Vaccine

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For sure, but people who get "the jab" are more likely ok with getting boosters (I most definitely am). We know those that have been infected lose immunity over time. What's the recourse for those folks? Will they get a booster? Or suck down some freshly bottled covid saliva?
Well, if you are arguing that among the vaccinated only people who have had boosters should be allowed in indoor dining if they are more than x months out, at least your argument is consistent.

The rebuttal to that is at a certain point, though, we need to stop being concerned about cases. Everyone is going to be exposed to the virus. If you've been exposed once (whether naturally or through vaccine) you are less likely to develop a severe reaction the second time because the virus is no longer novel to your system. There is evidence that people who have had it and have had at least one dose of the vaccine afterwards are supercharged, so it's probably a good idea. But we need to move on from the idea that cases are a bad thing. The reason why it's a bad idea for someone who hasn't had it and hasn't had the vaccine to go into indoor dining is that they are more likely to die....but they are more likely to die for any reason (going to work for example) so it's sort of beside the point to the dining question.

The other thing to realize is that unless you are immunocompromised, elderly or are a caretaker of the foregoing, your booster is taking a shot out of the arm out of someone in the third world who could have used the first dose and that could have been used to prevent more mutations from arising in the third world. So bit of selfishness going on there to keep you "safe"
 
Three Warriors with some thoughts from NoCal. NoCal is so wrong about this. EOTL and his side kick Golden Gate represent NoCal to a T.

The San Francisco Department of Public Health said last week that there would be no exemption for anyone 12 and older at large indoor gatherings.

NBA: ((China controls this league)) "Under the current order, if unvaccinated, they cannot enter indoor areas regardless of the reason they are unvaccinated and cannot test out of this requirement even if they have a medical or religious exemption," it said in a statement. Wiggins applied for a religious exemption to avoid taking the shot, but that request was denied by the NBA on Friday.

Andrew: "It's not uncomfortable," Wiggins said of all the attention his decision has created. "I'm confident in my beliefs and what I think is right, what I think is wrong. I'm just going to keep doing what I believe. Whether it's one thing or another, just going to keep doing it."

Curry: "At the end of the day, it is up to him," Curry said. "I think it's no secret to that point. We obviously hope that he has all the right information and access to the right resources to ask all the questions he has on making a decision. We hope he's available. We hope it moves in the right direction. My opinion is obviously I got it and ready to be available, and following, you know, the mandates and whatnot.

Andre: "I've been upset reading about Andrew Wiggins because it's painting the wrong picture," Iguodala said. "You know, we're in a day and age now where perception can become reality, and the perception that's going on about him is hurting his value and ultimately can affect the wealth that he accumulates, which is totally unfair. When you do your homework the way it should be done, you understand there's people who [...] have an excuse and there's people who have actual values, and he's a guy that has values, and he's the type of guy who will stand and he's the type of guy I'll risk being around the situation.

"Now, I'm vaccinated and I have an understanding about this, and he has a different understanding, but his understanding is something that I truly respect and I have a value for how he sees life. He's the type of guy that I support the whole way, and hopefully we can find a solution and I think we will."

No jab, not allowed in our town. No jabber doo, no buy or sell which equals=no way to make a living unless you take vax. This is so wrong you guys in NoCal. Shame on you, shame shame shame!!!
 
Actually, in your case, it isn't the mask.

The restaurant should refuse to seat you indoors because you are not vaccinated. Unvaccinated people in high risk settings is a bad idea.

Enjoy your tiramisu outside.
The restaurant should worry first about staying in business. The tyranny of tiny risk has repetitively been shown for what it really is.

18,553,588
Currently Infected Patients

18,461,309 (99.5%)
in Mild Condition

92,279 (0.5%)
Serious or Critical

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
 
Well, if you are arguing that among the vaccinated only people who have had boosters should be allowed in indoor dining if they are more than x months out, at least your argument is consistent.

The rebuttal to that is at a certain point, though, we need to stop being concerned about cases. Everyone is going to be exposed to the virus. If you've been exposed once (whether naturally or through vaccine) you are less likely to develop a severe reaction the second time because the virus is no longer novel to your system. There is evidence that people who have had it and have had at least one dose of the vaccine afterwards are supercharged, so it's probably a good idea. But we need to move on from the idea that cases are a bad thing. The reason why it's a bad idea for someone who hasn't had it and hasn't had the vaccine to go into indoor dining is that they are more likely to die....but they are more likely to die for any reason (going to work for example) so it's sort of beside the point to the dining question.

The other thing to realize is that unless you are immunocompromised, elderly or are a caretaker of the foregoing, your booster is taking a shot out of the arm out of someone in the third world who could have used the first dose and that could have been used to prevent more mutations from arising in the third world. So bit of selfishness going on there to keep you "safe"

Right, my view is consistent here in that it should be applied to both vaccinated and those who've been infected. Moderna appears to be effective up to 93% after 120 days since one's last shot. Pfizer is around 77%. Bummer thing is 54% of those vaccinated in the US took Pfizer. Nonetheless, boosters seem inevitable. I'm less concerned about vaccinated folks getting the booster shot, as they won't really need much convincing. It's the folks who have been infected and are reluctant to even go down that path. I do agree with you that mandates and lockdowns generally don't work in the US given how political everything is. Heck even Trump tried to convince people to get the vaccination. Next thing you know, Alex Jones is calling him an idiot. The crazy out there is very real.

Cases don't matter in places where vaccination rates are high. Perhaps we could include places where natural immunity has been built up as well. But if you look at FL and TX compared to CA these days it's night and day. I think it's undeniable that if FL and TX achieved a higher vaccination rate their death toll wouldn't be where it is today. Hopefully delta is peaking and we don't see another big wave in the near future, but at this point I'm pretty skeptical.
 
Right, my view is consistent here in that it should be applied to both vaccinated and those who've been infected. Moderna appears to be effective up to 93% after 120 days since one's last shot. Pfizer is around 77%. Bummer thing is 54% of those vaccinated in the US took Pfizer. Nonetheless, boosters seem inevitable. I'm less concerned about vaccinated folks getting the booster shot, as they won't really need much convincing. It's the folks who have been infected and are reluctant to even go down that path. I do agree with you that mandates and lockdowns generally don't work in the US given how political everything is. Heck even Trump tried to convince people to get the vaccination. Next thing you know, Alex Jones is calling him an idiot. The crazy out there is very real.

Cases don't matter in places where vaccination rates are high. Perhaps we could include places where natural immunity has been built up as well. But if you look at FL and TX compared to CA these days it's night and day. I think it's undeniable that if FL and TX achieved a higher vaccination rate their death toll wouldn't be where it is today. Hopefully delta is peaking and we don't see another big wave in the near future, but at this point I'm pretty skeptical.
There's some evidence natural immunity might be effective for at least a year, which if you are concerned about fading immunity, you really should be more concerned about the vaxxed than the naturally immune. There is a portion of people who are vaxxed (including I venture some posters here on team reality in the forums) who got their first dose who won't necessarily get the second (at least until there's some scientific proof they actually do anything...widespread boosters having been rejected by the CDC and FDA scientific panel for that reason). Not to mention, if you are healthy, it's selfish because you are taking a jab out of the arms of some third world grandma that needs it more than you do (unless you are elderly, immunocompromised or care for someone that is)
 
Because of all the asymptomatic employer and school testing, rapid tests in California are in short supply and places that need them (nursing homes, schools trying to avoid quarantining kids and missing school) are having a harder time getting them.

 
Nonsense.
I think Grace T makes a strong case. I told everyone I would be last to take it. I want to make sure all the elderly and the poor around the world has jab. Come find me when the last jabs have been handed out to everyone else. It's the least I can do. I saw some really rich dads run and push everyone out of the way so they could get jabbed first. I saw it with my own eyes.
 
UK supply chain for a variety of things from food to gas is in a state of collapse. Their problems are being exacerbated by Brexit, but might it be coming to the US this winter too?

Kamala said to get Christmas shopping done early. I was at beach yesterday for a mind relax walk & meditation. I saw so many cargo ships sitting a few miles out. Getting closer & closer. It's an eye sore for sure but I see it as something worse. Stock up on food folks. These are evil monsters WHO already know they lost a long time ago and so cheating & lying is ok to them because they put it all in. That's why they dont care if someone loses their job ((buy & sell)) because they say no to jab.
 
The restaurant should refuse to seat you indoors because you are not vaccinated. Unvaccinated people in high risk settings is a bad idea.
With Delta the vaxxed spread the virus at similar levels to the unvaxxed.

So it doesn't make a difference.

The vast vast majority of the unvaxxed have little risk AND they have made their choice.

So again it doesn't make a difference if they are inside or outdoors.

It is time to move on and live life. Long past that already.
 
If you bothered looking at the data you would know Delta in the US peaked around Aug 27.
These fools are out of waves Hound. Now they go around scaring people that a giant tidal wave is going come someday. They ruined peoples lives because they lost in 2016 and then were allowed to cheat in 2020 so they could ALL finally get caught on video and text. We have it all Hound and no one is going to escape justice this time. This was the biggest sting ((Rat Trap Ever)) operation ever. Fraudsters no more!!!
 
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Because of all the asymptomatic employer and school testing, rapid tests in California are in short supply and places that need them (nursing homes, schools trying to avoid quarantining kids and missing school) are having a harder time getting them.

Well yeah, when cases are running as rampant as they are in CA, we should test everyone all the time.

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