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Grace T. said:
The impetus to "do something" is very high in humans. Yet most of the strategies around the world (whether lockdowns, Swedish style, hard test and trace, soft test and trace) have been a failure. The only ones who've had real success are a handful of islands (including our own Hawaii) that were able to smother it before it got going (Hawaii's economy, though, is in tatters and for a tourist state it's not sustainable for a year or more), Oz (with interprovince lockdowns though that's in doubt in Victoria now) or China (if you believe them, and draconian measures such as welding people into apartments, detension camps, and forced testing). That doesn't mean we can't take reasonable precautions, but our ability to take these precautions have been partially shattered by the stupid nation wide lockdown we initially put in place (spending our bullet) and then the protests (which eliminated any possibility of more bullets). The "do something" impetus gets higher too if you think we are in this only for a few more months (since Fauci said we're getting a vaccine by year end), but at this point I've begun to suspect that (as with the masks) they are lying about their ability to deploy just to control the population-- though I really really hope I'm wrong about that.



-Closing the bars is probably the right thing to do. They've been shown to be vectors (more so than schools)
-there was clear national guidance issued by the CDC. Some states like Georgia said nah and decided to go early. Some states like California said nah and decided to go late. Given who is at the top, you probably wouldn't have liked the national guidelines, and which wouldn't have said go ahead and protest
-Australia did better because it shut down its provinces and borders. No one from NY bringing it into Florida, for example. And part of our increase in the southern areas is from people fleeing Mexico looking for better care (though the news has been reluctant to look at the exact figures). The US would have a very hard time shutting down state to state travel because the US Constitution was (because of history) expressly designed to try and stop that. It would likely require martial law and shutting down the courts.
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Yeah understand what saying but the CDC stuff has been all over the place and the pres, vice and others have contradicted them several times and now this::
www.yahoo.com

Actual Coronavirus Infections Vastly Undercounted, CDC Data Shows

The number of coronavirus infections in many parts of the United States is more than 10 times higher than the reported rate, according to data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.The analysis is part of a wide-ranging set of surveys started by the CDC to estimate...
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Hawaii is nice
 
Out of curiosity, I Googled to find child care outbreaks. Child care has remained open in some cases the entire time for essential workers and in most cases have been open for a couple months. Basically, all I could find (you might find more results) was some workers and a kid infected in Colorado. Although I found a twelve kid and four employee breakout and another smaller breakout in Canada. In all of these cases no one was hospitalized and no evidence that it resulted in any serious issues with anyone they contacted. No evidence that kids indoors in close contact are a significant issue with the spread of the virus. As long as we keep kids out of bars and protests they should be in pretty good shape.
 
Ellejustus said:
Hiking? Read some books? Draw closer to one another? I thought you said, "what's the point of having kids if you can't do soccer.........lol"
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LOL. We did so much hiking over the past 4 months that none of my kids get excited about hiking anymore. Biking is the new thing in our house but let's see how long that last. Learning how to surf is definitely in our to do list this summer. Personally, if we go back to quarantine, I think that will be the end for soccer for my little one. We will just wait until everything gets back to normal to see if she wants to play again in 2022?!?
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
LOL. We did so much hiking over the past 4 months that none of my kids get excited about hiking anymore. Biking is the new thing in our house but let's see how long that last. Learning how to surf is definitely in our to do list this summer. Personally, if we go back to quarantine, I think that will be the end for soccer for my little one. We will just wait until everything gets back to normal to see if she wants to play again in 2022?!?
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Surfing is free except the board and wet suit. Hiking is boring and my kids are not interested. Ocean is free and it's peaceful. My dd came home yesterday and said it was 2-3 and she was in the water for 6 hours. My son is renting a beach house somewhere I wont say with his buddies from HS and their having a blast. LA Mayor just told everyone in LA to stay home again. Are we back to everyone from LA coming to OC beaches again and bringing the virus with them? OC is next, I can feel it. How old is your little one?
 
Grace T. said:
Pediatrician's weighing in on schools. My friend helped write these. Basically they advocate re open the schools FT, kids should wear masks (with certain exceptions), move a lot of stuff outdoors where feasible, contact sports & bussing limited, but schools need to be prepared if outbreak for virtual learning. Distance learning comes under criticism for lack of mental health/suicide support. Speed reading, so may have misread stuff, but that's the jist.

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SD Unified has confirmed students will be able to attend school in-person 5 days/week next school year. They will also have and distance learning options for those that prefer.
 
Fauci laying the groundwork today to make the vaccine mandatory. They may not be able to drag people into the doctor to get it, but you can bet they'll make it a requirement for all govt employees, health care workers, kids attending school, day care workers, employees of major corporations, professional sports figures, college attendance, and kids who want to play youth sports. wouldn't surprise me if they require it for licensed workers either (attorneys, contractors, hair dressers, coaches). They might even go so far as to exclude insurance coverage if you get it and aren't vaccinated.

www.cnn.com

Fauci says Covid-19 vaccine may not get US to herd immunity if too many people refuse to get it

Dr. Anthony Fauci says he would "settle" for a Covid-19 vaccine that's 70% to 75% effective, but that this incomplete protection, coupled with the fact that many Americans say they won't get a coronavirus vaccine, makes it "unlikely" that the US will achieve sufficient levels of immunity to...
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lafalafa said:
Yeah understand what saying but the CDC stuff has been all over the place and the pres, vice and others have contradicted them several times and now this::
www.yahoo.com

Actual Coronavirus Infections Vastly Undercounted, CDC Data Shows

The number of coronavirus infections in many parts of the United States is more than 10 times higher than the reported rate, according to data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.The analysis is part of a wide-ranging set of surveys started by the CDC to estimate...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

Hawaii is nice
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The CDC has been inaccurate and have no idea what the virus is doing. They haven’t been a reliable government agency at all. CDC needs to be on the know all and they aren’t. Another reason to go to small government; can’t imagine the millions upon billions wasted with this organization. In a time of crisis they have little to know idea wtf is going on.
 
chiefs said:
The CDC has been inaccurate and have no idea what the virus is doing. They haven’t been a reliable government agency at all. CDC needs to be on the know all and they aren’t. Another reason to go to small government; can’t imagine the millions upon billions wasted with this organization. In a time of crisis they have little to know idea wtf is going on.
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Two things strike me as counterproductive in the handling of messaging to the public. One is that it isn't emphasized enough that there is a lot of uncertainty. Stating, "We don't really know", isn't used often enough. Then when the public finds out they really didn't know, credibility suffers. I also feel like the culture of "controlling the message" isn't serving the populace very well. These big organizations such as the CDC and WHO get a lot of data. Maybe they need to become a repository of data and disseminate it to multiple organizations of various affiliations (biases). Let them analyze it and present their conclusions/recommendations/concerns back to the parent organization. The parent organization can decide their recommendations while also including the analyses from the other organizations. As a side benefit, it will help with transparency and will reduce the likelihood that the public gets lied to because someone (such as Fauci and his mask recommendation) believes we can't handle the truth. I believe it will also increase the likelihood of "buy-in" for the recommendations that are made as more factions will have been included in the process.
 
MicPaPa said:
I know, you want everyone to do research for you...another weak tactic of the left. OK, I'll play along just this one time.

In their own words...

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You can’t be this stupid, can you?
Jesus what a fuckin’ idiot you are.
Do you party with Outlaw? You should.
 
Grace T. said:
The US would have a very hard time shutting down state to state travel because the US Constitution was (because of history) expressly designed to try and stop that.
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The us Constitution also gives states a Constitutional duty to care for it's citizens. That contradicts with the right it gave citizens to travel. . Ah! We have a conflict in the law now. Time to head to the supreme court.

My bet that states will win this one as long as they make narrowly tailor it.
 
Anon9 said:
Cuba
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Cuba's model of communism does not follow the original Marx's model for evolution into a Communist state. Marx model was for society to go from agrarian to industrialization to Capitalism to socialism and finally to communism. His ideal country at the time to undergo this when he was alive was Germany.

Cuba is more like Russia. Agrarian revolution -> bypasses industrialization and capitalism -> socialism while attempting to generate industrialization in socialism.

Just bringing this up because most people are surprised, but Marx almost at the start of his book "The Capital" described Capitalism as the most efficient system to generate wealth and technological advancement. So it isn't surprising that he sees the end of the runway of Capitalism to be replaced by Socialism. But there was Capitalism FIRST, before Socialism.
 
blam said:
Cuba's model of communism does not follow the original Marx's model for evolution into a Communist state. Marx model was for society to go from agrarian to industrialization to Capitalism to socialism and finally to communism. His ideal country at the time to undergo this when he was alive was Germany.

Cuba is more like Russia. Agrarian revolution -> bypasses industrialization and capitalism -> socialism while attempting to generate industrialization in socialism.

Just bringing this up because most people are surprised, but Marx almost at the start of his book "The Capital" described Capitalism as the most efficient system to generate wealth and technological advancement. So it isn't surprising that he sees the end of the runway of Capitalism to be replaced by Socialism. But there was Capitalism FIRST, before Socialism.
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Most people that argue communism vs capitalism have little idea what either one is.
 
blam said:
Cuba's model of communism does not follow the original Marx's model for evolution into a Communist state. Marx model was for society to go from agrarian to industrialization to Capitalism to socialism and finally to communism. His ideal country at the time to undergo this when he was alive was Germany.

Cuba is more like Russia. Agrarian revolution -> bypasses industrialization and capitalism -> socialism while attempting to generate industrialization in socialism.

Just bringing this up because most people are surprised, but Marx almost at the start of his book "The Capital" described Capitalism as the most efficient system to generate wealth and technological advancement. So it isn't surprising that he sees the end of the runway of Capitalism to be replaced by Socialism. But there was Capitalism FIRST, before Socialism.
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Marxists tend not to approve of any particular Marxist state.

Something about the state engineered famines makes it awkward to talk about.

(USSR 32-33, PRC 59-61, Cambodia 75-77, North Korea 94-98)
 
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