Trans eligibility rules for girls sports.
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Chelsea dad g09
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Keep reaching bro, you might make sense with your fake outrage one day.
The solution I suggested is not to change who trans kids are, but to change the way teams or boys treat them, as in "brown v board of education" we forced everyone to learn to treat all students equally, regardless of their skin color. We didn't tell the kids with darker skins to change their skin colors and try to be white kids. We didn't tell non caucasion kids, "take pills and have surgery to try to fit in with this new group and make yourself look exactly like that new group"
What I'm saying is equivalent to what the league did, which is - "hey, we don't care what your fears or prejudices are, you need to get over them and treat the trans boy (Black man) equally to any boy". They're here to stay regardless of how different they look than you, because they're boys too.
What you are asking to do is put them in a different league completely, because you don't think boys with makeup and bows can compete with boys who wear baseball caps and basketball shorts.
Like I said earlier, you really have a hard time coordinating idea and thoughts in your head.
So how many pairs of Nike's have you bought in your life without caring one bit where they came from up - until you started using it as an irrational excuse why trans children should not be allowed to play with other girls? And what efforts have you taken to date to determine whether any manufacturer of shoes that you have ever bought uses child labor?
I'm not making up arguments for other people. I'm pointing out the flaws in your argument, the chief three being: 1) it naively searches for simplicity in a complex world and for simple solutions where there is only complexity, 2) it is based on utopianism, that, as you say, you "want this problem solved"....sometimes there are no good solutions and that's just a sad reality of life, and 3) it's based on a bit of hypocrisy....you are asking trans (and adhd kids) to be vanguard and fight to change the world themselves, when you yourself have drawn lines over what it is you are willing to have your kids stand up and do (such as standing up to prevent such an lgbtq kid from getting a beat down).
As for women being asked to historically take it, that's why I think we have to draw lines for where it matters. It matters if we are testing for cheats and trying to establish a level playing field. If it doesn't matter, then you've articulated no rationale for why trans people should be excluded (take also the case in reverse, the FTM like the kid on my son's middle school team, that wants to play with the boys...you going to force him to play with the girls too...in that case it's the boys who are "taking it"). Again, it's hard to see any rationale for your line of thinking other than you want they to lay down to change the world in accordance to your vision. If you have a rationale, you have yet to articulate it.
Where it matters, steps have to be taken to balance, and if they cannot be balanced other accommodations need to be arrived at. It's hard to see on this level whether you would go so far as banning gender treatments....because the problem is if you don't, you'll still have people unable to compete with the cis men, so what do you do with them now????? We aren't talking now youths who are not under treatment. We are talking to people who have, despite your wanting them not to. What do you do with them and why????
Like I said, we need the dreamers. They keep us honest. Y'all have a tendency though to not think through all the various permutations and unintended consequences.
Yes, Brown v. Board of Education was just so great. The day it came out, everyone just decided to stop being racist and everything was just perfect in America - or so the new FL public school history fantasy textbooks would have you believe. It wasn't like it took 30 years' worth of injunctions to effectuate it in many areas, with the end result often being for white folks to gut entire public school systems by fleeing to where white people in private schools could "limit the damage" by only having to be around those very few black students with rich parents.
The fact that you refer to a trans girl as "boys with makeup and bows" is pretty definitive proof that you should STFU about what is best for them. So too is your irrational fear that people who support trans children are pushing them to take pills and have surgery.
USWNT?
If you think the USSF is going to risk their WNT cash cow by adding some Lia Thomas to the roster, you’re on crack. USWNT is perfectly happy to wear some armbands and offer up the youth leagues to the activists. But there is no way in hell they’d allow the coach to drop an aging veteran like Morgan or Sauerbrunn to add some 19 year old XY athlete.
My generalization was only to make a point, as I also used caps and basketball shorts for non trans kids. If my generalization was offensive to you, I'll definitely stop using it. The improper generalization doesn't take away from it's purpose, which is: "Boys are boys, regardless of how they dress or behave and we need to accept and treat all of them with respect and kindness. "
Actually, I don't think that all people who support trans children are pushing for pills and surgery, just Grace because that's what she said and I was having my discussion with her.
I support trans kids and I don't think they need to change a DAMN thing. You seem to enjoy capitalizing four letter words so I thought you'd appreciate it.
You're right, brown v board of education didn't change anything over night. Nothing changes overnight unless you're watching tik tok. Not perfect but still improving.
If you're hoping that things change overnight for trans kids by forcing the boys into a girls athletic league, you're greatly mistaken as you've noticed how much push back is happening.
I see a different solution in which long term affects are better for trans kids.
1. You've neglected the fact there are people moving the other way. There are FTM like the boy on my son's middle school team. You force them to continue to play with the girls?
2. If you are going to draw equivalences with the civil rights movement (a fight which is still ongoing), I point out we did not force kids to volunteer to take the long walk to integrate schools. Some volunteered, some did not. I further point out that what you've basically said is they should all be forced to sit at the lunch counter to break down the segregation, but when it comes to them being physically ejected, you are going to tell your kids they should live another day and discretion is the better part of valor.
3. Are you proposing to ban anyone (even over 18) from getting gender treatment? Because if not, you are still running into the issue that once on treatment, those ftms cannot compete with a cis male fully on testosterone, which is a performance enhancing drug. What do you do with them then?
Another flaw in your logic relating to Brown v. Board of Education is that it took a US Supreme Court decision - often followed by the freakin' National Guard - to move the ball forward on equality through affirmative action because asking people politely was not working. Yet here you are saying we should just ask oppressors to be nicer and, presto, the problem will go away. The reality, however, is that Brown v. Board of Education was the direct result of the fact that trying to do things your way doesn't work. And even when people are forced to stop being horribly phobic, it takes decades to meaningfully effectuate it.
Chelsea dad g09
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And like I said, you have zero idea other than your assumptions where I stand on this issue. I'm not the hypocritical one throwing a tantrum about trans kids feelings while ignoring everything else because it doesn't fit your narrative. You want to use those groups to justify your stance but got caught with a mouthful of nuts again.
You’re conflating the plight of people of color in this country to the plight of those with gender dysmorphia?
you really will shit on anyone and anything won’t you?
thanks for continuing to prove me right.
In fairness, EOTL raised the analogy about African Americans not being accepted by football teams until acceptance elsewhere.
it was Sockma that chose to bring in Brown v. Board of Education (which incidentally had nothing to do with integrated football teams including those that played in the North, but schools in the segregated sought).
While EOTL may have brought discrimination of one group as an analogy for discrimination against another group, it was sockma that brought segregation into it. If we can't be honest about what our respective "teams" are doing, then all we are left with is partisanship.
All due respect…let the Troll defend itself.
Let me educate you Grace. The people above us all, like way above us who have no real nation just a bloodline, making all the $$$ and the decisions for us in the Game of life have tricked us all. You see, when I was born, the Tel A Vison & MSM taught us that blacks and Hispanics were the problem. It was horrible how people of color were treated by those in power. Fast forward to today, now the assholes at the top what us to be racists toward Whites, Asians and females. This is easy to see if one steps back. Were not racists. Watch kids play, they love everyone. Were taught to discriminate and hate others and even hate who you are and how you're born. They want us divided. Did you get a copy of this Childs book on love?
Children's book series about 'inspiring women' to publish biography on transgender Rachel Levine
A children's book about Rachel Levine is described as the 'perfect choice for kids who love learning'
I'm not the one throwing tantrums here. Again, I fully agree with CIF, ECNL, the NCAA, the USWNT, the bronze medalist (at least) in the infamous Lia Thomas race, and SCOTUS. I also support ECNL's free market economics right to support trans participation.
You're the one throwing a tantrum so severe that you're accusing me of having a dick in my mouth as if that's an insult, and then immediately backpedaling about how you don't mean to be homophobic about it. All I'm doing is having a ton of fun mocking the whiny Karens here who are terrified of trans children. So scared. Might want to keep your daughter out of the school restroom.
Hey whiny Karen! No matter how much your self-esteem depends on your daughter winning kiddie soccer trophies, it's actually ok that she is terrible at soccer. It's just a game played by children.
Don't pretend that we all don't know exactly where you stand on the issue of trans participation in children's sports. We all know you are a homophobic, transphobic whiny Karen. In fact, this is your second homophobic post of the day.
Don't worry, soon your daughter won't make the cut in elite soccer and you can move on to hating trans children in other ways.
This tangent also makes one wonder why @sockma is bothering me if he really thinks the solution is to make transphobes stop being transphobic. If he were actually sincere, he'd would be telling dad4, chelsea (who is apparently highly repressed and fixated on fellatio), and crush to STFU. Instead, he's just trying to rationalize why an 11 year old trans girl should be treated like shit and excluded from kiddie sports because winning trophies is just too important at that age.
Chelsea dad g09
SILVER
"ThE MEaN Man CaLlEd mE KaREn." Idiot. Maybe if you typed phobic in all caps we'd know you're serious and its true just because you said it. You dont want to debate you just want everyone to have the same opinion as yourself and when they dont you go all joy behar on them. Sorry man, you can kiss my ass with that nonsense. Oh wait did I assume your gender?
So if I told you, suck my dick bitch, would that make me homophobic or just gay for saying that to another man, I'll let you decide.
Or what if I followed your logic from before about kids with another form of mental illness during covid lockdown and told you, trans kids are weak and have shitty parents. Would that make me transphobic or just a piece of shit like you for following your logic and repeating what you said? Why dont you pull that wool pussyhat over your eyes and play on the freeway.