Vaccine

That’s because AZ infected so many people early in the pandemic.

If you look carefully at your data, you’ll notice that AZ has almost three times as many deaths per capita as WA.

You’re even getting close to passing New York. They’re at 280 per 100K, you’re at 266. One thousand more deaths and you guys take the lead!!!

Actually, you’ll have a hard time passing Mississippi. They‘re up at 308 already, and are adding 1.4 per day. Just goes to show what can happen when your vax rate is down at 42% and you hold the line against those awful mask mandates.
The part you miss and CONSTANTLY refuse to address is the following.

MS and UT have about the same cases. MS is about the highest deaths. UT about the lowest.

CA has similar case loads to a variety of other states. Some have far higher deaths, some are about even, some are much lower.

Etc.

You just look at deaths and go...1+1=states should have locked down more. IE you can do math fine. You seem to not look at and try to analyze data as to why.

MS has the highest obesity in the nation and that generally is in a certain population that is already rather unhealthy. UT doesn't have that issue.

AZ has like CA cases similar to a variety of other states who all have very different deaths. AZ is a retirement state with a large Indian population.

NM a state who followed CA in many aspects and was even stricter in some has case rates similar to CA but far higher deaths. NM also has a large Indian population.

You just look at deaths and say yep it is gov intervention or lack of it that is why deaths are at a certain level. You go silent (as in never once have spoken) on the fact that many states have similar case loads but very different deaths. That should tell you that it is something else at play. Percentage of older people in a state, overall health in a state (or within certain groups), Indian populations, etc. The reason you go silent is because you CANNOT then rely on well they didn't mask, or they didn't social distance.

This is the same thing that has happened in other countries. Serbia has less than half the deaths of Belgium with around the same cases, etc. As you look around you see plenty of countries with similar cases but rather different deaths per million.

As a math guy you like 1+2 = gov solutions work!

You fail to look at the data and say well it appears something (many) seem to drive what is going on.

It is kind of like your mask thing. Despite countries with high compliance vs those with less, we see the waves all hit the countries at roughly the same time and act in similar manners. You cling to masks saying they work. Real world data shows the virus spreads in a similar manner around the world and the waves all happen at roughly the same time.

This also gets back to your fundamental problem in interpreting data. You constant solution(s) are blanket in nature. Long ago we learned who is actually at risk. Your preferred solutions target everyone. You yourself are a perfect example of knowing math and failing to look at data. You are healthy and young and vaxxed and yet you still walk around with a mask. It appears you also do this outside just walking around. You claim surgical masks do the trick. And yet wear n95s. In other words you have not looked at the data and realized you have little to no risk. Your actions show a person who believes you are at a lot higher level of risk.

In other words a lack of understanding the data available.

Which is the same you seem to do with state/country data.
 
Roh roh. This paper says the virus is mutating rapidly and will likely escape antibody responses. In other words it acts like flu, H3N2, not like chicken pox (as Biden/Fauci/Gottlieb had hoped). If correct, it means boosters aren't going to get us out of it: either you have to go to the English approach and have everyone get more broad and rounded natural immunity against all the various proteins, or you are going to have to mandate vaxx boosters in perpetuity (which doesn't seem to be as easy as initially promised since Pfizer some 5 months later still doesn't have a Delta booster let alone the other 3 and let alone the other vaccines which STILL don't have approval)

 
In other news, watch for the official audit report next 9/24 in AZ at 1pm. It's public hearing open to the public. I guess Maricopa made a deal and I hear the routers are being handed over? Also, the over 200,000 sealed indictments are now going to be unsealed, one at a time for the drip affect. DNC lead attorney for HRC was the first drip to drop. That Elias fella already confessed to doctoring a FISA app to a judge about spying on t back in the day. I hear only 199,999 more to go. That's why Camp Justice just built a new court house down at the Bay. Amazing how you can;t even find the news about this at big news corps. Get the popcorn out everyone. Always error on the side of truth and choose wisely. The ALL SEEING EYE is watching your every move and every thought is recorded. No escape, nowhere to run and for sure nowhere to hide. The scamdemic is a cover folks. I told you all many, many times. Everyday I wake up I hope some you will wake your asses up but no, we do this everyday and play round and a round we go with the jabber doo, mask and testing and boosters. FDA just hit Pfizer hard btw. It's happening everyone. Choose the truth and the truth will set you free :)
 
either you have to go to the English approach and have everyone get more broad and rounded natural immunity against all the various proteins,
Not just the English.

Sweden has followed the approach. Denmark just said no more restrictions (health minister said we just need to live with it), Singapore has given up.

You will see more and more countries give up to reality.

It is endemic, it mutates, and we cannot go around restricting daily lives, biz, school, when the reality is those measures will not stop the virus.

There is a new family on the block that moved in 2 yrs ago. We don't like the family, but they are here to stay.
 
Not just the English.

Sweden has followed the approach. Denmark just said no more restrictions (health minister said we just need to live with it), Singapore has given up.

You will see more and more countries give up to reality.

It is endemic, it mutates, and we cannot go around restricting daily lives, biz, school, when the reality is those measures will not stop the virus.

There is a new family on the block that moved in 2 yrs ago. We don't like the family, but they are here to stay.
Hound, excellent takes bro on the reality side of things. It's as plane as day to folks like me and you. I love you man and I appreciate all you do to shed truth on the darkness. Reality is hard to see for some when their brainwashed and live for a cult. My buddy Colin's mom is attorney and woke as anyone can be woke. He tries to wake her up with facts and truth and she still is sold on Joe and feels all this could be fixed if EVERYONE was compliant and obedient and just take the two jabs and any boosters that come with them and do whatever Dr. Fraud and Bill say. This lady has a law degree Hound and is very academic and a proud pandemic believer like Dad. Colin asked me to meet with his mom out of desperation. He's trying to arrange the intervention as i write so I can try and deprogram her and save her from the cult. All my expenses are covered. I just ask for a donation or whatever they feel is warranted after we get her help and out. It's starts with a surprise "attack talk" set up by her son. I have to verbally get her attention and get her to stay without her feeling forced to stay. Any good deprogrammer will tell you always tell the person their free to leave. If she feels the love by her kids and crush, we play all the videos and try to get her to the light. We have her suitcase all ready to go if she agrees to the 30 day impatient care, no tv or internet programing from that Mocking Bird. It's actually going to be outside at a camp site, TBA at a later date. We will work on the mind, body and the soul. Holistic Healing is at the core of the heart chakra and is key to a new life. Sacred Ceremonies will be the thing peole will look for in the future. Were entering the age of Aquarius Hound. Make love, not war bro :)

 
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You go silent (as in never once have spoken) on the fact that many states have similar case loads but very different deaths.
Actually I take that back. Early on when discussing UT and the low deaths despite being open you opined that they didn't drink that much up there. That was during your bars=bad days.

So my apologies.
 
Roh roh. This paper says the virus is mutating rapidly and will likely escape antibody responses. In other words it acts like flu, H3N2, not like chicken pox (as Biden/Fauci/Gottlieb had hoped). If correct, it means boosters aren't going to get us out of it: either you have to go to the English approach and have everyone get more broad and rounded natural immunity against all the various proteins, or you are going to have to mandate vaxx boosters in perpetuity (which doesn't seem to be as easy as initially promised since Pfizer some 5 months later still doesn't have a Delta booster let alone the other 3 and let alone the other vaccines which STILL don't have approval)

That is not what the paper says.

“The virus is mutating” is in the paper. The rest of the above post is nothing more than Grace speculation.
 
The part you miss and CONSTANTLY refuse to address is the following.

MS and UT have about the same cases. MS is about the highest deaths. UT about the lowest.

CA has similar case loads to a variety of other states. Some have far higher deaths, some are about even, some are much lower.

Etc.

You just look at deaths and go...1+1=states should have locked down more. IE you can do math fine. You seem to not look at and try to analyze data as to why.

MS has the highest obesity in the nation and that generally is in a certain population that is already rather unhealthy. UT doesn't have that issue.

AZ has like CA cases similar to a variety of other states who all have very different deaths. AZ is a retirement state with a large Indian population.

NM a state who followed CA in many aspects and was even stricter in some has case rates similar to CA but far higher deaths. NM also has a large Indian population.

You just look at deaths and say yep it is gov intervention or lack of it that is why deaths are at a certain level. You go silent (as in never once have spoken) on the fact that many states have similar case loads but very different deaths. That should tell you that it is something else at play. Percentage of older people in a state, overall health in a state (or within certain groups), Indian populations, etc. The reason you go silent is because you CANNOT then rely on well they didn't mask, or they didn't social distance.

This is the same thing that has happened in other countries. Serbia has less than half the deaths of Belgium with around the same cases, etc. As you look around you see plenty of countries with similar cases but rather different deaths per million.

As a math guy you like 1+2 = gov solutions work!

You fail to look at the data and say well it appears something (many) seem to drive what is going on.

It is kind of like your mask thing. Despite countries with high compliance vs those with less, we see the waves all hit the countries at roughly the same time and act in similar manners. You cling to masks saying they work. Real world data shows the virus spreads in a similar manner around the world and the waves all happen at roughly the same time.

This also gets back to your fundamental problem in interpreting data. You constant solution(s) are blanket in nature. Long ago we learned who is actually at risk. Your preferred solutions target everyone. You yourself are a perfect example of knowing math and failing to look at data. You are healthy and young and vaxxed and yet you still walk around with a mask. It appears you also do this outside just walking around. You claim surgical masks do the trick. And yet wear n95s. In other words you have not looked at the data and realized you have little to no risk. Your actions show a person who believes you are at a lot higher level of risk.

In other words a lack of understanding the data available.

Which is the same you seem to do with state/country data.
If we are discussing data, do we agree that the Bangladesh RCT demonstrated that surgical masks reduce covid transmission?

Or do you just want to look at mismatched pairs of states which you selected based on some right wing website?
 
That is not what the paper says.

“The virus is mutating” is in the paper. The rest of the above post is nothing more than Grace speculation.
Hey sleepy head. Only 4 hours of sleep? Drinking again? Dad, please get some help. Your 4 kids need you, not the forum.
 
That is not what the paper says.

“The virus is mutating” is in the paper. The rest of the above post is nothing more than Grace speculation.
The first sentence is the summary (again reading comprehension). The rest is critical thinking. If you look at the authors going on Twitter right now, they are going down a similar path and even call out h3n2 by name.
 
Not just the English.

Sweden has followed the approach. Denmark just said no more restrictions (health minister said we just need to live with it), Singapore has given up.

You will see more and more countries give up to reality.

It is endemic, it mutates, and we cannot go around restricting daily lives, biz, school, when the reality is those measures will not stop the virus.

There is a new family on the block that moved in 2 yrs ago. We don't like the family, but they are here to stay.
Pretty sure the English approach is predicated on vaccinations - it would be a good thing if the US followed suit

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Covid vaccine: How many people in the UK have been vaccinated so far? - BBC News
 
Not just the English.

Sweden has followed the approach. Denmark just said no more restrictions (health minister said we just need to live with it), Singapore has given up.

You will see more and more countries give up to reality.

It is endemic, it mutates, and we cannot go around restricting daily lives, biz, school, when the reality is those measures will not stop the virus.

There is a new family on the block that moved in 2 yrs ago. We don't like the family, but they are here to stay.
Here you go for Sweden, again with the vaccinations!

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Statistics for vaccination against COVID-19 — Public Health Agency of Sweden (folkhalsomyndigheten.se)
 
If we are discussing data, do we agree that the Bangladesh RCT demonstrated that surgical masks reduce covid transmission?
There seems to be quite a bit of back and forth on that article. It isn't cut and dry in the least since a lot of other factors were involved. It seems at best they found a slight benefit in certain age groups.

In other words it is nothing to rest your hat on.

Nor is the study to rest ones hat on if they think masks are useless.
 
Pretty sure the English approach is predicated on vaccinations
If you think I am arguing AGAINST vaccinations you are incorrect.

They (the countries) are however vaxxed and move on. They are NOT mandating vaccines which is something I am strongly against. The first main reason is we don't have any long term data on potential bad side affects. It is irresponsible to mandate vaxes to everyone when you don't know if there are at risk people who would be better off not taking the vax.

So I am not arguing against the vax.

I am pointing out however that countries are starting to move on. In the case of the US the at risk groups have been vaxxed at a very high rate.

They talk about 80-100 million people not being vaxxed in the US. I would lay money a rather large percentage of those already have antibodies against the virus. Another large percentage are the young who have no risk of covid.
 
I see everybody is up and at it bright and early. Discipline. My wife was telling me, "You can't wrap your head around the idea that some people just like to argue can you". I guess she's right.

Anyway, I'll link this study which is really well done and interesting. Has a bit of something for everybody on the infodemicized "infection better" vs "vaxx better" spectrum. Sorta misses the whole point of a vaccine but whatever. Gist of the study is looking at convalescing C19 patients, sample size ~60. Some get mRNA vaxxed after C19, some don't. The cohort uniformly has a robust acquired immune response as you'd expect. The thing need to know to understand the biology is that there are these structures that form inside the body after antigen stimulation that continue to fine tune the antibody response for at least several months, longer in many cases. Basically, within the structures the relevant antigens (S protein in this case being the main one) that stimulate antibody production are sequestered, and continue to be presented to the antibody producing cells. This causes the antibody producing cells to continue to divide and become hyper-mutable. In this way, cells that have already been selected to produce useful antibodies continue to undergo further selection for even better antibodies that have an improved ability to neutralize the antigen (so in this case, anti-S antibodies that are even more potent at blocking viral cell entry).

The main finding of the study is this unexpected synergism between infection and vaxx. C19 convalescents who get the vaxx show this apparent super stimulation of the antibody fine tuning process, leading to cranking out some really potent neutralizing antibodies that get locked down into B cell memory. The authors speculate, in essence, that vaxxination stimulates a natural evolutionary process within the immune system to an extent that it can now keep pace with the viral evolutionary process throwing out new variants. Perhaps even to the point where there may be immunity that covers even unborn C-viruses that have yet to recombine and emerge from zoonotic resevoirs (provided they still target Ace2 for cell entry; MERS doesn't target Ace2 for instance).

 
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