kickingandscreaming
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We were in the Dove Mountain area two weekends ago. It was beautiful - "only" mid 90's as a high - so not bad. About 10 degrees cooler (October?) would have been perfect.
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Bruddah IZ
DA
Way to avoid bringing lockdown centralCali, in 1st place for Cases and deaths. Gotta love those mask mandates.
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GOLD
Not a bad place to be.
First place?
Not even close. Every single central valley county has fewer deaths per capita than Arizona. They’re mostly under 200. AZ is up at 266.
Give credit where credit is due. Arizona has more covid deaths per capita than anywhere else west of the Mississippi. Their only real competition comes from the GOP states in the Southeast, like Louisiana and Mississippi.
I’d include NY and NJ, but they cheated by putting known covid patients directly into nursing homes. AZ earned their high death rate honestly, by pretending that nothing was wrong.
Kinda like that soccer parent that asks if their kid can still play if their Covid test is negative (having gotten tested the day before because the player has a fever?)
Sick is sick & Stupid is stupid.
Wonder how much more of an impact on R there would be if people just stayed home when ill… probably more than all the mask discussion (not “debate”) here.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Totals pal.
Bruddah IZ
DA
If you believe mask work. And they don’t. That’s why CA. Leads the nation in total deaths and total cases.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Martin Kulldorff on Twitter:
It is astonishing that universities deny natural immunity from COVID infection; with their #VaccineMandate‘s for the already immune. What’s next? Universities claiming the earth is flat?
It is astonishing that universities deny natural immunity from COVID infection; with their #VaccineMandate‘s for the already immune. What’s next? Universities claiming the earth is flat?
Bruddah IZ
DA
UCLA medical-school professor Joseph Ladapo writes wisely in the Wall Street Journal about the folly of vaccine mandates. Two slices:
The Covid-19 pandemic has spurred a remarkable stream of scientific investigation, but that knowledge isn’t translating into better public policy. One example is a zealous pursuit of public mask wearing, a measure that has had, at best, a modest effect on viral transmission. Or take lockdowns, shown by research to increase deaths overall but nonetheless still considered an acceptable solution. This intellectual disconnect now extends to Covid-19 vaccine mandates. The policy is promoted as essential for stopping the spread of Covid-19, though the evidence suggests it won’t.
Mandates infringe on personal autonomy, which can lead to political strife and unintended consequences, but they have value in some situations. In general, however, wise policy making respects the intrinsic value of personal autonomy and seeks the least burdensome path to achieve social gains.
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The sensible approach, based on the available data, is to promote vaccines for the purpose of preventing serious illness. You don’t need a mandate for this—adults can make their own decisions. But mandates will prolong political conflicts over Covid-19, and they are an increasingly unsustainable strategy designed to achieve an unattainable goal.
The Covid-19 pandemic has spurred a remarkable stream of scientific investigation, but that knowledge isn’t translating into better public policy. One example is a zealous pursuit of public mask wearing, a measure that has had, at best, a modest effect on viral transmission. Or take lockdowns, shown by research to increase deaths overall but nonetheless still considered an acceptable solution. This intellectual disconnect now extends to Covid-19 vaccine mandates. The policy is promoted as essential for stopping the spread of Covid-19, though the evidence suggests it won’t.
Mandates infringe on personal autonomy, which can lead to political strife and unintended consequences, but they have value in some situations. In general, however, wise policy making respects the intrinsic value of personal autonomy and seeks the least burdensome path to achieve social gains.
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The sensible approach, based on the available data, is to promote vaccines for the purpose of preventing serious illness. You don’t need a mandate for this—adults can make their own decisions. But mandates will prolong political conflicts over Covid-19, and they are an increasingly unsustainable strategy designed to achieve an unattainable goal.
It’s the same with fever…some common sense is required. If it’s a fever due to a uti or tooth infection you don’t need to quaratine. I remember someone jumped on me for taking the car to be serviced while I ran a uti fever.
Our district is going to do just that apparently. Or may even send rapid tests home for families to use. Not a bad idea -- now if only the antigen tests were more accurate with no symptoms.
I'm assuming those can be rapid tests and not PCR? If that's the case, it's not super bad as those suckers are easy to do. Problem will be who's going to pay for them.
What's also weird is the 10-14 day period. Delta is a much faster moving virus. In 3-5 days you should know if you have it. Our schools sit around 7 days with a negative (rapid) on the 5th day. I thought this was extreme, but now looking at your situation it's looking like a cake walk. Wonder if it's due to our high vax rates.
That's really bizarre. All of the college games I've seen up here are maskless.
Nope
Yup.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Funny how people make those decisions in the absence of an all knowing government.