost 23 pounds in the last 60 days. So proud of him. His wife filed for the Big D Six months ago and that woke his ass up. Great lady and he was blowing it with his drinking and other things. Today, his wife took the Big D off the table and their staying together and not just for the kids sake. The wife is in love with her man again because her man is showing up the way a real man should.
 
Biden says police officers, first responders should be fired for refusing jab
Biden also scoffed at those who oppose vaccine mandates on the basis of 'freedom'
 
crush said:
I have some great medication bro that can help you. I'm 100% serious. PM me when you've had enough of this BS and want out of the Matrix. Tough pill for folks like you to swallow because of pride and ego. I gave a tip to a dear pal of mine and he took the advice and now he can see. He has lost 23 pounds in the last 60 days. So proud of him. His wife filed for the Big D Six months ago and that woke his ass up. Great lady and he was blowing it with his drinking and other things. Today, his wife took the Big D off the table and their staying together and not just for the kids sake. The wife is in love with her man again because her man is showing up the way a real man should.
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Glad it’s working out for your friend. Last two years have been rough on a lot of marriages.

Just got my booster. The concept doesn’t bug me as much as it bugs you. Between measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, pertussis, hepatitis, and all the flu shots, most people have had dozens of vaccines and boosters. So, my arm hurts, but no one I know has had to suffer through one of those diseases. To me, it’s a good trade.
 
dad4 said:
Glad it’s working out for your friend. Last two years have been rough on a lot of marriages.

Just got my booster. The concept doesn’t bug me as much as it bugs you. Between measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, pertussis, hepatitis, and all the flu shots, most people have had dozens of vaccines and boosters. So, my arm hurts, but no one I know has had to suffer through one of those diseases. To me, it’s a good trade.
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How many Polio boosters have you had? How many Hepatitis boosters? And so on and so and son. Most people like you have become one big shot. Some of us were raised differently FYI....
 
Time to move on.


This is a question of politics — political culture, the authority of normal life versus the respected authorities in charge of public health. Public-health authorities don’t know how to stop giving you extra-restrictive advice. And they can’t learn how to stop giving it if we don’t learn how to stop asking for it. Or until we start ignoring what they say, and start punishing politicians who translate their guidance into nuisances.

We can’t eat enough medium-well steaks to get the CDC to stop recommending that we not eat medium-rare, let alone steak tartare. If you ask epidemiologists whether human conversation is safe, their minds call up computer animations of people projectile-vomiting red and blue blocks of “droplets” on each other. If you asked public-health authorities for permission to be born and live a life, there’s no way they could just, you know, approve of that in an unqualified way. You just have to remember that you’ll never be in less danger to yourself or others until dead.


They’re waiting for us — the people. The people began locking down and shutting in and buying masks last February, when public-health officials were telling you that masks were racist and that you should attend Chinese New Year parades to show you weren’t afraid. The people began traveling out more — based on the Google traffic data — before the lockdowns were eased. When does it end? When we end it.

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Ignoring Them Is the Only Way Out | National Review

When does COVID abnormalcy end? When we end it.
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