While I think a vaccine will eventually be produced (though it may not be 100% effective or a magic bullet), and while I'm not sure of it, I've begun to suspect Fauci is deliberately being misleading about the timetable for producing a vaccine. Given his history of lying (admittedly about the masks, and suspectedly about the length of the lockdowns), I think he is painting a rosy picture to try and keep people in line (knowing if he were to say summer 2021-late 2021 people would just say f this and rebel but if it's only a few months they are more likely to hold it together for longer). We already know despite the AAP paper, his preference leans towards keeping the schools closed.
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While I think a vaccine will eventually be produced (though it may not be 100% effective or a magic bullet), and while I'm not sure of it, I've begun to suspect Fauci is deliberately being misleading about the timetable for producing a vaccine. Given his history of lying (admittedly about the masks, and suspectedly about the length of the lockdowns), I think he is painting a rosy picture to try and keep people in line (knowing if he were to say summer 2021-late 2021 people would just say f this and rebel but if it's only a few months they are more likely to hold it together for longer). We already know despite the AAP paper, his preference leans towards keeping the schools closed.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Grace, you will never be allowed to go on "The Good News" thread if you keep taking the high road when baited. ;-)
what makes you think he knows?
Oxford is starting trials in Brazil and South Africa because they need more data. That’s just another way of saying they don’t know yet.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Yes, specifically they are doing that because higher rates of infection will yield more reliable test results. My point being only that they haven't had any setbacks yet.
Soweto, South Africa — Britain's Prince William went to Oxford University on Wednesday to meet patients taking part in a human trial of a promising coronavirus vaccine. But with cases of COVID-19 plummeting in England, researchers fear the trial involving 10,000 people may not yield results conclusive enough to prove the vaccine works.
With coronavirus fading in UK, Oxford vaccine trial expands into hard-hit South Africa and Brazil
Oxford University team's drug is a leading contender, but there isn't enough virus still circulating in England for a trial there to work alone.
www.cbsnews.com
You're right. Maybe he doesn't. But if he doesn't, why is he saying anything?
Lionel Hutz
SILVER
This is my bailiwick and it is clear from this comment that you are out of your depth here. I will just leave it at that.
I thought your bailiwick was chasing ambulances and the finer aspects of liquor?
p.s. I am persuadable on this point so dazzle me. with your argument.
In defense of Fauci, I don't know that he is being intentionally misleading, but I think he's giving himself wide latitude in his responses so he is never totally wrong. (i.e. he might of learned from his mask debacle) Agreed, the vaccine is not a magic bullet, nor the deciding benchmark factor that some are making it out to be. We're doing much better with therapeutics and treatment protocols, I understand that hospital stays for Covid have been shortened significantly. We're also doing a much better job of protecting the vulnerable as evidenced by the significant decrease in deaths.
You haven’t figured out that Hutz is the only one here who knows what he’s talking about?I thought your bailiwick was chasing ambulances and the finer aspects of liquor?
p.s. I am persuadable on this point so dazzle me. with your argument.
In defense of capitalism, I notice that on the back of my Safeway receipt is a coupon for 20% off at a pot shop.
Lionel Hutz
SILVER
I just know my lane and choose not to spread misinformation by pretending to know others.
Dr Fauci and team (including short sighted governors-politicians) haven't a care for the the long term mental effects of our children:
UW Health research study results show significant and alarming mental health impacts on school closures and sport cancellations
Results from a much-anticipated research study led by Dr. Tim McGuine, a UW health researcher and member of the WIAA Sports Medical Advisory Committee, have been made public, painting a more complete picture of the impact of the school closures and sports shutdowns resulting from the coronavirus pan
www.wissports.net
One reason I hated school was science teachers. Oh my, did I have fun with one lady. I used to argue with her over evolution and all that stuff. I told her in front of the class that God made everything and the class agreed with me. She was after me after that debate in class. She was insane. I think she studied rocks and had names for them and actually talked to them.Dr Fauci and team (including short sighted governors-politicians) haven't a care for the the long term mental effects of our children:
UW Health research study results show significant and alarming mental health impacts on school closures and sport cancellations
Results from a much-anticipated research study led by Dr. Tim McGuine, a UW health researcher and member of the WIAA Sports Medical Advisory Committee, have been made public, painting a more complete picture of the impact of the school closures and sports shutdowns resulting from the coronavirus pan
Dr Fauci and team (including short sighted governors-politicians) haven't a care for the the long term mental effects of our children:
UW Health research study results show significant and alarming mental health impacts on school closures and sport cancellations
Results from a much-anticipated research study led by Dr. Tim McGuine, a UW health researcher and member of the WIAA Sports Medical Advisory Committee, have been made public, painting a more complete picture of the impact of the school closures and sports shutdowns resulting from the coronavirus pan
Look Chiefs, I get that we are all frustrated. We spent over three months on lockdown and we are just slightly better off than we were in March. And I don't always agree with Newsome, like when he closed the beaches early on. Other than the 4th of July, there is plenty of space at the beach to spread yourself out.
However, you have to remember that governors govern to the lowest common denominator. You and I can have a safe gathering at our homes (I've had a few and attended a few); I can take that 35 mph curve at 70; etc. I'm pretty sure all of us on here are NOT the lowest common denominator and hence the frustration.
But with Texas, Florida, and Arizona rolling back their reopenings, that Blue v. Red state argument is dead. We are literally all in this together. There is no way around it, this is the new normal. We will be up and down, reopening and shutting/rolling back, until December (hopefully!!). That is depressing!
And I agree with Watfly that the only thing we can do NOW is be as smart as possible.
I agree, and I would just like to add that it's not a Blue vs. Red reaction that were having currently because the rolling back of certain activities is based on data and common sense, plus its targeted and not blanketed. It's when we have arbitrary or blanket decisions based on what appears to be politics that it becomes a Blue/Red thing, and results in people taking the mandates less seriously, even the reasonable ones like masks. I would imagine that the majority of us, regardless of which way we lean (or teeter on the far ends), think that the closing of the bars is a good idea.
I still want kids physically back in school and preferably without major restrictions as is recommended by the Academy of Pediatrics.
Look, we have some very selfish adults and it's sad. I've never seen anything like what I'm noticing. I see some who say they care but their lives the last 20 years has nothing to show. Now they say they care about others.....lol!!! I would stay home forever so kids can play and be kids and have a normal life. I mean that 100%. I had a good run, let kids have a life.
Not saying it's a blue/red issue, its a leadership issue or lack there of. In our particular state, Newsome said he would listen to science. Well LISTEN! Kids are more harmed mentally from the shutdown, than the virus itself.
Chiefs, you need to chill out bro. These people do not care about kids. No sir, they come first. Nov 4th we should know our future.
Glitterhater
SILVER ELITE
Selfishly, I want to loosen restrictions on sports because I don't feel our current "allowed" activities at practice are any where near the $200+ / month dues we are paying. But, here I am... paying the god damn dues!
Now offering Club Soccer Insurance or CSI......lol. Pay $19.95 a month and if the season is cancelled for any reason, ((Earthquake, Flood like Noah's Ark, Virus, ect)) you get all your money back. CSI might want to wait until next year to take orders for the 2021-2022 seasons but I like the idea.......