I think most required vaccinations are for endemic diseases.
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If the sample size is too small it's because Florida cases are declining so rapidly that kids aren't getting sick so there isn't a huge pool there. In which case, again, what's the rationale for masking kids?
Desert Hound
DA
You know what we do know?
That kids in school are not a risk.
Last year you were VERY concerned about the states sending their kids back to school. You were also very worried about colleges having classes. Assuring us that this indeed would be very bad.
What did the data show?
There was no concern.
And that ties in with masks or no masks in school. It won't make a difference one way. The first way is they dont really work. The 2nd and most important reason is these age groups have zero risk.
Putting a mask on a kid or a college student is just safety theater. It in no way changes the risk profile with is NIL.
That is why when they study areas where kids wore masks in schools vs those with no masks...they cannot find any real difference in outcomes.
Desert Hound
DA
And yet over the past year or so I have seen you highlight reports with small sample sizes as proof. The hair dresser example with a 100 people or so is one that you have used a variety of times as just one example.
Consistency on your part? FAIL
GoldenGate
GOLD
Racists try to make themselves feel better by rationalizing that the negative consequences of any government action they don't like have an outsized impact on the poor and therefore minorities. The problem, of course, is that the negative consequences of any government action - or inaction - always have outsized impacts on the poor, especially when you ignore all the positive benefits of those policies like Watfly does. The poor obviously can't get vaccinated nearly as easily as the wealthy even when it is free. The poor have less access to quality remote education, or safe in person education at fancy schools with a lot of cash to take precautions. The poor have far less ability to socially distance at work because a higher percentage work manufacturing or logistics where they can't just come in the back and close the door to their posh admin offices. The poor have much less access to quality healthcare if they get sick. Of course, the racists' solution is not to help the poor overcome any of these systemic problems in society. Rather, it is to make them worse and then rationalize ridiculously stupid things like how we should discourage vaccination because that's what is obviously best for the people who manufacture all the poultry they want to stay at $5.00 a pound without regard to how many processing plant workers die. Or oppose vaccine mandates for hospital staff because Cedar Sinai has a shit ton of staff and pretty swanky accommodations to limit spread in the most spreadable places on the planet, whereas hospitals in the Central Valley and most poor areas lack those resources. People like Watfly want less quality public education for the poor because they think that costs them money and they want to keep away from their own kids' nice schools. They want to provide even less healthcare access for the poor because they think it costs them money although, not surprisingly, they are totally cool with the billions and billions that their dumbfuck bumpkin anti-vaxxers cultists are racking up in ventilator costs for no reason other than sheer stupidity. But Watfly sure as shit wants all the garbage he buys on Amazon delivered without delays or cost increases regardless of how many people working low income jobs manufacturing and warehousing need it die.
Watfly is not "doing it for the black people." He's like a shit ton of Herman Cain Award winners who try to rationalize their own lack of empathy towards the poor and racism by claiming that things like free vaccines, free ipads and internet access for the needy, free healthcare, free anything that benefits the poor is racist.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...his_winner_had_some_advanced_brain_worms_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...t_insurrection_supporting_grandpa_said_no_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain.../man_posts_antivax_and_racist_memes_daughter/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...ryone_meet_derek_a_racist_antivaxxer_who_met/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pfvwxy/racist_grandma_is_outta_time/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...t_steven_is_with_the_lord_now_if_the_lord_is/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pcse8y/hc_freedom_award_for_this_racist_asshole/
whatithink
GOLD
Vaccine passports are a choice. You are free to get one or not. Why would anyone be screaming about freedom of choice? Isn't freedom the American way? I do understand people screaming when someone takes away your freedom to choose. That's very un-American, you know, taking away our freedoms and trying to mandate what we can and cannot do with our bodies, especially when it only impact some Americans, but not all - that's certainly discrimination.
Desert Hound
DA
It is unprecedented. That is why we have to fight back against it.
It is infringement upon our rights based on a virus that is of no real threat to the majority of the population.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Who said you were pretending?
Sample size in this case is number of jurisdictions, nit the number of people.
Kind of moot anyway. If you want to do a natural experiment like he did, you also need to think about selection bias possible alternate explanations. That is, were there any other differences between the mask mandate districts and the non-mask mandate districts. For example, the mask mandate districts are likely to have populations which were more worried about covid in other ways. This would affect both the height of the peak, and therefore the rate of post peak decline.
Ok. Now that’s two reasons your Twitter “study” is garbage. Need more? Or can we just stop pretending that “I saw this thing on bit chute” counts as evidence?
Bruddah IZ
DA
How do they prove recovery?
whatithink
GOLD
Google is your friend. The EU is exhaustive in providing details for their programs.
Desert Hound
DA
THIS ^^^^
Madness what they want to do.
By the way THIS is why we shouldn't be mandating the vaxx...and especially on kids with no risks. We have yet to know if there are any long term affects. Note...the article doesn't say what they are seeing is because of the vax, but on the other hand they don't know yet. That is why long term studies need to be done before we mandate people take a vaxx.
500,000+ Adverse Events Reported After COVID Vaccination
Over 500,000 adverse issues have been reported after receiving COVID vaccinations in the United States, including temperature, skin and neuropathy related issues. As reported by Just the News, 226,457 temperature related issues, 174,793 skin
humanevents.com
Bruddah IZ
DA
Selection bias sounds about right. Corona has been extremely selective. It chooses the elderly and the immuno-suppressed. But we've known that since May 2020. Mandates are one size fits all. That's not Science. That is garbage.
Oh please. As Hound pointed out a lot of the stuff the CDC has put out (like the hairdresser, county and carrier studies) were all garbage too. The double explanation was pointed out to you in those studies too (such as on the carrier or the Bangladesh study it combined the effects of masks and distancing) but you dismissed those too.
I'm not claiming it's probative of anything. But they are interesting in the same way your studies were.
And I notice you still have no response for Dr. Chicken Little who even he seems to have run off your island. Like studies, you only like the experts that agree with you.
The "people are children" argument against vaccine mandates.
ianmsc.substack.com
With Each Passing Day the Supposed Justifications For Vaccine Passports Are Being Proven Wrong
New data contradicts the push for anti-science authoritarianism
ianmsc.substack.com
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Should we start a GoFundMe to get a therapist for GG?
GoldenGate
GOLD
It's so unprecedented that the US Supreme Court has upheld the legality of mandatory vaccinations - twice.
Does your plan to fight back involve storming the Capitol again? Or maybe another recount? As long as Cyber Ninjas are fleecing all of you anti-vaxxer/mask cultists, maybe you should ask them to recount the 700,000 plus who have already died of Covid.
I read Osterholm’s piece.
It reads like he is overcorrecting after his hurricane comments.
His view on masks effectiveness (25%) is reasonable. I do disagree with the lens he puts on it. “How long can I stay in this room” is the wrong question. It is not actually true that 14 minutes is safe and 16 minutes is not safe. So, “adds 5 minutes to a 15 minute window” just compares a misleading number against itself.
I don’t dismiss distance in the Bangladesh study. You are saying the masked clusters might have also kept their distance better. Could be true, but it doesn’t change the result. Masks still work, you are just arguing about how they work.
It is possible that surgical masks were effective because they made everyone think about doctors. Or maybe people in Bangladesh find masks unattractive, and therefore stay further away. It doesn’t matter. You are just arguing the mechanism. The effect is still that surgical masks reduced transmission.
GoldenGate
GOLD
Thanks, but I feel like you anti-vaxxers/maskers are spending all your GoFundMe money on the Herman Cain Award winners.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain..._firefighter_raised_awareness_for_cancer_but/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...ay_went_to_a_massive_local_rock_festival_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pi92qy/this_q_nut_was_especially_satisfying/
BTW, do you have a goatee like the rest of the nut jobs?
Desert Hound
DA
No. He has been in and out of various "institutions" for years. He gets better in there because they have him on a mandate regime of drugs. Once he gets "better" they release him. After some time he start forgetting to take his meds...and then starts surfing reddit and then posting those results along with his insults here.
So it would be a pointless waste of money.