Vaccine

Grace T. said:
Ie, “I don’t want talk about Los Angeles because it undermines my idea we can control the virus with masks and shutting indoor dining. I want to talk about Arizona”.
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If you only want to talk LA, I could easily make the case that the Bay Area had lower deaths last winter because San Jose and SF had better mask compliance than LA.

But that argument would be bull crap, because SF had a different variant than LA. We had the easy variant and you had the hard one.

Comparing disease A against disease B just isn't valid. It's invalid if I do it, and it's invalid if you do it.
 
dad4 said:
If you only want to talk LA, I could easily make the case that the Bay Area had lower deaths last winter because San Jose and SF had better mask compliance than LA.

But that argument would be bull crap, because SF had a different variant than LA. We had the easy variant and you had the hard one.

Comparing disease A against disease B just isn't valid. It's invalid if I do it, and it's invalid if you do it.
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Yet you constantly trot out Arizona rather than take your own advice. ^\_(;?)_/^
 
dad4 said:
Take a look at overall container shipping counts. Port of LA is only about 2% below the peak of 2018.

Container Statistics | Port of Los Angeles

Provided statistic breakdowns include annual and monthly container counts (in TEUs1) dating back to 1995. Container counts for years 1980-1994 are provided in calendar year totals only.
www.portoflosangeles.org www.portoflosangeles.org

The supply chain issue is not that we stopped making and shipping stuff. We’re still shipping the same amount of stuff we ever did.

The change is that we are all trying to buy more stuff than usual. Stuck at home with nothing to do but spend our stimulus checks on garbage from China.
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It would be interesting to see what is being bought at a higher rate, or at the same rate but in short supply for additional demand. However, I believe the supply and sales of new cars are down due to insufficient supply of computer chips.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
It would be interesting to see what is being bought at a higher rate, or at the same rate but in short supply for additional demand. However, I believe the supply and sales of new cars are down due to insufficient supply of computer chips.
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That's from a manufacturing problem at the chip-maker factories, not a shipping problem.
 
espola said:
That's from a manufacturing problem at the chip-maker factories, not a shipping problem.
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And? I didn't say anything about a shipping problem but there is a supply problem. @Desert Hound didn't say anything about a shipping problem either. @dad4 used the shipping container processing to show that we aren't really shipping that much / any less, indicating the supply issue is due to an increase in demand and not a decrease in supply. However, that's not the case with cars. Keeping you up to speed is no easy task.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
It would be interesting to see what is being bought at a higher rate, or at the same rate but in short supply for additional demand. However, I believe the supply and sales of new cars are down due to insufficient supply of computer chips.
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Insufficient supply of total semiconductors, or insufficient orders of some specific chips? I thought it was the second.

Some of the chip shortage is also an increase in demand as well. Everyone simultaneously upgrading their home computer setups certainly didn’t help.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
And? I didn't say anything about a shipping problem but there is a supply problem. @Desert Hound didn't say anything about a shipping problem either. @dad4 used the shipping container processing to show that we aren't really shipping that much / any less, indicating the supply issue is due to an increase in demand and not a decrease in supply. However, that's not the case with cars. Keeping you up to speed is no easy task.
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The computer chip problem is due to a decrease in supply caused by many factors, and a shift in manufacturing strategies caused in part by an early decision by US car manufacturers to cancel pending orders of the chips they needed because they incorrectly predicted a long-term hit to the economy (and thus car sales) that didn't happen.

From https://www.popsci.com/technology/global-chip-shortage/ --

As the world shut down because of the COVID-19 pandemic, many factories closed with it, making the supplies needed for chip manufacturing unavailable for months. Increased demand for consumer electronics caused shifts that rippled up the supply chain. Orders began to pile up as manufacturers struggled to create enough chips to meet the new levels of demand. A backlog began to grow and grow and grow.

Bad decisions by the auto industry also added to the shortage. When COVID started, many companies canceled their orders for chips because they assumed the economy was about to take a lengthy hit, says Lewis. Car companies in particular cancelled orders, so chip companies switched to making chips for consumer products, attempting to meet the explosive demand caused by the pandemic. Having retooled their plants to make chips for consumer goods instead of cars, a shortage of car chips ensued.

There aren’t many chip manufacturing plants in the world, and the few that were running during the pandemic were subject to a series of unlucky weather events that delayed the manufacturing process further. Japan’s Renesas plant, which creates almost one-third of the chips used in cars around the world, was severely damaged by a fire, while winter storms in Texas forced some of America’s only chip plants to halt production. Producing these chips also requires a lot of water, and severe drought in Taiwan has also affected production.
 
dad4 said:
Did Arizona have a different variant than other western states?
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You say different variant and density

He says different population (like snowbirds and native Americans)

you are both doing the same thing…distinguishing. You can argue his is worse than yours or not valid but you’ve never engaged in the merits. You are doing the exact same thing with Los Angeles that he is doing in Arizona (which is perfectly valid thing to do) but the difference is you keep trying to take the moral high ground and he doesn’t.
 
espola said:
The computer chip problem is due to a decrease in supply caused by many factors, and a shift in manufacturing strategies caused in part by an early decision by US car manufacturers to cancel pending orders of the chips they needed because they incorrectly predicted a long-term hit to the economy (and thus car sales) that didn't happen.

From https://www.popsci.com/technology/global-chip-shortage/ --

As the world shut down because of the COVID-19 pandemic, many factories closed with it, making the supplies needed for chip manufacturing unavailable for months. Increased demand for consumer electronics caused shifts that rippled up the supply chain. Orders began to pile up as manufacturers struggled to create enough chips to meet the new levels of demand. A backlog began to grow and grow and grow.

Bad decisions by the auto industry also added to the shortage. When COVID started, many companies canceled their orders for chips because they assumed the economy was about to take a lengthy hit, says Lewis. Car companies in particular cancelled orders, so chip companies switched to making chips for consumer products, attempting to meet the explosive demand caused by the pandemic. Having retooled their plants to make chips for consumer goods instead of cars, a shortage of car chips ensued.

There aren’t many chip manufacturing plants in the world, and the few that were running during the pandemic were subject to a series of unlucky weather events that delayed the manufacturing process further. Japan’s Renesas plant, which creates almost one-third of the chips used in cars around the world, was severely damaged by a fire, while winter storms in Texas forced some of America’s only chip plants to halt production. Producing these chips also requires a lot of water, and severe drought in Taiwan has also affected production.
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False!!!
 
Here is what's going on now folks. We are now entering Covid Season. The Flu was hijacked and replaced FYI. Poor flu, never had a chance and for sure didnt see this coming.
 
Grace T. said:
You say different variant and density

He says different population (like snowbirds and native Americans)

you are both doing the same thing…distinguishing. You can argue his is worse than yours or not valid but you’ve never engaged in the merits. You are doing the exact same thing with Los Angeles that he is doing in Arizona (which is perfectly valid thing to do) but the difference is you keep trying to take the moral high ground and he doesn’t.
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No need to contest it. Hound has a valid point on elderly demographics for FL and NV.

I suspect NY, MA, and CA look a little better than they really are because of the number of people who retire out of state. I’d need numbers to say how much.

I don’t believe Hound has a point on native American reservations. Apache and Navajo are just too small in population to explain the overall state strend.

And snowbirds cuts against him. You can’t blame out of town people for cases with one breath and ask for restaurants, bars, and hotels to stay open with the next. Where does he think the snowbirds were spreading it? Outdoors? Or at the bar in the evening?
 
dad4 said:
No need to contest it. Hound has a valid point on elderly demographics for FL and NV.

I suspect NY, MA, and CA look a little better than they really are because of the number of people who retire out of state. I’d need numbers to say how much.

I don’t believe Hound has a point on native American reservations. Apache and Navajo are just too small in population to explain the overall state strend.

And snowbirds cuts against him. You can’t blame out of town people for cases with one breath and ask for restaurants, bars, and hotels to stay open with the next. Where does he think the snowbirds were spreading it? Outdoors? Or at the bar in the evening?
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My wife and I spoke with a Native American lady in Oklahoma and she told us that the poor Native American tribes were being offered $1000 to take jab. I wake my wife up if I need to to double check on my information. I think it was $1000 per family member. She was so sad because the poor Natives felt desperate and she said most took the folks up on the $1K each. Also, regarding the AZ cause of death by or because of Covid or by no vax or vax death cause. Crush has two cents worth of information. I think Husker and Golden Gate are looking to have me removed by Dom. My One Cent- Lot's of people have moved from California to AZ the last two years and the last 40 years. My Two Cent- My neighbor's pal had a heart attack last week and died in Scottsdale. He moved from OC to AZ last year. The death is ruled AZ death when the fact is the dude who died lived in Cali his whole life. This is what happens when you play math games with death. It's a sick way to wake up and play games like that.
 
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Desert Hound said:
We have an unusually high death rate on the reservations. People on the reservations have a history of not being terribly healthy. NM is another state that has significant deaths on reservations. Both states took vastly different approaches. And yet outcomes are not that different.

I am a big fan of AZ. Outside of a couple weeks at the beginning of the school yr last yr they were in school full time. Your kid and most in CA didn't have that luxury.

That right there is check and mate over CA. My kids didn't suffer getting stuck wasting a yr not going to school, hanging with friends in school, playing sports, both HS and club.
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Native Americans make up 5% of the AZ population and 12% of the Covid deaths. That's disproportionately high, but doesn't really explain the higher death rate in AZ - its a (minor) factor.

Most of the public HS that kids on my son's team went to were closed for a large portion of the school year. Charter & private schools followed their own paths, excluding a few weeks at the start of the school year as you said. Most every school, that I'm aware of also had an online learning option and so followed a hybrid model with mask mandates in school.

Fwiw, I do think AZ has handled it better than CA, and I'm happy about that.
 
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