Vaccine

Again, we go with fool. Like I said, he is not an anti-NPI nut. The fact that HE of all people is laying this out is frankly shocking, even to me. And it would absolutely destroy dad4's world if it's true (which again, I'm not taking a position on whether it is or isn't)

I watched the video. He doesn't say what you said he did. You have done that more than once when linking his videos. It ends up being your opinion of his opinions of articles. Did you ever play the party game Gossip or Telephone?
 
I watched the video. He doesn't say what you said he did. You have done that more than once when linking his videos. It ends up being your opinion of his opinions of articles. Did you ever play the party game Gossip or Telephone?

Then you didn't understand it, or the implications. Coming from you, not really surprising.

p.s. watch out for the barn!!!

p.p.s. he isn't really taking a position either....but he's summarizing some pretty shocking data and is opining it is optimistic.
 
Then you didn't understand it, or the implications.

I think the implications are related to the efficacy of immunity from natural infection and repeated exposure… via vaccine or otherwise.

What it is not, is a policy recommendation to willfully expose individuals or not use NPI’s, or not promote booster shots.

Espola’s ‘fact check’ gets an passing grade from me… assuming he admits that he fact checked a presumption as to your opinion.
 
Espola’s ‘fact check’ gets an passing grade from me… assuming he admits that he fact checked a presumption as to your opinion.

Ok.. this ‘summary’ does have a fair share of opinion in the interpretation.

So, it is possible that for the non-elderly, non-immunocompromised, which will need boosters perhaps multiple boosters, is that while vaccine immunity is at its highest, the best thing we can do to end this is TO ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE EXPOSED AND/OR INFECTED with the virus. That has enormous implications including: 1) children should not be vaxxed...if the vax doesn't stop disease or even massively reduce hospitalizations, since they don't suffer from the severe form, it's probably better for them, particularly the under 12, to just get repeated exposures to the virus, 2) people while at a high level of immunity from the vaccine would need to risk natural exposure, 3) NPIS such as masks and dining/crowd restrictions are actually counter productive to ending the pandemic and is just prolonging the misery.


While the conclusions in the summary above… are not from the source linked, it is basis for the ‘contra’ argument that was being presented.

Again, I'm not sure who is right at this particular point and am open minded either way
 
Nuremberg Code #7

Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
 

@ Dad of 4 kids, watch this short video. I bet Father of Lies Espola will watch to fact check if this is a true video. This is from a real doctor. You can;t trust anyone if all they do is lie for political gain. All the kids are pawns and those who have a few questions are being controlled, locked out and kicked out of all that life has to offer and it's pure evil. Science Magicians. No need for a mask at all according to so any, if Dr. F said their is no need for a mask. Bruddah IZ, we need your fact sheets. Keep bringing them bro. Me & Grace and anyone with an honest brain and a heart full of gold can see the truth. Liars only lie. They just talk lie. Lying is it's own language btw. Thank you for showing us the truth IZ. The Father of Lies has been lying and making pawns out of kids. Sickos and Espola is here 24/7 with no kids. Imagine an old man on here with no kids in the game. Why? These men are full of darkness. Their hearts are so hard and their eyes are blind and their ears are clogged with bullshit from the BS in their brain. True losers in every sense. Their time is up. Nowhere to hide. The Light is never going away but the darkness and those who live in darkness will be no more. Can I get a hallelujah and a Amen? They make fun of all that has happen in the war for the last 20 years and just chalk it up as an, "oh well." They mock our soldiers who lost legs. They mock those WHO think for themselves. Their scared little men who face judgement like at no other time. Judgement is coming and it will be swift. The game is over and now you must answer to the One.
 

Two can play this game.


Rev. Jesse Jackson and his wife have been hospitalized after testing positive for Covid-19

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Jackson received his first Covid-19 vaccine dose in January at an event to promote African American confidence in vaccinations, according to a statement at the time from RPC.
Breakthrough infections for those who are vaccinated have been reported.
 
I think the implications are related to the efficacy of immunity from natural infection and repeated exposure… via vaccine or otherwise.

What it is not, is a policy recommendation to willfully expose individuals or not use NPI’s, or not promote booster shots.

Espola’s ‘fact check’ gets an passing grade from me… assuming he admits that he fact checked a presumption as to your opinion.
I agree that neither Campbell nor I are making a policy recommendation here. As I stated I don’t know who is right…Gottlieb or Campbell. But if what Campbell is saying turns out to be true, it does have certain policy implications that flow from that. I would never presume to summarize Campbell. He’s too good for that. I’m just giving a thumbnail and laying out what logically flows from that (a lot of which he touches on the video as well)

as for espola he won’t admit this is conditional in campbells video being correct. I don’t know if it is or isn’t and I’m not advocating it. He says I am. I frankly find the possibility this video would be true shocking. If dad4, roadrunner, the evil one, husker had the courage to watch, theyd find it horrifying
 
I agree that neither Campbell nor I are making a policy recommendation here. As I stated I don’t know who is right…Gottlieb or Campbell. But if what Campbell is saying turns out to be true, it does have certain policy implications that flow from that. I would never presume to summarize Campbell. He’s too good for that. I’m just giving a thumbnail and laying out what logically flows from that (a lot of which he touches on the video as well)

as for espola he won’t admit this is conditional in campbells video being correct. I don’t know if it is or isn’t and I’m not advocating it. He says I am. I frankly find the possibility this video would be true shocking. If dad4, roadrunner, the evil one, husker had the courage to watch, theyd find it horrifying
I love you Grace. I need people like you around me all the time :)
 
Teacher here. Opposite my expectations, 95% of my 6-7 year olds don’t care. They’re perfectly used to wearing the mask. We take them off when we go outside, and I have to remind them every single day to take them off. I rarely have to remind them to put them on. I hate wearing the mask, but it’s not that big a deal. It sure did seem to cut down on the spread of illness of all kinds from kid to kid last year. Kids don’t have political bias so their reaction is quite pure and uncomplicated.
And teachable for better or worse.
 
How many payroll checks have you missed in the last 18 months? How many people have you attempted to hire in the last 18 months? How many rent checks did you try to collect in the last 18 months? Just get in line? This is the exact arrogance that I'm referring to.

Now admittedly relative to everyone else our family did great during Covid, in part because we took a common sense approach to Covid and not a fear based approach. I was really lucky too because business was great. However, many were much less fortunate. Mostly children because of the burdens we put on them, because adults couldn't handle their own business.

Right now we can't open our youth services club houses to full capacity, because we can't get employees due to the overly generous unemployment benefits. We serve underprivileged kids, they are now left without a safe place to go to after school.

We need to stop making decisions based solely on the opinions of "experts" and start considering the input of stakeholders.
Hard to convince the pro-vax folks that comparing a single event to itself is not as scientific as is comparing it to the science of past respiratory viruses that have evolved with us. They are not open to the possibility or probability that we would not be a world population of nearly 7 billion and growing if not for viral updates via viruses. Duh!
 
And teachable for better or worse.
Bruddah IZ is back. Missed you man. Grace is singing your praises bro but we know where all your smarts come from. You crossed over and I'm super stoked to be in this war with you and all the others in our Fox hole. Sniper fire is starting to simmer and we might just be able to get out alive and free ourselves from some real selfish A-Holes. Nothing like being stuck in a Fox hole with A-Hole!!
 
Update on San Diego County Covid and kids:

99.95% of age 0-19 have not been hospitalized with Covid in the last 18 months. (525 hospitalizations vs population of 867,245)
99.9998% of age 0-19 have not died with Covid in the last 18 months. (2 deaths vs population of 867,245)
Shocking right?
 
Bruddah IZ is back. Missed you man. Grace is singing your praises bro but we know where all your smarts come from. You crossed over and I'm super stoked to be in this war with you and all the others in our Fox hole. Sniper fire is starting to simmer and we might just be able to get out alive and free ourselves from some real selfish A-Holes. Nothing like being stuck in a Fox hole with A-Hole!!
It’s harvest season. I was out working the aina the last couple of days and prepping for the latest release of quercetins in a bottle. We picked about 2 1/2 tons of sauvignon blanc friday morn’. I’m not a whites fan but I must say some chilled sauv or fallanghina on a hot day is pretty refreshing. Otherwise the Tempranillo we picked 3 years ago is beyond it’s years so the owner made the call to release yesterday. Bold with a good nose and a nice dry finish. Two five ounce glasses a day is a part of my overall health plan. Being in the vineyards at 5am is a special experience up in Highland Valley, Escondido.
 

@ Dad of 4 kids, watch this short video. I bet Father of Lies Espola will watch to fact check if this is a true video. This is from a real doctor. You can;t trust anyone if all they do is lie for political gain. All the kids are pawns and those who have a few questions are being controlled, locked out and kicked out of all that life has to offer and it's pure evil. Science Magicians. No need for a mask at all according to so any, if Dr. F said their is no need for a mask. Bruddah IZ, we need your fact sheets. Keep bringing them bro. Me & Grace and anyone with an honest brain and a heart full of gold can see the truth. Liars only lie. They just talk lie. Lying is it's own language btw. Thank you for showing us the truth IZ. The Father of Lies has been lying and making pawns out of kids. Sickos and Espola is here 24/7 with no kids. Imagine an old man on here with no kids in the game. Why? These men are full of darkness. Their hearts are so hard and their eyes are blind and their ears are clogged with bullshit from the BS in their brain. True losers in every sense. Their time is up. Nowhere to hide. The Light is never going away but the darkness and those who live in darkness will be no more. Can I get a hallelujah and a Amen? They make fun of all that has happen in the war for the last 20 years and just chalk it up as an, "oh well." They mock our soldiers who lost legs. They mock those WHO think for themselves. Their scared little men who face judgement like at no other time. Judgement is coming and it will be swift. The game is over and now you must answer to the One.
They have had more than a year to study the issue and have yet to come up with something more definitive. It’s almost as if they don’t want to know the answer.
 
I watched the video. He doesn't say what you said he did. You have done that more than once when linking his videos. It ends up being your opinion of his opinions of articles. Did you ever play the party game Gossip or Telephone?

Exactly, he gives titles of articles, shares short quotes from various sources, but also shares partially accurate information and makes some large assumptions. It was a weird approach, in my opinion, and I wouldn't use this as a source for much. Because some of the things he said were flat out wrong, it made me question his credibility on this topic.
 
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