Vaccine

Hüsker Dü said:
The point is, dismissing others health concerns is nonsensical, ignorant and arrogant. As long as what you do isn’t harming others have at it. Better safe than sorry. I find doomsday preppers as a bit off but hey to each his/her own.
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What’s horrifying about calls to bar unvaccinated five year olds from public spaces is the fact that this is being done to assauge the irrational anxieties of middle-aged adults.
 
Grace T. said:
The thing that cuts against that argument is that Singapore has a substantial Arab and Indian Subcontinent population as well, particularly in the underclasses. The thing that cuts against dad4's mask argument is that Singapore is pretty much a police state that can enforce its restrictions and it's vaxx requirements with little dissent...and yet they still had an outbreak.
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Get caned or get vaxxed? That would probably achieve the behavior that Dad approves of.
 
That is what you could soon be seeing when trying to purchase an airline ticket...

If House Reolution 4980 passes in Congress.

What would you do if you could no longer travel on the airlines?

Would you still be able to see your family?

How much extra time, risk, and expense would you incur if you were forced to drive across the country instead?

This could soon be a reality if House Resolution 4980 passes and becomes law.

What’s it all about?

This inhumane bill would require any passenger on an airline to be v@((!ned against C0V!D.

Even if they’re just flying one state away...

Worse, the bill includes this ominous ending, “And for other purposes”...

What does that even mean?!

Our right as citizens permits us to assume the privileges and immunities of that state.

And case law has long dictated the freedom for citizens to travel between states.

But this discriminatory, unconstitutional, and even unscientific bill threatens our freedom.

Make no bones about it - What’s being mandated here is still an experimental medical procedure.

The scariest part about this bill…

ALMOST NONE OF THE PUBLIC KNOWS ABOUT IT!

It’s been queitly worked through congress to keep it on the down low.


Sponsor:https://ritchietorres.house.gov; https://case.house.gov/ ; https://kahele.house.gov
 
Grace T. said:
Definitions. Plural. Espola's in particular is technically correct also but very cute.

You are proposing a floating one keyed to your old favorite R. 1. That's not what Fauci's definition means (his was keyed to zero COVID though he has since revised it as in the interview outlined about, 2. if it's keyed to behavior it's not herd immunity...any definition to obtain general acceptance requires going back to pre-COVID, not a new normal however much of a paradise that new normal is for people like how., 3. It's not proof...I still think it might be possible with natural immunity but I'm open to Dr. John's idea that it's not....but it's a damn good evidence that masks + vaccination doesn't get us there.
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Herd immunity is inherently tied to environment and behavior. Simple example:

You have 400 head of cattle in a pasture. No problem. One catches a cold now and then, but it never gets far. That is herd immunity.

Then winter comes and all 400 are crammed into a barn. Guess what? A third of them are now sick because you just lost your herd immunity.

MOO!
 
dad4 said:
Herd immunity is inherently tied to environment and behavior. Simple example:

You have 400 head of cattle in a pasture. No problem. One catches a cold now and then, but it never gets far. That is herd immunity.

Then winter comes and all 400 are crammed into a barn. Guess what? A third of them are now sick because you just lost your herd immunity.

MOO!
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you are a smart guy so I got to believe you aren’t that thick. Your example is not an example of the type of herd immunity people are talking about which in even faucis dialogue refers to one of two things: a) the point where enough of the population is immune that covid stops circulating or b) the point where there are no more spikes irrespective of circumstances (it’s endemic with Spain over the late summer being the last example). You may be free to use your own definition because there are several others (like espolas) but that’s not what the authorities are talking about. If you can’t cram 100 cows in the barn in winter and that’s the normal condition of the cows you haven’t hit herd immunity. That’s why fauci and the cdc this weekend backed off the idea that herd immunity was possible

but let’s assume arguendo we are in a topsey turvey world and go with your definition. You’ve only shown environment affects the threshold in your example. The cows themselves had no say on whether to go in the barn or not…and if they didn’t go in the barn in the Minnesota winter they’d freeze to death…that’s not behavior it’s their state of being. Moreover it’s a cold which has normal ebb and seasonal flows…not an epidemic spike which is where the concerns are.
 
Grace T. said:
you are a smart guy so I got to believe you aren’t that thick. Your example is not an example of the type of herd immunity people are talking about which in even faucis dialogue refers to one of two things: a) the point where enough of the population is immune that covid stops circulating or b) the point where there are no more spikes irrespective of circumstances (it’s endemic with Spain over the late summer being the last example). You may be free to use your own definition because there are several others (like espolas) but that’s not what the authorities are talking about. If you can’t cram 100 cows in the barn in winter and that’s the normal condition of the cows you haven’t hit herd immunity. That’s why fauci and the cdc this weekend backed off the idea that herd immunity was possible

but let’s assume arguendo we are in a topsey turvey world and go with your definition. You’ve only shown environment affects the threshold in your example. The cows themselves had no say on whether to go in the barn or not…and if they didn’t go in the barn in the Minnesota winter they’d freeze to death…that’s not behavior it’s their state of being. Moreover it’s a cold which has normal ebb and seasonal flows…not an epidemic spike which is where the concerns are.
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The cold is not at herd immunity under either definition of that’s what’s happening (unlike say measles small pox or even certain Entero viruses)
 
Grace T. said:
1. Even Fauci is off zero covid/herd immunity. Guess dad4 is anti-science.
2. fully vaccinated is going to mean boosters. he's saying as much.
3. he's talking out his ass and guessing. there's no data yet to support how long the booster immune response lasts.
4. It's possible repeated booster would be needed to get long lasting protection
5. I know now several people who have been boosted. Many of them have had rough side effects (not debilitating but unpleasant). I think this is their last bite at the apple. Other than the elderly and immunocompromised, a significant amount of the people I've asked about this said it makes them feel so bad they are NOT doing this every 6 months. If they try and force it, I think we get significant civil unrest.
6. He's an arrogant ass that's bad at his job. If Biden wants to save his presidency and reset the COVID response, he has to throw Fauci (deservedly or not deservedly) under the bus and reset.

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Listen to what Tony had to say back when AIDS was coming out and what kind of experiments he was doing on foster kids in NY. This guy will go down as the biggest loser ever and mass killer. Just wait folks, Dr Fraud will be xposed.
 
Grace T. said:
1. All life is high school. Everyone is a judge. You are one of the most judgmental people on these forums...pot, meet kettle.
2. Shallow. Hardly. There is nothing shallow in logic.
3. Judgmental. Absolutely. Again, what forum have you been hanging out with. And again, pot, meet kettle.
4. Gossip. Nope. It's out in the open.
5. And what exactly are you doing with this little turn of phrase. Everything you hate is just a mirror reflection of yourself. Hope you like the view!
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Great takes Grace T!!!
 
So today it looks like this: No jab, no job. No Jab, No School for kids. No Jab, no college soccer. No Jab, no flying. No jab, no entry. No booster, not fully Jabbed. No Mask, no entry. These people are nuts and insane and some of the most selfish and scared folks I have ever met. This shit is all supported by Husker Du, Espola, Dad and many other assholes who have enjoyed all the great things life can buy and they dont want others to take part in life's riches and glory unless they kneel and take injections from those WHO tell them what to do. The days of cheating, pay to play and keeping others from true freedom will come to an end, I just dont know when. I told my dd last year if people are getting fired for not rolling up their sleeves, well then you will be banned from going to college and playing soccer and flying. As long as the fence sitters sit on their asses and watch our country being taken over, this will only get worse. Calling all woke fence sitters. Wake your asses up. This is not a drill. People have lost everything, kids have to take jab to go to school and wear a stupid mask and people are getting injured and are dying because of it.
 
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The Plays from their Play Book is so easy to read. I don;t even need a play book. Soon and very soon this will start flipping the right way. Truth always wins :)

Hospitals in Michigan and Minnesota on Tuesday reported a wave of COVID-19 patients not seen in months as beds were filled with unvaccinated people and health care leaders warned that staff were being worn down by yet another surge.

Michigan had slightly more than 3,000 COVID-19 patients in hospitals this week, the first time it had crossed that threshold since spring, while nearly all hospital beds were occupied in Minnesota. Both held the unflattering rank of national virus hotspots.

New Case of Virus Waves hitting are Hot Spots around the USA!!!! Corona, Delta and their cousins are coming to a wave near you this Winter. These waves bring surges as well so make sure to get jabbed twice and get as many boosters as possible. The more boosters, the closer to normal you will find yourself and if that doesn't work, make sure to blame it on the unvaccinated. They already said this will be a tough Xmas. 40% of Santa's work shop is sitting out in da ocean. Shop early folks. Whacky Wednesday is here and boy this is getting intense. Abraham Lincoln spoke at Gettysburg on my bday Nov 19th to address the folks. Full moon too this Friday. I'm so stoked I get to witness all this amazing super really cool transformation of serious power taken away from assholes. Oh boy I can;t wait to watch.
 
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Our friend Ian Miller, who generates so many devastating charts, had rather an amusing comment about the one below.

Below is Gibraltar, the most vaccinated place on Earth. The vaccination rate is given as 100 percent.

Gibraltar has had only a handful of deaths from the very beginning, long before any vaccines existed.

But if you were still doubtful about whether the vaccines stopped transmission (and I had several people email me yesterday to tell me that their friends genuinely believe that the vaccines do this, or at least slow it significantly), here is Gibraltar. (The orange line tracks the vaccination rate.)
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Commenting on this graph, Ian said: "I wonder if the like, one unvaccinated guy in the whole country is sitting there going, 'how can this possibly be a pandemic of just me?!'"

A few other items:

* New York City is now banning the unvaccinated from public streets, at least on New Year's Eve. You will need to show proof of vaccination to watch the ball drop.

Since the ACLU, after a long period of silence, wound up favoring vaccine passports as beneficial to liberty, it seems doubtful that we'll hear from them on this.

* In the UK, the Daily Mail got a hold of leaked documents describing an Operation Rampdown, whereby the UK government will walk back its COVID response early in the new year.

Among the provisions, it would:
  • Axe the legal requirement for those who catch the virus to self-isolate for ten days;
  • Shut down the national 'Test and Trace' system, which identifies those who may have been exposed to the virus;
  • Focus the fight against Covid on tackling local outbreaks and protecting "highest risk settings," such as care homes
'We will no longer be prioritizing the previous objectives of breaking chains of transmission at all costs," one document says.

Writes Robert Dingwall of Nottingham Trent University, former Government adviser: "I very much welcome the fact that people are planning for the end of the emergency and the restoration of everyday life. Treating Covid like any other respiratory infection should encourage people to dial down the fear and anxiety that have bedeviled the country for the past couple of years."

* I was just interviewed for a docuseries called COVID Revealed, in which all the lunacy is collected in one place. It's really devastating. I guarantee you will want to see it.

(Just to clarify: this is not the same thing as the documentary project by those filmmakers I had on my show; that will be coming soon.)

They are letting you watch it for free as long as you register in advance.

Since they're telling you the truth, they obviously can't rely on YouTube. So they'll send you links directly to the videos on their own site.

I can't help thinking, too, that if I bring them a lot of viewers via the link below, they might be inclined to have ol' Woods back on again in the future.

It's called COVID Revealed, and it highlights some of the important dissident voices that traditional platforms have been throttling.

So please register to watch using the link below, and thank you!
http://www.tomwoods.com/revealed
 
Desert Hound said:
theconservativetreehouse.com

Geert Vanden Bossche Was Right, The World's Most Vaccinated Country Cancels Christmas Due to Massive Rise in COVID-19 Infections - The Last Refuge

The most vaccinated population in the world exists on Gibraltar, a British Overseas Territory located at the southern end of Spain. The average number of vaccinations is 2.79 per person for all residents. However, even with that level of vaccination density, or perhaps –more likely– because of...
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When Vanden Bossche initially reviewed the high vaccination rates in Israel, Vanden Bossche warned the absence of a natural immunity population to fight the virus would lead to an uncontrollable spread of the virus in the vaccinated community. The higher the vaccination rates, the more serious the spread of the virus amid the population that only carries the immune system protection provided by the vaccine.

I encapsulated his outline here: “The widespread vaccination rate is creating pressure on the virus to mutate into variants with higher levels of contagion. The unvaccinated group has been keeping the pressure down by defeating the virus and carrying natural immunity. However, as the unvaccinated population is increasingly made smaller, the pressure on the virus to mutate increases. Subsequently, these mutations stay at higher or more effective levels of infection.”

Duh!

And if mask are so effective then again the pressure on the virus to mutate increases.

Shocking isn't it??
 
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Grace T. said:
you are a smart guy so I got to believe you aren’t that thick. Your example is not an example of the type of herd immunity people are talking about which in even faucis dialogue refers to one of two things: a) the point where enough of the population is immune that covid stops circulating or b) the point where there are no more spikes irrespective of circumstances (it’s endemic with Spain over the late summer being the last example). You may be free to use your own definition because there are several others (like espolas) but that’s not what the authorities are talking about. If you can’t cram 100 cows in the barn in winter and that’s the normal condition of the cows you haven’t hit herd immunity. That’s why fauci and the cdc this weekend backed off the idea that herd immunity was possible

but let’s assume arguendo we are in a topsey turvey world and go with your definition. You’ve only shown environment affects the threshold in your example. The cows themselves had no say on whether to go in the barn or not…and if they didn’t go in the barn in the Minnesota winter they’d freeze to death…that’s not behavior it’s their state of being. Moreover it’s a cold which has normal ebb and seasonal flows…not an epidemic spike which is where the concerns are.
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Ok. Let’s use the context dependent definition of herd immunity, and look at behavior. People this time.

Spain looks to be herd immune. Still some cases, but outbreaks mostly fizzle out.

Now suppose the party scene really gets popular in Madrid this year. Too much time cooped up, and it’s time to be social. More people, more alcohol, more hookups, less distance. All of a sudden, you have spikes in a variety of diseases, including covid.

What happened? The herd immunity threshold changed. People who used to be keeping 6 feet are now adopting a different behavior. Put one way, people got closer to each other and disease spread more easily. Put another way, people changed their behavior and that altered the herd immunity threshold.
 
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