Vaccine

espola said:
Interesting article. I fail to see the supposed point that covid is a vascular disease any more than it is a lung disease. A person heavily infected with the virus is likely to see declining health effects in all body systems.
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Actually plenty of evidence that it's mainly vascular. The impairment of blood circulation was always weird. 40% of deaths related to cardiovascular events is also weird. Inflammation, kidney damage, brain swelling. All weird stuff not usually found in SARS/H1NI. Just weird. It starts as a respiratory disease but what kills people is usually vascular related. It's why venting just didn't work. You can vent air but you still need the blood to deliver.


People are a little freaked out. A respiratory virus that infects the blood and circulates is crazy.

There is a reason why there should be a suspicious approach to figuring out how the virus was introduced to the general population. Blaming bats and wet markets isn't good enough and too vanilla. Bats are always the fall guys. Poor bats.
 
Grace T. said:
Is this a concession from you that we shouldn't be masking kids

And yes there are those as well (much more in the minority) that don't believe masks work on the general public (see Scandinavia)
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No concession. Just declining to hop down that particular small rabbit hole. Masks on 2 year olds is a side question. Let’s talk about the general case first: Able bodied teenagers and adults.

Are there any respected epidemiologists who believe the general public would be better off if we did not wear masks.

Note that I asked about epidemiologists, not Swedish politicians. I’m sure you can find politicians who believe all sorts of things.
 
espola said:
Interesting article. I fail to see the supposed point that covid is a vascular disease any more than it is a lung disease. A person heavily infected with the virus is likely to see declining health effects in all body systems.
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Interesting response.
 
dad4 said:
No concession. Just declining to hop down that particular small rabbit hole. Masks on 2 year olds is a side question. Let’s talk about the general case first: Able bodied teenagers and adults.

Are there any respected epidemiologists who believe the general public would be better off if we did not wear masks.

Note that I asked about epidemiologists, not Swedish politicians. I’m sure you can find politicians who believe all sorts of things.
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Yes, the nordic ones. There's also the English ones too (but they are divided)...at least presently....their idea being to end this the vaxxed need to also have natural immunity. Those have even been posted in the forums before.

You are declining to jump down the rabbit hole which is an illustration for you of where you, who defer to experts, is in the minority. We all know your answer....may as well say it....it's because you trust Fauci. You need the study by Fauci. You want to know what Fauci says about it.

What I want to know, is if you are unqualified to judge, why you picked Fauci over the Europeans, particularly in situations where you are in the minority or at parity.
 
espola said:
Reality?

To sum up, here are three reasons why you should not use ivermectin to try to prevent COVID-19:
  • Ivermectin is not proven to be effective for COVID-19.
  • Using ivermectin not as it was intended can cause a variety of health risks, even death.
  • You are not a horse or a cow and a large dose of ivermectin is highly toxic.

www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org

3 Reasons Not to Use Ivermectin for COVID-19 | Hackensack Meridian Health

Ivermectin: 3 reasons not to use it for COVID-19. Learn why from Dr. Balani and protect your health. Call 800-822-8905.
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Strawman
 
dad4 said:
No concession. Just declining to hop down that particular small rabbit hole. Masks on 2 year olds is a side question. Let’s talk about the general case first: Able bodied teenagers and adults.

Are there any respected epidemiologists who believe the general public would be better off if we did not wear masks.
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Are there any respected epidemiologists who believe the general public would be better off if we did wear masks? Generally?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
We've been camping twice at San Onofre on the military side. No issues. Public sites seem to be fine issueless as well. No mask required at eateries.
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Well, "camping" was a reference to what they were allowing some to do on the public beaches in LA County that weren't campsites. They had a few fires, fights/stabbings, etc. IIRC.
 

Today someone shared this chart, generated by the Financial Times. Try to pick out which one of these countries hasn't implemented a vaccine passport system:
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I'll bet you know which one it is.

Meanwhile, parts of Europe are going back into lockdown. Austria is locking down the one-third of the population that is unvaccinated. The Netherlands is 72% fully vaccinated and is going into lockdown for everyone, vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Wouldn't it be nice if, instead of inanely blaming "the unvaccinated" for this, the robots on social media would at least admit that this isn't how they expected it to go, and that there shouldn't be this level of cases and deaths after the introduction of vaccines?

It's like Sweden: we were supposed to believe that Sweden would have one of the worst death rates in the world because it ignored the so-called experts demanding lockdown. Well, Sweden is currently #53 in the world for COVID death rate. Number fifty-three. Not one. Not two. Not ten. Not twenty. Fifty-three.

The crazies are still criticizing Sweden, naturally. But my question is: when you were screaming hysterically at Sweden to lock down, did you think they'd end up all the way down at number 53 in the world in death rate? Aren't you the least bit curious about that? Is there a chance that if we hadn't wrecked societies it wouldn't have made any difference anyway?
 
what-happened said:
Actually plenty of evidence that it's mainly vascular. The impairment of blood circulation was always weird. 40% of deaths related to cardiovascular events is also weird. Inflammation, kidney damage, brain swelling. All weird stuff not usually found in SARS/H1NI. Just weird. It starts as a respiratory disease but what kills people is usually vascular related. It's why venting just didn't work. You can vent air but you still need the blood to deliver.


People are a little freaked out. A respiratory virus that infects the blood and circulates is crazy.

There is a reason why there should be a suspicious approach to figuring out how the virus was introduced to the general population. Blaming bats and wet markets isn't good enough and too vanilla. Bats are always the fall guys. Poor bats.
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Are we talking mode of entry or residual effects?
 
Same with Florida: did the hysterics expect them to have one of the better rates of age-adjusted COVID mortality in the United States? Of course not. They were warning that Florida would be one of the worst.

And yet in none of these cases can they bring themselves to say: thank goodness things turned out better than we predicted! Instead, they just double down.
 
Grace T. said:
Yes, the nordic ones. There's also the English ones too (but they are divided)...at least presently....their idea being to end this the vaxxed need to also have natural immunity. Those have even been posted in the forums before.

You are declining to jump down the rabbit hole which is an illustration for you of where you, who defer to experts, is in the minority. We all know your answer....may as well say it....it's because you trust Fauci. You need the study by Fauci. You want to know what Fauci says about it.

What I want to know, is if you are unqualified to judge, why you picked Fauci over the Europeans, particularly in situations where you are in the minority or at parity.
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And yet, despite being what Grace calls a majority, these famous Nordic epidemiologists do not appear to have names....
 
watfly said:
Well I'm biased, but San Diego is awesome. It is definitely not LA or Bay Area. LA has turned into a shithole and the Bay Area is a failed social experiment. We have a buffer called Camp Pendleton that separates us from a lot of lunacy. San Diego is chill compared to SF/LA/OC. San Diegans biggest concern is the weather. It varies by area but most people regardless of race and economics are generally moderate. I'd also say we're more culturally integrated than most cities. Mask, no mask it doesn't matter, we mind our own business. Very little of the nanny state crap you see in NoCal. Traffic is relatively light compared to LA and SF.

San Diego is not perfect but it has a lot to offer.
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I love San Diego. Today was epic anywhere by the beach. SD is chill and safe. Marines, Seals, Top Gun and war ships.
 
crush said:
I love San Diego. Today was epic anywhere by the beach. SD is chill and safe. Marines, Seals, Top Gun and war ships.
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Interesting the services are being mandated to be vaccinated and uphold right to due process, and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment after taking an oath to protect those rights that are clearly being violated.
 
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