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Fauci laying the groundwork today to make the vaccine mandatory. They may not be able to drag people into the doctor to get it, but you can bet they'll make it a requirement for all govt employees, health care workers, kids attending school, day care workers, employees of major corporations, professional sports figures, college attendance, and kids who want to play youth sports. wouldn't surprise me if they require it for licensed workers either (attorneys, contractors, hair dressers, coaches). They might even go so far as to exclude insurance coverage if you get it and aren't vaccinated.

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Fauci says Covid-19 vaccine may not get US to herd immunity if too many people refuse to get it

Dr. Anthony Fauci says he would "settle" for a Covid-19 vaccine that's 70% to 75% effective, but that this incomplete protection, coupled with the fact that many Americans say they won't get a coronavirus vaccine, makes it "unlikely" that the US will achieve sufficient levels of immunity to...
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lafalafa said:
Yeah understand what saying but the CDC stuff has been all over the place and the pres, vice and others have contradicted them several times and now this::
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Actual Coronavirus Infections Vastly Undercounted, CDC Data Shows

The number of coronavirus infections in many parts of the United States is more than 10 times higher than the reported rate, according to data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.The analysis is part of a wide-ranging set of surveys started by the CDC to estimate...
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Hawaii is nice
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The CDC has been inaccurate and have no idea what the virus is doing. They haven’t been a reliable government agency at all. CDC needs to be on the know all and they aren’t. Another reason to go to small government; can’t imagine the millions upon billions wasted with this organization. In a time of crisis they have little to know idea wtf is going on.
 
chiefs said:
The CDC has been inaccurate and have no idea what the virus is doing. They haven’t been a reliable government agency at all. CDC needs to be on the know all and they aren’t. Another reason to go to small government; can’t imagine the millions upon billions wasted with this organization. In a time of crisis they have little to know idea wtf is going on.
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Two things strike me as counterproductive in the handling of messaging to the public. One is that it isn't emphasized enough that there is a lot of uncertainty. Stating, "We don't really know", isn't used often enough. Then when the public finds out they really didn't know, credibility suffers. I also feel like the culture of "controlling the message" isn't serving the populace very well. These big organizations such as the CDC and WHO get a lot of data. Maybe they need to become a repository of data and disseminate it to multiple organizations of various affiliations (biases). Let them analyze it and present their conclusions/recommendations/concerns back to the parent organization. The parent organization can decide their recommendations while also including the analyses from the other organizations. As a side benefit, it will help with transparency and will reduce the likelihood that the public gets lied to because someone (such as Fauci and his mask recommendation) believes we can't handle the truth. I believe it will also increase the likelihood of "buy-in" for the recommendations that are made as more factions will have been included in the process.
 
MicPaPa said:
I know, you want everyone to do research for you...another weak tactic of the left. OK, I'll play along just this one time.

In their own words...

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You can’t be this stupid, can you?
Jesus what a fuckin’ idiot you are.
Do you party with Outlaw? You should.
 
Grace T. said:
The US would have a very hard time shutting down state to state travel because the US Constitution was (because of history) expressly designed to try and stop that.
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The us Constitution also gives states a Constitutional duty to care for it's citizens. That contradicts with the right it gave citizens to travel. . Ah! We have a conflict in the law now. Time to head to the supreme court.

My bet that states will win this one as long as they make narrowly tailor it.
 
Anon9 said:
Cuba
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Cuba's model of communism does not follow the original Marx's model for evolution into a Communist state. Marx model was for society to go from agrarian to industrialization to Capitalism to socialism and finally to communism. His ideal country at the time to undergo this when he was alive was Germany.

Cuba is more like Russia. Agrarian revolution -> bypasses industrialization and capitalism -> socialism while attempting to generate industrialization in socialism.

Just bringing this up because most people are surprised, but Marx almost at the start of his book "The Capital" described Capitalism as the most efficient system to generate wealth and technological advancement. So it isn't surprising that he sees the end of the runway of Capitalism to be replaced by Socialism. But there was Capitalism FIRST, before Socialism.
 
blam said:
Cuba's model of communism does not follow the original Marx's model for evolution into a Communist state. Marx model was for society to go from agrarian to industrialization to Capitalism to socialism and finally to communism. His ideal country at the time to undergo this when he was alive was Germany.

Cuba is more like Russia. Agrarian revolution -> bypasses industrialization and capitalism -> socialism while attempting to generate industrialization in socialism.

Just bringing this up because most people are surprised, but Marx almost at the start of his book "The Capital" described Capitalism as the most efficient system to generate wealth and technological advancement. So it isn't surprising that he sees the end of the runway of Capitalism to be replaced by Socialism. But there was Capitalism FIRST, before Socialism.
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Most people that argue communism vs capitalism have little idea what either one is.
 
blam said:
Cuba's model of communism does not follow the original Marx's model for evolution into a Communist state. Marx model was for society to go from agrarian to industrialization to Capitalism to socialism and finally to communism. His ideal country at the time to undergo this when he was alive was Germany.

Cuba is more like Russia. Agrarian revolution -> bypasses industrialization and capitalism -> socialism while attempting to generate industrialization in socialism.

Just bringing this up because most people are surprised, but Marx almost at the start of his book "The Capital" described Capitalism as the most efficient system to generate wealth and technological advancement. So it isn't surprising that he sees the end of the runway of Capitalism to be replaced by Socialism. But there was Capitalism FIRST, before Socialism.
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Marxists tend not to approve of any particular Marxist state.

Something about the state engineered famines makes it awkward to talk about.

(USSR 32-33, PRC 59-61, Cambodia 75-77, North Korea 94-98)
 
dad4 said:
Marxists tend not to approve of any particular Marxist state.

Something about the state engineered famines makes it awkward to talk about.

(USSR 32-33, PRC 59-61, Cambodia 75-77, North Korea 94-98)
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There has never been a single purely Marxist state in the history of the world. There have been several attempts, but in general, they have fallen apart when the bureaucratic hierarchy starts demanding privileges above those granted to the masses they supposedly serve.
 
espola said:
There has never been a single purely Marxist state in the history of the world. There have been several attempts, but in general, they have fallen apart when the bureaucratic hierarchy starts demanding privileges above those granted to the masses they supposedly serve.
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That's usually what happens what the bureaucratic hierarchy control everything.
 
Lionel Hutz said:
Hahaha -- this is too much! Pray tell what exactly they are lying about?
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Grace probably doesn't even begin to comprehend the complexity of producing an effective vaccine. Some of the best scientific minds in the world are trying to find an good vaccine. But hey, guess she is an expert.
 
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