Vaccine

met61 said:
...with over 300 pages, aside from the simpleton comments sure to follow, is anyone willing to admit they sincerely had their mind changed by anything on this thread?
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It's a good question. My thoughts on the virus have definitely evolved from the beginning and this thread (and its predecessors) played a part in that as I saw sources I hadn't seen from others' posts. Once you get beyond the obvious one-dimensional trolls, it also gives me a perspective of how others are thinking. The most obvious things that come to my mind are the wide range of risk tolerance, risk assessment, and desired level of self-reliance.
 
dad4 said:
Sure. Not all of them recent, but-

-Cloth masks are significantly less effective than medical.

-Public NPI strategies are less effective than they seem. Even if they have a tremendous impact outside the home, the net impact is less because the inside the home transmissibility stays the same.

-The restrictions on outdoor activity went way too far, and may have actually increased transmission.

-Overall we were way too hard on kids and way too easy on adults.

-At some point, give up on the expensive NPI. The cost is the same, but you’ve already infected so many people there isn’t much benefit left to be had.

How about you?
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-We couldn't develop and deploy a vaccine in under a year. The deployment would be logistically difficult because of the vaccine stability temperatures.

-While I predicted and timed and measured the depth of the stock market collapse perfectly, I was surprised how quickly the markets recovered. I underestimated that money didn't have anywhere to go.

-There may not be a herd immunity threshold. If there is one it's so high it's likely a target we keep moving away from as immunity (both vaccine and natural)fade. The peaks on the curves therefore seem to be more time based than the number of people who come down with it.

-Biden would be more capable than Trump of managing the end of the pandemic. While I think which one would have handled things better is debatable, I was surprised how stunningly bad Biden turned out to be in it

-Very harsh NPIs actually do work (whether the early ones in Europe or the early ones in Australia), at least against the prime. It's not just homes that make the NPIs difficult....it's work....you are spending almost as much time shoulder to shoulder with people if you are working in person. If you are working shoulder to shoulder with the fry cook at McDonald's who's sick, you are going to get it too. To be effective, you pretty much have to shut down everything except the most essential of services (read no liquor stores or weed shops or airplanes and trains or fast food or nonessential Amazon warehouses or another big one which ultimately led to Australia's undoing, construction). The problem with doing that is that it tanks your economy in a matter of weeks so can only be reserved for preserving the hospital system which is in danger of collapse.

-I'm surprised despite the promises we don't have variant specific booster yet

-I'm most surprised how much we don't know yet. Such as, how long do boosters work, what exactly is behind long COVID, a definitive word on Ivermectin one way or another (and HDQ for that matter, one way or another). I hadn't realized how much medicine really still is this much in the dark ages.
 
So here is part of the "unintended" consequences of shutting stuff down and printing cash.

I wonder who gets hurt the most with inflation?


New wholesale inflation numbers from September are in and once again prove the rapid increase in prices for everyday items isn't "transitory" as President Joe Biden has repeatedly claimed.
Wholesale prices rose by 8.6 percent compared to September 2020, matching the largest increase on record.

"The Labor Department reported Tuesday that its producer price index -- which measures inflation before it hits consumers -- rose 0.6% last month from September, pushed higher by surging gasoline prices. Excluding volatile food and energy prices, wholesale inflation was up 0.4% in October from September and 6.8% from a year ago," the Associated Press reports. "More than 60% of the September-October increase in overall producer prices was caused by a 1.2% increase in the price of wholesale goods as opposed to services. A 6.7% jump in wholesale gasoline prices helped drive goods prices up."

But no worries our press is on it and letting us know not to worry.

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Desert Hound said:
So here is part of the "unintended" consequences of shutting stuff down and printing cash.

I wonder who gets hurt the most with inflation?


New wholesale inflation numbers from September are in and once again prove the rapid increase in prices for everyday items isn't "transitory" as President Joe Biden has repeatedly claimed.
Wholesale prices rose by 8.6 percent compared to September 2020, matching the largest increase on record.

"The Labor Department reported Tuesday that its producer price index -- which measures inflation before it hits consumers -- rose 0.6% last month from September, pushed higher by surging gasoline prices. Excluding volatile food and energy prices, wholesale inflation was up 0.4% in October from September and 6.8% from a year ago," the Associated Press reports. "More than 60% of the September-October increase in overall producer prices was caused by a 1.2% increase in the price of wholesale goods as opposed to services. A 6.7% jump in wholesale gasoline prices helped drive goods prices up."

But no worries our press is on it and letting us know not to worry.

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Whatever you do, don't light a match.
 
Desert Hound said:
So here is part of the "unintended" consequences of shutting stuff down and printing cash.

I wonder who gets hurt the most with inflation?


New wholesale inflation numbers from September are in and once again prove the rapid increase in prices for everyday items isn't "transitory" as President Joe Biden has repeatedly claimed.
Wholesale prices rose by 8.6 percent compared to September 2020, matching the largest increase on record.

"The Labor Department reported Tuesday that its producer price index -- which measures inflation before it hits consumers -- rose 0.6% last month from September, pushed higher by surging gasoline prices. Excluding volatile food and energy prices, wholesale inflation was up 0.4% in October from September and 6.8% from a year ago," the Associated Press reports. "More than 60% of the September-October increase in overall producer prices was caused by a 1.2% increase in the price of wholesale goods as opposed to services. A 6.7% jump in wholesale gasoline prices helped drive goods prices up."

But no worries our press is on it and letting us know not to worry.

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I listen to the idiots in the press discuss inflation all the time. Not a single one attributes an increase in prices to an increase in the money supply. An increase in money supply ALWAYS precedes an increase in prices and hurts savers and the poor the worst.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
I listen to the idiots in the press discuss inflation all the time. Not a single one attributes an increase in prices to an increase in the money supply. An increase in money supply ALWAYS precedes an increase in prices and hurts savers and the poor the worst.
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Agree with everything except your all caps word. Inflation is usually, but not always, preceded by an increase in the money supply.

You can get inflation just from a decline in the size of the economy. Think contracting empires with fiat currency. Same money supply, but fewer places which accept it.

Severe price shocks to key imported goods can cause inflation, too. The price shock itself starts inflation. Then the government has to decide whether to make the recession worse or make the inflation worse.
 
dad4 said:
Agree with everything except your all caps word. Inflation is usually, but not always, preceded by an increase in the money supply.

You can get inflation just from a decline in the size of the economy. Think contracting empires with fiat currency. Same money supply, but fewer places which accept it.

Severe price shocks to key imported goods can cause inflation, too. The price shock itself starts inflation. Then the government has to decide whether to make the recession worse or make the inflation worse.
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Rankings of states for covid deaths per capita, after adjusting for age.

It does not adjust for variant, SES, or population density.

www.bioinformaticscro.com

States Ranked by Age-Adjusted COVID Deaths

Cumulative age-adjusted COVID deaths per capita by state, updated weekly. The Pacific Northwest, Hawaii, and Upper New England have fewer COVID deaths.
www.bioinformaticscro.com www.bioinformaticscro.com

Florida and Arizona ends up looking better, but Texas ends up looking a lot worse. #2, between MS and AL.
 
dad4 said:
Agree with everything except your all caps word. Inflation is usually, but not always, preceded by an increase in the money supply.

You can get inflation just from a decline in the size of the economy. Think contracting empires with fiat currency. Same money supply, but fewer places which accept it.

Severe price shocks to key imported goods can cause inflation, too. The price shock itself starts inflation. Then the government has to decide whether to make the recession worse or make the inflation worse.
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You actually justified my use of the word always in your entire post. An increase in the money supply is what makes fiat currency. When the money supply increases, that does not mean that goods and services automatically increase. It does mean that more people have more money and they compete for a present amount or anticipated amount of goods and services, driving up prices and devaluing the dollars purchasing power. Hence cryptos, gold, the rush to hard assets, etc..
 
met61 said:
...Aaron Rodgers can’t have an opinion on his health, he isn’t a doctor. Anyways, now we go to Big Bird who has a special message for you on vaccines.

...we've lost our everloving minds!
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Woe woe woe woe, unto they that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 
dad4 said:
Sure. Not all of them recent, but-

-Cloth masks are significantly less effective than medical.

-Public NPI strategies are less effective than they seem. Even if they have a tremendous impact outside the home, the net impact is less because the inside the home transmissibility stays the same.

-The restrictions on outdoor activity went way too far, and may have actually increased transmission.

-Overall we were way too hard on kids and way too easy on adults.

-At some point, give up on the expensive NPI. The cost is the same, but you’ve already infected so many people there isn’t much benefit left to be had.

How about you?
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... I've had many, but a couple of the most significant:

... I fully expected the country, politicians, media, and just fellow citizens in general to rally above differences, like following 9/11, focusing on what was best for the country and holding China accountable...my mind was changed when a deadly pandemic was shamelessly used as a political tool to continue dividing the country.

... I did not think so many Americans, and churches above all, would so blindly and uncritically acquiesce to the government and surrender liberties and freedoms so easily, and continuing to this day...again, mind changed.

... I trusted scientist/medical professionals and the science/medical communities to remain committed to truth and not fold to political / government pressures...they began losing me with their response, or lack thereof, to the BLM riots...and unfortunately, they continue to disappoint and change my mind to this day.

...one of the only constant and non-changing beliefs, is how pathetic the media was before the pandemic, and continues to be equally if not more pathetic to this day.


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dad4 said:
Rankings of states for covid deaths per capita, after adjusting for age.

It does not adjust for variant, SES, or population density.

www.bioinformaticscro.com

States Ranked by Age-Adjusted COVID Deaths

Cumulative age-adjusted COVID deaths per capita by state, updated weekly. The Pacific Northwest, Hawaii, and Upper New England have fewer COVID deaths.
www.bioinformaticscro.com www.bioinformaticscro.com

Florida and Arizona ends up looking better, but Texas ends up looking a lot worse. #2, between MS and AL.
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You forgot race which would also be interesting to see.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
You actually justified my use of the word always in your entire post. An increase in the money supply is what makes fiat currency. When the money supply increases, that does not mean that goods and services automatically increase. It does mean that more people have more money and they compete for a present amount or anticipated amount of goods and services, driving up prices and devaluing the dollars purchasing power. Hence cryptos, gold, the rush to hard assets, etc..
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That is a very peculiar definition of fiat currency: an increase to money supply.

By your definition, Spain's 17th century gold coinage was a fiat currency, because money supply increased.

Conversely, the completely unbacked 1981 US dollar was not a fiat currency, because money supply shrank.

I take it you learned your economics from a YouTube channel?
 
met61 said:
...Aaron Rodgers can’t have an opinion on his health, he isn’t a doctor. Anyways, now we go to Big Bird who has a special message for you on vaccines.

...we've lost our everloving minds!
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More evidence of the upside down, backwards world we live in.

I couldn't care less about the opinion of an athlete, actor/actress, "journalist", fictional puppet. Facebook poster, etc. Whether I agree with them or not. I certainly couldn't care less about the opinion Bill Maher because all of a sudden he agrees with me. I find it comical how some on the right love to point out when he agrees with them, like some how he has credibility. He's an unprincipled POS, although I do enjoy his show on occasion. (Sorry for the tangent)
 
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