Why is that scary?
Vaccine
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Why is that scary?
Projecting?
I don’t think you understood the post.
Grace posted a garbage pseudo-study, and I explained why it was garbage.
No one was even pretending to predict the future. The twitter dude made an attempt to explain the past, and I explained why it was trash - statistically speaking.
whatithink
GOLD
Its weird that people would think that's scary. The EU have a Digital Covid Cert that they are using to travel, sits on your phone and is also being used to gain entry to places that require it - many on here will be happy with its scope, i.e. the inclusion of the third one. They've issued millions so far. How is it any different to showing ID to get into a bar or requiring certain vaccinations before visiting certain countries.
The EU Digital COVID Certificate (DCC) is proof (in digital or paper format) that you have either:
- been vaccinated against COVID-19 or
- received a negative COVID-19 test result or
- recovered from COVID-19 in the last 6 months
And my point stands as valid…when you figure it out, you will understand.
hint: have you ever heard the phrase, “that’s why they play the game”?
What is scary is that we are going thru such lengths for a a virus with the statistics that it has. These are unprecedented measures that are extreme by historical measures.
Even the policy makers seem to be in on the “Fear Theater”……
Rashida Tlaib admits she only wore mask at event because GOP 'tracker' was nearby
Rep. Rashida Tlaib was caught on camera admitting she was only wearing a mask because a "Republican tracker" was following her.
And people wonder why there is skepticism…..makes you wonder who is really spreading misinformation???
Hüsker Dü
DA
Strange how ID mandates fall between ideological lines. The right wants voter ID for registered voters. Registered, i.e. already on the books as an American citizen with the right to vote . . . but where do those on the right fall on gun registration? Now it’s Covid ID’s? So it’s ok for people to own guns with no paper trail or walk around like a feral cat with who knows what kind of diseases, but Americans need to prove they are Americans over and over?
Things are heating up in the work places, City of LA, and 5-11 children.
www.latimes.com
City of LA indoor vax mandate nov29
abc7.com
Pfizer officially asks FDA to greenlight vaccine for kids ages 5-11
abc7.com
UCLA anesthesiologist, vocal against COVID vaccine mandates, is escorted out of workplace
UCLA anesthesiologist Dr. Christopher B. Rake was escorted out of his workplace for not being vaccinated against COVID-19.
www.latimes.com
City of LA indoor vax mandate nov29
Garcetti signs COVID vaccine mandate for indoor spaces starting Nov. 29
Mayor Garcetti has signed an ordinance to require people in Los Angeles to show proof of vaccination before entering indoor establishments.
abc7.com
Pfizer officially asks FDA to greenlight vaccine for kids ages 5-11
Pfizer officially asks FDA to greenlight vaccine for kids ages 5-11
FDA's advisers are scheduled to debate the evidence later this month.
abc7.com
what-happened
GOLD
It's not weird. Just because the EU does it doesn't mean we need to do it.
1. Going 100% complete digital would increase inequality off the bat. The homeless, the disabled, and 40% of those over 65 don't have smart phones.
2. Why create anothe new data base for amassing personal data?
3. What's wrong with a paper version? passports seem to work just fine NOT being digital?
Let's work on getting the vaccine equitably distributed. There is plenty of work to be done in getting people vaccinated. Creating a hard to construct digital infrastructure to show proof of vaccination is a waste of time and money.
It's interesting that at first, our governmen clearly expressed zero interest in creating a federal system to track vaccination. Now we are slowly reversing course. Plenty of social pressure being placed to go the route that EU is trying to create. The EU isn' there yet with a central system.
what-happened
GOLD
Why create another data base? Is this 100% accessible to all? Will the homeless not be allowed into starbucks to use the bathroom if they don't present a vaccine passport on their smartphone?
Don't know if you've ever been to NYC, not too many public restrooms available. Imagine the line at The Shops at Columbus Circle for the public restroom? They are already long on a normal day. Now imgaine having to scan your vaccine passport to use the bathroom.
Politicians are often so narrow-minded and stubborn on an issue (typically an issue that fits their narrative) that their either incapable of, or intentionally ignore, predictable collateral consequences. This has never been more true than during the pandemic. The left thinks they're sticking it to white, Trump supporting anti-vaxxers when in reality their policies are discriminating against black Americans and the less fortunate.
I pretty much disagree with everything you just said. Pretty myopic.
Seems like maybe you chose the wrong word. Upwards of 95% of homeless people have cell phones, 80% of which are smart phones. I don't think that's as big of an issue as you think it is. Lack of public restrooms is an issue in pretty much every large city. San Francisco is a great example. It's a problem, no doubt, but that has nothing to do with vaccination certification. It really can't get any worse than it already is. I've seen things in SF that I wish I hadn't.
what-happened
GOLD
The restroom comment is facetious and directed at the idea of having to scan your phone to enter the shops by those with smart phones.
Don't know how much you work with the homeless. Many do have cell phones and it's proven to be a somewhat effective way to provide health care. having a cell phone and using a cell phone are two different things. Let's not hijack this thread though. Cell phone usage amongst the homeless isn't the same as those people who live outside of their situation.
Huh? Maybe in your area?
95% Of homeless with cell phone service?
I've Volunteer with The Shower of Hope in the LA metro area and I would say about 33% had/have cell phone service.
Any documentation or identification can be difficult for some homeless including paper.
whatithink
GOLD
So,
- The EU one is either digital or paper - it literally said that in what I quoted
- meh, its like the TSA precheck - the EU one is for ease of travel - and I don't see anyone screaming about that.
- Nothing, you can do the paper all you want.
- BTW, you do know that IDs in the US are going digital, e.g. "Tech giant Apple has announced that eight US states will start accepting driver’s licenses and other state IDs that are stored on iPhones and Apple Watch. Arizona and Georgia will be the first states to allow their residents to use this system, and will be followed by Connecticut, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Oklahoma and Utah."
what-happened
GOLD
Don't bother. The Homeless and phones usage is a complex and layered issue. Having a phone doesn't mean using a phone. The numbers he pulled are from self reported surveys. The homeless are very hard to poll and are very hard to support with government sponsored programs that provide them cell services to leverage health care and assistance
The point is that digital vaccination passports will not be inclusive of certain populations. To think it's a panacea is short sighted.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
You disagree that the vaccine requirements don't inordinately affect POC. Pretty ignorant.
what-happened
GOLD
I get it. We are being collected on all the time and there are things that we do that make our life more convenient. Vaccine passports will discriminate. People should be screaming about that. Funny that they are not.
Vaccine passports for a disease that will eventually become endemic?
Things are heating up in the work places, City of LA, and 5-11 children.
UCLA anesthesiologist, vocal against COVID vaccine mandates, is escorted out of workplace
UCLA anesthesiologist Dr. Christopher B. Rake was escorted out of his workplace for not being vaccinated against COVID-19.
City of LA indoor vax mandate nov29
Garcetti signs COVID vaccine mandate for indoor spaces starting Nov. 29
Mayor Garcetti has signed an ordinance to require people in Los Angeles to show proof of vaccination before entering indoor establishments.
Pfizer officially asks FDA to greenlight vaccine for kids ages 5-11
Pfizer officially asks FDA to greenlight vaccine for kids ages 5-11
FDA's advisers are scheduled to debate the evidence later this month.
Us census bureau is apparently reporting 1 in 12 children is now homeschooled. There are a bunch of reasons for it including: COVID fear, shutdown fears/restrictions such as on after school care and busing/quarantine fears, COVID protocols at school like masks, the CRT theory debate, etc. But mandating the vaccine for 5-11 is going to have an impact (probably small but nevertheless an impact...especially with the younger ones). It's also going to further exacerbate our labor problems as women bear the brunt of childcare.