Vaccine

[kickingandscreaming]

If you bothered looking at the data you would know Delta in the US peaked around Aug 27.

Agreed. I post a link below for those interested. I've found that CNN can be used as a general guideline. Just note how many days it's been since they last posted about cases and/or deaths.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

 

[NorCalDad]

I think Grace T makes a strong case. I told everyone I would be last to take it. I want to make sure all the elderly and the poor around the world has jab. Come find me when the last jabs have been handed out to everyone else. It's the least I can do. I saw some really rich dads run and push everyone out of the way so they could get jabbed first. I saw it with my own eyes.

This is rich. Which is it Crush? Is the vaccine bad or good? You're now saying you're not getting because you want to be a good samaritan, but previously you've said that it's dangerous. I'm going to need more than a shovel to get through this manurer. There are plenty of doses to go around in the US right now Crush.

 

[crush]

NEW - NY Governor Hochul proclaims, "The vaccine comes from God" and asks those present in the megachurch congregation, "I need you to be my apostles."

She wants to be like Jesus I guess and have her own 12 Apostles to spread her message that the Vax is from God and not a Bat or Dr. Fraud and his pal Bill? Espola, is this Coo Coo for Co Co Puffs or Nonsense? I have a message from God as well; walk in the light, it's right. Please start treating your body as a holy body. Humans are hooked on meat and booze. Stop eating meat and then, come follow me ((Jesus, not crush)) and I will give you treasures now and forever more. Jesus is the way, not jabber doos, moo, moo, moo!!! I love you all and soon this will be shown for what it truly is. Love love love and live light

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Nonsense.

q.e.d.

 

[watfly]

I thought we were concerned with the hospital system collapsing?

Vaccine racial disparity gap narrows; 400K Americans got booster shots last weekend: COVID-19 updates

The gap in racial disparities in COVID-19 vaccination rates is closing. New York expands health care workforce. Latest news.

www.usatoday.com

Because of all the asymptomatic employer and school testing, rapid tests in California are in short supply and places that need them (nursing homes, schools trying to avoid quarantining kids and missing school) are having a harder time getting them.

Rapid COVID-19 tests in short supply in California

Californians seeking same-day COVID-19 tests are finding empty shelves and long delays, which could fuel outbreaks.

calmatters.org

Just a couple examples of the negative outcomes of myopic policies and complete failure to understand cause and effect, or ignoring cause and effect because its not politically expedient.

In a partial defense of politicians, they have to act like they're doing something with a grossly disproportionate emphasis on short term results. Its more important to solve problem A without considering its impact on problem B. Unfortunately in this case many have done nothing to materially solve problem A but have completely f'ed up problem B and now have created problems C, D, E, F..... Attorneys and activists, which are your typical politicians, have no experience operating anything, so they are not capable understanding how one part impacts the whole.

 

[Grace T.]

Here's Oregon despite vaccination, outdoor masks, and business restrictions.....

Oregon COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Oregon COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Washington.....

Washington COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Washington COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

British Columbia....

Experience

experience.arcgis.com

The line has clearly moved northward and is now near peak in the north. The only question is once the current wave is done does it start to rise again in the north and head back south again?


As expected, it looks like seasonality has begun to kick in Australia and they seem to hopefully be at peak

Australia COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Australia Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

 

[Bruddah IZ]

NEW - NY Governor Hochul proclaims, "The vaccine comes from God" and asks those present in the megachurch congregation, "I need you to be my apostles."

She wants to be like Jesus I guess and have her own 12 Apostles to spread her message that the Vax is from God and not a Bat or Dr. Fraud and his pal Bill? Espola, is this Coo Coo for Co Co Puffs or Nonsense? I have a message from God as well; walk in the light, it's right. Please start treating your body as a holy body. Humans are hooked on meat and booze. Stop eating meat and then, come follow me ((Jesus, not crush)) and I will give you treasures now and forever more. Jesus is the way, not jabber doos, moo, moo, moo!!! I love you all and soon this will be shown for what it truly is. Love love love and live light

Did she happen to mention the God mandated Immune system? The Anti-immune system whack jobs hate that mandate!

 

[NorCalDad]

There's some evidence natural immunity might be effective for at least a year, which if you are concerned about fading immunity, you really should be more concerned about the vaxxed than the naturally immune. There is a portion of people who are vaxxed (including I venture some posters here on team reality in the forums) who got their first dose who won't necessarily get the second (at least until there's some scientific proof they actually do anything...widespread boosters having been rejected by the CDC and FDA scientific panel for that reason). Not to mention, if you are healthy, it's selfish because you are taking a jab out of the arms of some third world grandma that needs it more than you do (unless you are elderly, immunocompromised or care for someone that is)

Not really concerned with folks who've gotten the vaccination. They don't need convincing. They understand the importance of preventing the spread of covid (and not getting sick themselves). If boosters become a thing, they will get it.

I also think there's a difference between antibody depletion and longer term immunity (both vaccinated and unvaccinated): Here's a good simple read:

Immunity To COVID-19 Could Last Longer Than You'd Think

New studies look at how the mRNA vaccines affect the cells in your body in the short run and the long run. The findings are a counterpoint to concerns about waning immunity.

www.npr.org

Perhaps this is why the FDA is holding off on approving booster shots for the moment (they are allowing for emergency use). I still think booster shots will be a thing at some point.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

I got it Jan 20th, 2020

Probably been bit worse by bed bugs.

 

[crush]

Did she happen to mention the God mandated Immune system? The Anti-immune system whack jobs hate that mandate!

Nope. I had Oats this morning and a tasty fruit smoothie, yummy!! Lunch is looking very nice with baby potato's, peppers, onions, cilantro and salad.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Not really concerned with folks who've gotten the vaccination. They don't need convincing. They understand the importance of preventing the spread of covid (and not getting sick themselves). If boosters become a thing, they will get it.

I also think there's a difference between antibody depletion and longer term immunity (both vaccinated and unvaccinated): Here's a good simple read:

Immunity To COVID-19 Could Last Longer Than You'd Think

New studies look at how the mRNA vaccines affect the cells in your body in the short run and the long run. The findings are a counterpoint to concerns about waning immunity.

www.npr.org

Perhaps this is why the FDA is holding off on approving booster shots for the moment (they are allowing for emergency use). I still think booster shots will be a thing at some point.

Comical

 

[crush]

Not really concerned with folks who've gotten the vaccination. They don't need convincing. They understand the importance of preventing the spread of covid (and not getting sick themselves). If boosters become a thing, they will get it.
Perhaps this is why the FDA is holding off on approving booster shots for the moment (they are allowing for emergency use). I still think booster shots will be a thing at some point.

You really should just be concerned with yourself and not worry about how others decide to live their life. My best friend got jabbed twice and still is on blood thinner. I support you if you want boosters. Please show respect Nocal. Seriously, show respect to those who use immune system and eat healthy as their choice

 

[Grace T.]

Not really concerned with folks who've gotten the vaccination. They don't need convincing. They understand the importance of preventing the spread of covid (and not getting sick themselves). If boosters become a thing, they will get it.

I also think there's a difference between antibody depletion and longer term immunity (both vaccinated and unvaccinated): Here's a good simple read:

Immunity To COVID-19 Could Last Longer Than You'd Think

New studies look at how the mRNA vaccines affect the cells in your body in the short run and the long run. The findings are a counterpoint to concerns about waning immunity.

www.npr.org

Perhaps this is why the FDA is holding off on approving booster shots for the moment (they are allowing for emergency use). I still think booster shots will be a thing at some point.

Fine!

But then I think you are off your original position about how long ago since the vaccinated have the same issue and booster shots aren't yet a real thing.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

You really should just be concerned with yourself and not worry about how others decide to live their life. My best friend got jabbed twice and still is on blood thinner. I support you if you want boosters. Please show respect Nocal. Seriously, show respect to those who use immune system and eat healthy as their choice

Eating healthy is Anti-Big Pharma, Anti-Healthcare, Anti-government, Anti-grandma, Anti-poverty, Anti-global warming, Anti-communism.....

 

[NorCalDad]

Fine!

But then I think you are off your original position about how long ago since the vaccinated have the same issue and booster shots aren't yet a real thing.

Not sure I understand what you're saying there? How am I off my original position? I think boosters are going to be a thing eventually. When?, I have no idea. My original position is that folks that have been infected potentially could be harder to convince to get a booster shot in the future than people who have previously been vaccinated. This doesn't seem like an extreme position to take.

 

[crush]

Eating healthy is Anti-Big Pharma, Anti-Healthcare, Anti-government, Anti-grandma, Anti-poverty, Anti-global warming, Anti-communism.....

Tell me about it. I have some old male friends ((I call them old because their jealous of my body of work and stopped hanging out with me because they eat poison all day)) who are super obese and eat & drink on the road on business trips every week. Big players making big bucks. These guys tell me their going to retire why I still have to work until I day. I'm not trying to judge people, I promise. I do get defensive when both dad(s) and NoCalDad will leave out the immune system as an option instead of jabber doos and booze. I say veggies, fruits, nuts and salads all day long and no jab.

 

[crush]

Not sure I understand what you're saying there? How am I off my original position? I think boosters are going to be a thing eventually. When?, I have no idea. My original position is that folks that have been infected potentially could be harder to convince to get a booster shot in the future than people who have previously been vaccinated. This doesn't seem like an extreme position to take.

By stock in it so your all in dude.

 

[NorCalDad]

You really should just be concerned with yourself and not worry about how others decide to live their life. My best friend got jabbed twice and still is on blood thinner. I support you if you want boosters. Please show respect Nocal. Seriously, show respect to those who use immune system and eat healthy as their choice

Dude, you just wrote: "I told everyone I would be last to take it. I want to make sure all the elderly and the poor around the world has jab. Come find me when the last jabs have been handed out to everyone else. It's the least I can do."

So you want all the poor and elderly to be on blood thinners due to getting"the jab"? Orrrrrr do you want the elderly and the poor to be protected by"the jab" so that they don't die of covid?

Which is it?

 

[Grace T.]

Not sure I understand what you're saying there? How am I off my original position? I think boosters are going to be a thing eventually. When?, I have no idea. My original position is that folks that have been infected potentially could be harder to convince to get a booster shot in the future than people who have previously been vaccinated. This doesn't seem like an extreme position to take.

The original subject of the discussion was whether the unvaccinated should be excluded from things like indoor dining. The conversation then turned to natural immunity which (if as dad4 says was proven with some form of test) should also be exempt. You objected that it depended on when it happened...how long ago. I pointed out that the vaccinated have the same problem. The conversation then turned to that's why there are boosters. But boosters, as you've said, aren't yet a thing...they might be in the future but aren't yet...which renders your objection moot (at least for the time being, but I get not necessarily in the future).

 

[NorCalDad]

The original subject of the discussion was whether the unvaccinated should be excluded from things like indoor dining. The conversation then turned to natural immunity which (if as dad4 says was proven with some form of test) should also be exempt. You objected that it depended on when it happened...how long ago. I pointed out that the vaccinated have the same problem. The conversation then turned to that's why there are boosters. But boosters, as you've said, aren't yet a thing...they might be in the future but aren't yet...which renders your objection moot (at least for the time being, but I get not necessarily in the future).

Ahhh I see. I agreed they should be applied to both vaccinated and infected. The challenge, though, is someone who was infected back in March 2020 (PCR tested -- not "I felt weird for a week that month") could probably be under the assumption that they're good to go. I actually don't have a super strong opinion on who should be allowed to do what. I think businesses should be allowed to make those choices, but maybe be required to publish their policy. My only point was that saying "so and so had covid, right?" isn't necessarily a free pass. Most folks around my neck of the woods got vaccinated between March - May of this year, so while the clock is ticking, we're still a bit ok based on the data. My guess is the booster will be approved if we see another wave come through. Winter would be an ideal time for that to happen.