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You forgot body shaming young women.
Trans eligibility rules for girls sports.
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Again, the laws of the game are not contained in a biology or science textbook. That said, I also understand science and biology perfectly well. I understand, for example, that your genes are likely to be directly responsible for any athletic limitations that prevent your daughter from being able to effectively compete in ECNL against a team with a trans girl. I also understand that the bible is about as anti-science as it gets.
Interesting Read has some interesting solutions regarding competition and the concerns people have.
A Fair And Inclusive Solution For Transgender Women In Sports
The fact that trans girls and women were born with biologically male bodies means that even after taking hormones or undergoing surgery or both, they don’t fit neatly into female or male categories, biologically speaking.
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I’m not afraid of Trans Kids or Trans Adults…what is there to be afraid of? It not about trans kids knowing their place, that is just stupid.
Let’s follow along…Trans Girls are not Biological Girls, and Trans Boys are not Biological Boys. Biological Boys are not Biological Girls. There are differences…and if men/women and boys/girls were equal physiologically and athletically, why do we even have men’s and women’s sports and not just sports? Why are we even having the Women’s World Cup this year…
Serious Question…are there Trans Animals? Does any other species present Trans other than Human Beings? Are there trans dogs, cats? I don’t know, never heard of it, is it because it is not naturally occurring, and is here because we made it/created it? Is it because there may be psychological, mental situations, Dysphoria, etc. that are the underlying cause? Did we create Trans to be the Diagnosis for these psychological challenges people are facing with their identities? Is it nature or nurture? Is it that the Biology is not wrong, nature did it’s thing and a XX or XY was born. And if that was the diagnosis, did we create Hormone Therapy Protocols and Cosmetic Surgeries to support the Diagnosis…and in turn that is the “trying” to turn yourself into something you are not through Chemicals and Surgeries. These changes are not natural occurring, we are creating this.
Yes, people did lose their minds on the NCAA Swimming Controversy because it was absolutely ludicrous how it played out and what the “Adults” let transpire. How the NCAA, Penn, and the Media pushed a narrative. You talk about the emotions of Trans Girls, what about those of Biological Girls? Again, these Young Biological Women are forced to just take and accept it. What Penn did to threaten team members (threaten graduation, continuation at school, etc.), was horrible, forcing girls to share locker rooms they were uncomfortable with, only so these organizations could Virtue Signal for Trans Rights. That is not ok. YOU may not think it is a big deal. Many others do, and the pushback to all of this is why many people don’t want to see it happen again or to younger girls. There is not a good model for Trans Women in Biological Women’s Team Sports at this time. Saying just play, is not the answer. Allowing Trans Girls/Women to participate in Biological Women’s sports is done at the expense of Biological Women/Girls. Saying young biological women don’t care, based on what data?
As far as my faux concern or care for kids…believe what you want it does not matter to me.
Trans Women are not Biological Women. Trans Women can’t have babies. Trans Women are Physiologically different. These are undeniable facts. Can Trans Woman give birth, do they have milk ducts to nurse? Because you want something to be the same, create emoji’s, believe it to be the same, act like it is the same, have surgeries to make it look the same, does not make it the same. You can’t wish something into being.
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Really, not even a teeny, tiny, wittle but of science and biology???Again, the laws of the game are not contained in a biology or science textbook.
As for the rest of your silliness...oooooo, what a burn. I do love how you get your rocks off by shaming XX humans. But continue to do your dance sweet little barrister. Your zigs and zags are quite cute and your heroism is charming.
I keep wanting out but they keep pulling me back in:Interesting Read has some interesting solutions regarding competition and the concerns people have.
A Fair And Inclusive Solution For Transgender Women In Sports
The fact that trans girls and women were born with biologically male bodies means that even after taking hormones or undergoing surgery or both, they don’t fit neatly into female or male categories, biologically speaking.
I’m not afraid of Trans Kids or Trans Adults…what is there to be afraid of? It not about trans kids knowing their place, that is just stupid.
Let’s follow along…Trans Girls are not Biological Girls, and Trans Boys are not Biological Boys. Biological Boys are not Biological Girls. There are differences…and if men/women and boys/girls were equal physiologically and athletically, why do we even have men’s and women’s sports and not just sports? Why are we even having the Women’s World Cup this year…
Serious Question…are there Trans Animals? Does any other species present Trans other than Human Beings? Are there trans dogs, cats? I don’t know, never heard of it, is it because it is not naturally occurring, and is here because we made it/created it? Is it because there may be psychological, mental situations, Dysphoria, etc. that are the underlying cause? Did we create Trans to be the Diagnosis for these psychological challenges people are facing with their identities? Is it nature or nurture? Is it that the Biology is not wrong, nature did it’s thing and a XX or XY was born. And if that was the diagnosis, did we create Hormone Therapy Protocols and Cosmetic Surgeries to support the Diagnosis…and in turn that is the “trying” to turn yourself into something you are not through Chemicals and Surgeries. These changes are not natural occurring, we are creating this.
Yes, people did lose their minds on the NCAA Swimming Controversy because it was absolutely ludicrous how it played out and what the “Adults” let transpire. How the NCAA, Penn, and the Media pushed a narrative. You talk about the emotions of Trans Girls, what about those of Biological Girls? Again, these Young Biological Women are forced to just take and accept it. What Penn did to threaten team members (threaten graduation, continuation at school, etc.), was horrible, forcing girls to share locker rooms they were uncomfortable with, only so these organizations could Virtue Signal for Trans Rights. That is not ok. YOU may not think it is a big deal. Many others do, and the pushback to all of this is why many people don’t want to see it happen again or to younger girls. There is not a good model for Trans Women in Biological Women’s Team Sports at this time. Saying just play, is not the answer. Allowing Trans Girls/Women to participate in Biological Women’s sports is done at the expense of Biological Women/Girls. Saying young biological women don’t care, based on what data?
As far as my faux concern or care for kids…believe what you want it does not matter to me.
Trans Women are not Biological Women. Trans Women can’t have babies. Trans Women are Physiologically different. These are undeniable facts. Can Trans Woman give birth, do they have milk ducts to nurse? Because you want something to be the same, create emoji’s, believe it to be the same, act like it is the same, have surgeries to make it look the same, does not make it the same. You can’t wish something into being.
-Yes there are "trans" animals (there are also gay animals). The most common example is in bird species...the most typical example of those are beta male who keep the plumage and appearance and behavior of a female in order to avoid being attacked by males. You see it in some antlered mammals too such as moose and deer. You even do see it in dogs and horses (particularly if they have been neutered). In nature, MTF is overwhelmingly more common than FTM but both are nevertheless rare, appearing most often in birds, and interestingly enough, the great apes.
-Why is it more common in some species than others? It's very simple: there's a greater tendency to appear when there is a species divides itself into masculine and feminine characteristics. The greater the differentiation, the more likely it is to appear, hence humans. Humans have built whole jobs, familial roles, religion, and hierarchies based on gender.
-yes, a biological man can nurse. That's a silly point. Lactation is triggered by a the lactation hormone. You can artificially produce the result by injecting a man with the lactation hormone.
-we are getting pretty close to the ability of a biological man being able to carry a child. I was reading something in some science journo about they were attempting a uterus implant. Why you would do this I have no idea. The man would have to be an organ rejection medication, we don't know what that organ rejection medication would do to the fetus, and the fetus would be in high danger in the event of organ rejection. Why, when surrogacy is available, someone would insist on having to carry their child, is absolutely beyond me. But scientists be crazy and they unleashed COVID and nuclear bombs on us so there's that.
-Trans individuals have been documented in history back to ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome. It's not a recent phenom. They seem to have developed independently of each other as well, regardless of influences from other cultures (e.g. it's not just a western thing). Further to my conversation with sockma, the Polynesians are interesting in that they developed a third gender of biological males expressing as females (the "sexy boys" we were talking about). That doesn't appear in other cultures as far as I know.
-What's different in the last 50 years or so is the arrogance of our scientists, who think that they can play god. They convinced themselves they could in fact change a man into a woman, however imperfectly. That's not surprising considering they thought they could control COVID and face planted on that one. The moon landings really did a number on science. The entire "we choose to go to the moon and do these things". It gave them all a god complex. BUT, the technology is getting better and what they know (through trial and error) is getting better and eventually.....
-It's pretty clear that trans, like being gay, is a biological condition. As I posted previously, it's already settled science that the brains of most transgendered individuals appear to have many characteristics of the desired expressed gender. It is literally like having the brain of a woman trapped in a man's body (or vice versa). Can you imagine how nutso that would make you? So you have two choices: treat the brain or treat the body. Given our treatment of the brain is still the stone age (again, see prior discussion regarding ADHD), that doesn't give you very many good options.
-The prevailing theory, based on the 2020 study I posted, is that shortly before birth women have a burst of estrogen, the female sex hormone. There's something wrong in the MTF female hormone receptors that they imperfectly block this. As a result, the genetic flaw blocks the male brain from undergoing the masculinization process. They aren't sure about FTM but they suggest it may be an issue with the mother having an imperfect burst of the estrogen needed to feminize the brain.
p.s. I just thought about it (a little "eureka" moment) but that would also explain a lot why there are girls that try and express as "nonbinary" (there are far more girls expressing "nonbinary" if the UC school survey is to be believed than there are men expressing MTF). Part of it may be social acculturation and the fact it's the in thing for progressives to do, and other conditions such as depression or eating disorders. BUT, if it is the result of the mother having an imperfect estrogen burst, it would seem to be that the degree of femininity might be correlated to the robustness of the mother's burst, whereas in the case of a MTF it's that the brain can't adequately protect itself from the onslaught of the mother's hormones. Fascinating....
Thanks for the reply. It is fascinating, It’s a lot of info, my point is we are engineering these changes, implanting uterus’, surgeries for nursing, my point is all of this is not naturally occurring. It is being created. “Getting close for a Male to have a baby”…we are experimenting on people. I agree about the god complex of Dr.’s, the Surgeries, the subscriptions or prescriptions depending on what you think.
If people want/need to change their bodies, surgeries, hormone therapy’s, implanted organs, etc.,.more power to them. Please pursue any means you need to feel happy, whole, and at peace with yourself. People need to find their happy. More power to them. I have no horse in the here are also a lot of people who have regret after all these changes to their bodies that can’t be undone.
In Ancient Rome, Egypt, Greece, were they Trans or were they Gay? I agree 100% with you that you don’t choose being Gay. I also agree it would be horrible to feel trapped in another’s body.
It’s a very tricky prospect when we start trying to manage, control, out-think or out-maneuver nature; genetically engineer plants, crops, animals, meat, people…
A lot of the hierarchy’s you mentioned have a lot to do with Biology, evolution, sex, hunter/gatherers, when your physiology, ability to child beat, and strength dictated your role.
There is a lot to it…and we are no closer to having a level playing field in sports when trying to mix Biological Women/Girls Sports with Trans Women/Girl Athletes.
There was actually a GK at UC-Santa Cruz a few years ago who is Transgender. She played JUCO for two years and the played and started quite a bit at UC-Santa Cruz. Coach, AD, and I think a Compliance Officer were the only ones aware and worked with the NCAA on it. She did not disclose to her teammates until after she was done playing her Senior year. It’s all a very interesting story.
It's a good article, and a reasonable suggestion.Interesting Read has some interesting solutions regarding competition and the concerns people have.
A Fair And Inclusive Solution For Transgender Women In Sports
The fact that trans girls and women were born with biologically male bodies means that even after taking hormones or undergoing surgery or both, they don’t fit neatly into female or male categories, biologically speaking.
I’m not afraid of Trans Kids or Trans Adults…what is there to be afraid of? It not about trans kids knowing their place, that is just stupid.
Let’s follow along…Trans Girls are not Biological Girls, and Trans Boys are not Biological Boys. Biological Boys are not Biological Girls. There are differences…and if men/women and boys/girls were equal physiologically and athletically, why do we even have men’s and women’s sports and not just sports? Why are we even having the Women’s World Cup this year…
Serious Question…are there Trans Animals? Does any other species present Trans other than Human Beings? Are there trans dogs, cats? I don’t know, never heard of it, is it because it is not naturally occurring, and is here because we made it/created it? Is it because there may be psychological, mental situations, Dysphoria, etc. that are the underlying cause? Did we create Trans to be the Diagnosis for these psychological challenges people are facing with their identities? Is it nature or nurture? Is it that the Biology is not wrong, nature did it’s thing and a XX or XY was born. And if that was the diagnosis, did we create Hormone Therapy Protocols and Cosmetic Surgeries to support the Diagnosis…and in turn that is the “trying” to turn yourself into something you are not through Chemicals and Surgeries. These changes are not natural occurring, we are creating this.
Yes, people did lose their minds on the NCAA Swimming Controversy because it was absolutely ludicrous how it played out and what the “Adults” let transpire. How the NCAA, Penn, and the Media pushed a narrative. You talk about the emotions of Trans Girls, what about those of Biological Girls? Again, these Young Biological Women are forced to just take and accept it. What Penn did to threaten team members (threaten graduation, continuation at school, etc.), was horrible, forcing girls to share locker rooms they were uncomfortable with, only so these organizations could Virtue Signal for Trans Rights. That is not ok. YOU may not think it is a big deal. Many others do, and the pushback to all of this is why many people don’t want to see it happen again or to younger girls. There is not a good model for Trans Women in Biological Women’s Team Sports at this time. Saying just play, is not the answer. Allowing Trans Girls/Women to participate in Biological Women’s sports is done at the expense of Biological Women/Girls. Saying young biological women don’t care, based on what data?
As far as my faux concern or care for kids…believe what you want it does not matter to me.
Trans Women are not Biological Women. Trans Women can’t have babies. Trans Women are Physiologically different. These are undeniable facts. Can Trans Woman give birth, do they have milk ducts to nurse? Because you want something to be the same, create emoji’s, believe it to be the same, act like it is the same, have surgeries to make it look the same, does not make it the same. You can’t wish something into being.
Regional teams for trans athletes in team sports makes sense.
p.p.s. the entire "ask a biologist" thing is the most stupid thing ever. The reason why is because there's a fierce division among biologists now over how to classify things. The primatologist Phil Kloer for example has pointed out it's impossible for biologists to ever firmly determine if an animal is trans because other than some of cetaceans, they are incapable of complex speech (dogs being limited to maybe a hundred words, apes to several hundred). Kloer points out a lot of the hysteria is that because in many human languages we use the word "sex" to mean a variety of things including the act, the biological gender, the genetic composition and the gender expression. BUT, it is clear that there are apes going around assuming gender roles that are different than which they were born, and in both directions. For example, he writes about one ape that insisted on using the female bathroom, hung out with the female nursery, failed to associate with the other boys or engage in typical chimp challenge behavior. Does it consider itself female? We don't know, but it certainly acts like one. The answer to the question therefore turns on whether you believe masculinity and femininity is a social construct or something innate to biology.
cool story. Belies the “they are all obvious” remark dad 4
as for the we’re they gay or were they trans issue Roman culture is illustrative. It was perfectly respectable for a boy to have a sexual encounter with more powerful alpha men for position and advancement. Indeed Augustus was rumored to have had such a relationship with Caesar which is why it was rumored Caesar left him as his heir. But it was not respectable for a man or boy to don a woman’s garment in such an affair and someone doing that would find themselves ejected from polite equestrian society. The ancients overall were generally more tolerant of both and western culture doesn’t begin to shun either until: a) the judeo influences since the ancient Israelites were generally odd ducks out in ancient society both with monotheism and their sexual mores, and b) the empire and the morality laws of emperors like Augustus and Claudius (Caligula being both famously a male and female god, and both bi and a trans flirt)
the division is harder to measure in the great apes where among chimps it appears with up to 9% of them. I read de waals “differences” over the pandemic and it is hard to draw the line since they can’t express what they identify as verbally. But the measure they generally use is do they adopt masculine or feminine roles or are they just males interested in other males. Even under the more conservative estimates trans mtf run higher in the great apes and monkeys than humans
Ps the article in interesting. I don’t think regional teams works though. Too much insistence of playing for your school. Other than basketball though team sports shouldn’t make a difference.
March is the month we celebrate women from all over the world and all the great accomplishments they have done over the centuries. It wasn't too long that women were not allowed to be actress's in plays. The men dressed up and played the role of the women because it was illegal for any woman to be in the plays. Now their back at it. The men are stealing and cheating biological women opportunities to work, play sports and just be a female because they hate the female and want them out of the game of life. Hershey kisses the female goodbye (Her She Y) is all in for the man. So sad. They should just change the name to, Himhey (Him He Y) Crazy times were all living in. BTW, my profile buddy (Ph.D. Phycological Profiler) is doing a human experience on this thread. Espola and Surf Futbol are coming to light with my Dr friend and oh boy, his findings on both of these avatars are very interesting. I will report back his final findings. It's a trip and Doc is so smart and can read folks real well. TGIFF and always remember God loves you all.
It's never too late to become a woman. Tiffany is the new winner of all the records.
Transgender Athlete Wins (too bad for the slow women) Four Consecutive Races, Smashes Records
A 50 year-old Canadian transgender woman is racking up racing victories like nobody’s business, according to reports.
Tiffany Newell, a 50 year-old transgender woman, first started their transition in 2017. In 2020, Newell claimed to meet the requirements set by the World Athletics guidelines to allow transgender competitors.
On Jan. 8, 2023, Newell won the women’s 3000 meter event at the Winter Mini Meet for the 45-49 year-old cohort. In the days following, Newell would then go onto win the women’s 5000 meter event for the same age cohort.
Newell followed up these achievements Feb. 5 by winning first place in the 1500 meter event for women aged 45-49.
Following a birthday, Newell competed in a competition that ran from Feb. 23 through 26. and repeated the accomplishment, winning the 1,500 meter race for the 50-54 women age group.
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While I realize this thread goes off on weird tangents, it's a bit random to suddenly ask how people were labelled 2,000, 3000 or 4,000 years ago as if that were somehow relevant!
You can say that again. Welcome back by the way. I'm still waiting for tenacious and husker to come and chat it up. Sodom and Gomora is very interesting story from thousands of years ago. Not sure if it's a true story or just more lies about history. According to legend, the men back then were horny for the other men and did whatever they wanted to the men of that town. Forget rape, you were subjects and did whatever the men in power wanted. Then Paul wrote some stuff to the church in Rome 2000 years ago. I am for freedom of choice but this is not freedom anymore today. The men are stealing and cheating women out of life's opportunities. That's what i think and let's all be happy that today is THGIFF!
The issue implied was that this is somehow new and doesn’t even appear in nature. That’s incorrect. It isn’t new and does appear in nature. The only thing that is really new is our ability to do anything about it. It’s the same with adhd. Has always existed. The only thing that’s new id the ability to do anything about it (and demands of modern society). Treatments for both are still not quite Stone Age but definitely Bronze Age.
the other thing that is fairly new is the labeling, at least in the west. There wasn’t so much a bi gay trans distinction. Yes there were people that fit into each description, and yes Roman society for example was much more forgiving of bi than trans and even expected men to engage in experimentation. You see the labeling come in with the Judaic influences in the west. They were the odd ducks of the ancient world with their one god and their various social rules. The early Christiana took on many of those rules, pushed along by the second factor which was the sense of some patricians that the empire was in moral decline and that sought to distinguish themselves from the excesses of a Caligula or Nero. Christianity and Roman Puritanism hit at the same time in imperial Rome to create the moral standards that lived on until the 20th century and its high point of progressivism and prohibition.
Nero and his pals
Yes, Nero the psychopath got whatever "IT" wanted and IT wanted both men and women anytime IT wanted. IT was non-gender because of IT's bloodline being traced back to Cain. IT feed all the Followers of Yeshua to wild animals to be chewed and eaten for breakfast, lunch and dinner for entertainment for the masses who would come and watch at the Coliseum. Lucifer beguiled Eve after Eve was tricked by the walking snake who could change on the dime into the most handsome snake on earth. Total trickster. After Eve had sex with the devil, she had sex with her hubby and Eve had twins. We see in the story of the Garden that was in Eden, that after her twins were born, Cain killed his half brother because of jealousy. Cain was a wolf and half human. Abel was 100% Human DNA and had a good heart and was a good man. Cain was a wild animal with no regard to others and zero empathy or remorse. I feel bad for Cain. Anyway, these are stories written thousands of years ago. Please don't don't get mad at me, I did not write these stories. The ghost of Cain is here at the forum btw and IT always get's angry. Bloodlines are very important and we shall all learn soon about how these bloodlines operate on the planet earth. TGIFF!
Nero!
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"Transginger" - Gotta love South Park.
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It's not about access. Every child has a place to play if they want to play. It's about the power to define their gender by proclamation. Period.
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As long as we are drawing parallels - Is there an increased risk of suicide in trans animals? If not, it begs the question of how much sex change operations are responsible for any "recovery" from suicidal thoughts.
Beyond my bailiwick as to why they would prescribe gender transition to cure gender dysphoria. I'm not into that portion of the literature. However, it is clear there are people who benefit from the procedure, and it is clear that there are people who don't and are noticeably worse off.
The relevant question is how many people are benefited by treatment, how many people see no improvement and remain unchanged, and how many people see worse outcomes. There are bunch of side questions including length of time and degrees and by the procedures themselves (on which tech is advancing). Then there's also the balance that as of now there are no good mental treatments as well.
As for suicide in trans animals, animals generally do not have a suicide issue. The reason why is because to comprehend death you need to make a few leaps of understanding: 1) you have to understand there is such a thing and what it entails, 2) you have to understand it is a permanent condition, 3) you have to understand its inevitability, 4) you have to understand it applies to you and 5) you have to draw a logical conclusion that it might end whatever suffering you have. There are only a handful of animals that are capable of that (e.g., not dogs). The great apes, the cetaceans, and it looks like maybe a few others like the elephantidae. All of them extremely big brained. The are recorded instances of suicides among the great apes including "death by cop" such as a beta male throwing themselves at the alpha, knowing they have no chance, and the alpha tearing them apart. Mentioned in the De Waal book.
