met61
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The best employee (D) have...got it.
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Sheriff Joe
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Stuttering.
Pediatrician's weighing in on schools. My friend helped write these. Basically they advocate re open the schools FT, kids should wear masks (with certain exceptions), move a lot of stuff outdoors where feasible, contact sports & bussing limited, but schools need to be prepared if outbreak for virtual learning. Distance learning comes under criticism for lack of mental health/suicide support. Speed reading, so may have misread stuff, but that's the jist.
Quick paraphrase --
"First, we admit that no one knows much about the long-term effects of this pandemic. We are using this as the foundation of ou recommended policy."
That dudes brain is mush
MicPaPa
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kickingandscreaming
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My brother got his GED after dropping out of HS. He went JC for two years and eventually ended up getting his PhD in mathematics. I wouldn't recommend his route, but it worked for him and I'm happy it was an option.
kickingandscreaming
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This is good advice. So far, my daughter has been fortunate getting classes - she started 3 of the 4 on the wait-list. JC's generally try to place everyone, and she registered for classes with multiple sections.
Skeptics, please take the time to read this
Front-line workers: We wish public could see what we see
enewspaper.sandiegouniontribune.com
I'm trying so hard to see what you see. I know many Drs, one ER Doc and a few nurses and no one is saying the suffering is not real. My friend told me about a little girl that was hit by a car and the dad is firefighter and was on the scene to find his dd dying. Rushed her to the hospital where she died and everyone suffered with that loss. Talk about wailing in the waiting room when your told your dd is dead. That was a hard one too. I read article from Fox last night about nurses in Phoenix who just can;t work now because someone they helped died of Corona. My friend says people die everyday of other issues at the hospitals. In fact, he said that's where most people go to die and most suffer in their last moments and their super sad too and all families suffer. All deaths suck and most have to do with suffering.Skeptics, please take the time to read this
Front-line workers: We wish public could see what we see
enewspaper.sandiegouniontribune.com
I'm not saying that people don't die and suffer from other things in hospitals. Nor does this article. Of course they do and it's horrible. The point is for the people who think this virus is over exaggerated, or only effects the old, or don't want to wear a mask, to see that it is very serious and very real. And to please do your part to stay safe and keep others safe. It talks about what the Drs are seeing first hand regarding the virus, not saying there aren't other things people die of.
So far from my own research and talking to my own experts, people who are old or anyone that has heart problems, hyper tension, asthma, cancer, lung and breathing problems and are super over weight, they need to really watch themselves. I hate it when people suffer and die. I watched my dad die for 10 years with Parkinson. His last month was the most sad thing I witnessed for some who was so kind. This guy married my mom with 6 kids all under 13. 4 of her own and two foster kids. The they went out and adopted 6 more, and I was the youngest. That is why I went and visited my dad every day at the VA. 21 years old and going to the Long Beach VA for 6 months until my awesome dad past away. I was the only one out of 12 that could go. My mom suffered too at 90. Her last 48 hours was insane. Again, because of the sacrifice I felt from both of my adopted parents, I went to help them through their suffering. That't what loved ones do. If we had Corona back then, my suffering would be that I cant be with them and that would have been so hard for me for sure. This virus sucks but I think the kids can play some soccer. I know I'm addicted to soccer so I might be willing to take a chance at life and let my dd play. She is ready but will for now go and take chances doing other things.
Chalklines
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lets get this guy to help us play.
Wow!!! I will say most Drs I know don;t believe in the after life so threats of hell isn;t going to work. I would stick to what we have now and today.
MicPaPa
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What he said...
Were skeptics of the gross overreaction, not of the virus itself. We believe the virus is serious and I don't think any of us believe its a hoax. For the 100th time we're wearing masks in public whether or not we believe they're effective or not, although most of us agree they're effective to some degree and should be worn out of respect for others. We're also skeptical of the binary choice being between Covid and everything else. Many medical professionals believe the non-covid health impacts of the lockdown and social isolation will be significantly greater than the direct covid impacts. We're concerned about those health impacts as well. This isn't a choice between youth soccer and Covid despite the fact that many of you want to boil our arguments down to that trite statement. Covid is a danger to a very, very small percentage of our population; however, 100% of us are impacted in some way by the lockdown and social isolation ranging from mild to death.Skeptics, please take the time to read this
Front-line workers: We wish public could see what we see
enewspaper.sandiegouniontribune.com
The Pandemic’s Hidden Victims: Sick or Dying, but Not From the Virus (Published 2020)
As the coronavirus overwhelms the health care system, people with other illnesses struggle to find treatment.
We'd be far less skeptical about the restrictions due to Covid if they were't arbitrary and often times politically based. We'd appreciate actual medical and common sense based restrictions. We've locked down our entire population despite the fact that 1) we know exactly who is vulnerable to this disease (with very few anecdotal exceptions) and 2) the Covid virus possesses very little health risk to the vast majority of the population. The overreaction to the virus by focusing on the whole instead of protecting a few has lead to many unneeded deaths particularly in NY and NJ. Yes, my kid might be able contract and spread the virus to someone vulnerable. However, the focus in the first place should be on quarantining the vulnerable to limit contact to everyone instead of locking down everyone and leaving the vulnerable exposed.
Kids need to be active and physically back in school as Pediatrics Association recommends. Fortunately they understand the bigger picture.
The article you posted would be good for young protesters and bar goers to read, but for most of us its just a "bigger no shit".
MicPaPa
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Spare us the "concern and outrage"... Liberals, government officials and the so-called "experts" have no place telling Americans to wear masks, social distance and stay home...these are the same hypocrites who spent weeks gaslighting tens of thousands of protestors, rioters and looters.
Were skeptics of the gross overreaction, not of the virus itself. We believe the virus is serious and I don't think any of us believe its a hoax. For the 100th time we're wearing masks in public whether or not we believe they're effective or not, although most of us agree they're effective to some degree and should be worn out of respect for others. We're also skeptical of the binary choice being between Covid and everything else. Many medical professionals believe the non-covid health impacts of the lockdown and social isolation will be significantly greater than the direct covid impacts. We're concerned about those health impacts as well. This isn't a choice between youth soccer and Covid despite the fact that many of you want to boil our arguments down to that trite statement. Covid is a danger to a very, very small percentage of our population; however, 100% of us are impacted in some way by the lockdown and social isolation ranging from mild to death.
The Pandemic’s Hidden Victims: Sick or Dying, but Not From the Virus (Published 2020)
As the coronavirus overwhelms the health care system, people with other illnesses struggle to find treatment.www.nytimes.com
We'd be far less skeptical about the restrictions due to Covid if they were't arbitrary and often times politically based. We'd appreciate actual medical and common sense based restrictions. We've locked down our entire population despite the fact that 1) we know exactly who is vulnerable to this disease (with very few anecdotal exceptions) and 2) the Covid virus possesses very little health risk to the vast majority of the population. The overreaction to the virus by focusing on the whole instead of protecting a few has lead to many unneeded deaths particularly in NY and NJ. Yes, my kid might be able contract and spread the virus to someone vulnerable. However, the focus in the first place should be on quarantining the vulnerable to limit contact to everyone instead of locking down everyone and leaving the vulnerable exposed.
Kids need to be active and physically back in school as Pediatrics Association recommends. Fortunately they understand the bigger picture.
The article you posted would be good for young protesters and bar goers to read, but for most of us its just a "bigger no shit".
How do you envision this partial quarantine to work? Whos going to deliver food and groceries to the at-risk population? Are young/healthy people going to do all the work required by grocery stores, hospitals, gas stations, and utilities? Are all young/healthy people going to move out of their parents/grandparents' houses until this is all over? Where's everyone going to live?
Is it ok with you if businesses only employ young/healthy people temporarily - and then they lose their jobs when the older/at risk people get cleared to return to work?
The reason that the lockdowns are keeping rates down is because everyone is complying. If some people aren't required to comply, that increases the rate of new infections, and exposes everyone to increased risks.
Elementary kids will not wear masks all day, classrooms are very crowded and in some cases difficult for teacher to even move around, ask plant supervisors how the kids leave the bathrooms, ask a teacher how often they get sick from what the kids bring to school. Ask a teacher what it would be like to teach outside all day and have the students six feet apart. I am sure "Pediatricians" are all for it. Side note - if you suspect your child is depressed or has a mental illness, definitely seek the help of a mental health professional. Mental illness is a real problem in teenagers, our school district had 3-4 suicides last fall, so again seek professional help for your child regardless of age if you suspect mental illness.