Time to Play

[EOTL]

Errr....if your limiting principle is first amendment activities should be allowed but other businesses are expendable, it would be an o.k. limiting principle. But realize the implications of what you are saying. First amendment restrictions must be content neutral. That means Trump rallies, antiabortion pickets and even KKK marches must be o.k. That also means 4th of July celebrations if privately organized must be allowed to go on. The line of flag burning cases made very clear that this is speech, and as such is not subject to Constitutional restrictions. Also protected under the 1st amendment is religion. It means worship service,s funerals, and weddings (at least religious ones) are protected as well.

Next, even if the protests can't be limited that doesn't mean that government figures shouldn't say they aren't a great idea. But some have even gone out of their way to encourage them as an exception, saying social justice is just way too important. That had the secondary effect of convincing much of the public the experts weren't serious about anything (including masks) and they should just have at it. So in a very real way, the protestor are ver responsible for what's happened. As I wrote above, I think the primary driver of this is now private gatherings and short of Chinese style house arrest I'm not sure any lockdowns or mask orders will do anything.

Lastly, your accusation of racism is not only insulting but bigoted. I'm a 4x minority and have experienced discrimination in my life 4 different ways. Please check your privilege. How many minority credits you got?

Here we go again with the passive voice. There is no “should be allowed” with respect to these protests because there is no person to either allow or not allow them. Unlike like Trump rallies in which a single person controls whether they will happen or not, there is nothing that can stop these protests from happening even when they violate the law. I agree with you that if a 100,000 Klan members want to march down Hollywood Blvd, I won’t complain about the impact on the pandemic. I even believe none of our leaders should schedule mass gatherings, and am grateful there is only one, and he doesn’t carry a lot of weight (figuratively speaking of course). I understand that our leaders also cannot do the impossible and stop a hundreds of thousands of people who decide to get together in a single place. I also understand there aren’t enough handcuffs and jail cells to handle the millions of those protesting civil rights violations nationwide, but there are plenty to deal with 20 Klan members who want to give it a shot. We also know from experience that government attempts to stop protests by shooting people with rubber bullets and tear gas only leads to billions in property damage. And you people claim there’s no benefit from the looting and vandalism caused by rioting. Sometimes practical realities dictate how our government enforces the law whether you like it or not.

Your interpretation of the 1st amendment is mind-bogglingly stupid. In your defense, it’s what happens when dotards with no idea what they’re talking about argue when they aren’t getting what they want.

Your freedom of religion non-sense argument is even worse, but I enjoy pointing out how dumb god people are. Your position has already been argued and rejected many times over. The shelter-in-place rules are neutral and apply equally to you god people and everyone else. You people think you’re entitled not only to equal treatment but also to special treatment and can do whatever they want because, well, god. It is such a joy to see your shock when you’re told god doesn’t mean s**t under the law, and you don’t get to mistreat other people, and you also don’t get to be treated better than anyone else. You just get to be treated the same. If I can’t have my ACLU meeting, you can’t go to your church meeting to whine how unfair it is that gay folk get to eat a cake at their weddings and have it too. Woot woot. Thank, uh, god for Zoom

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

It is not good enough to practice the golden rule...you must work at your implicit bias...

Anti-racism includes beliefs, actions, movements, and policies adopted or developed to oppose racism.

"Anti-racism can be defined as some form of focused and sustained action, which includes inter-cultural, inter-faith, multi-lingual and inter-abled (i.e. differently abled) communities with the intent to change a system or an institutional policy, practice, or procedure which has racist effects."[1]

Get this book to educate yourself...

This Book Is Anti-Racist: 20 Lessons on How to Wake Up, Take Action, and Do The Work https://www.amazon.com/dp/0711245215/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_2CJ9EbX53Y4PV

Here's a better one...

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Thanks for adding support to my position genius.

The perpetual victimhood is bullshit, Dre. The opportunity to be successful is available and you're proof of it. Maybe black folks need to spend less time feeling sorry for themselves and calling people "boot lickers" like everyone else. Seems to me there's only 1 race that doesn't get it.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

It’s more than attitude...it also lots of lies. Columbus discovered America, Jesus is white, Greek mythology are all lies that are consistently told to make white folks supreme.

You want to end white supremacy? Just tell the truth!

"Jesus is white" is a lie? How the fuck would you know? How would anyone know? Nobody here has seen Jesus and half don't believe he/she exists.

You want to end racism against blacks? Try telling the truth, Dre. And the truth is that people are hating blacks more and more because of the lack of accountability for anything. Admit what the statistics are. Stop running from them. Stop blaming everyone else for your failures. You see ANY other race doing that? Stop using history as an excuse. Stop acting like everyone else inherited 40 acres and a mule except you.

 

[espola]

No, they weren't oppressed with systemic racism. If they were, YOU wouldn't have gone to law school. Thousands, if not millions, of black people would not have gone to law school, medical school or gotten MBAs.

Stop with the fucking, wouldn't victimhood. Blacks aren't as educated because an excessive number are born into single family households and can't, or don't, value education. Period.

Racist.

 

[Simisoccerfan]

The best thing we can do for education is have a fair and just society that’s a meritocracy. The number 1 indication of success in school for kids is their parents education level. Since blacks and other minorities have been oppressed by systemic racism we have yet to excel academically in the USA in large numbers. There isn’t an inherent problem with people of African descent learning academics because their ancestors created the first universities-the problem is systemic racism and de facto segregation. We also need culturally and socially relevant education because folks are tired about learning lies about great white men.

As for myself, I was a founding board member of KIPP Bayview Academy and that model works well for the poorest of kids-essentially keep kids in school from sun up to sun down and away from their dysfunctional home environments;
I was also a founding board member of Escuela Bilingue Internacional an Independent IB school in Oakland. My daughter is good friends with the daughter of Kos from the Daily Kos so we started a school for our kids. However, I left after a few years because many of my liberal friends who talked the talk were ultimately full of shit when it came to giving scholarships and support to disenfranchised kids. Saddest thing ever and my first experience with liberal racism/classism.

I have recently purchased a building in Tallahassee, FL to start a small independent school for disenfranchised youth. My school will be a hybrid of the KIPP and IB schools mentioned above. The school is aprox from 1/2 mile from FSU, aprox. 2 miles from FAMU and across the street from a huge park and community rec center. I have also purchased aprox 5 houses around FSU so my poorest students wont have to worry about housing if they go to FSU or FAMU for university.

I don’t think I will solve the problem of access to education but I am hell bent on giving back to ALL kids that come from similar backgrounds as me.

I agree with your comments about education. Another thing that needs to be encouraged in society is the two parent household. I have seen stats that show kids from single parent households struggle more in school and attend college less. Regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, or poltical party households with two parent's commited to their kids is a much better environment for academic success.

 

[Soccermaverick]

It’s more than attitude...it also lots of lies. Columbus discovered America, Jesus is white, Greek mythology are all lies that are consistently told to make white folks supreme.

You want to end white supremacy? Just tell the truth!

History is “myths that were agreed upon” by the dominant culture... Jesus Christ was probably a socialist Arab but people can’t picture that in their heads.

Get the book I mentioned it’s very good...

This Book Is Anti-Racist: 20 Lessons on How to Wake Up, Take Action, and Do The Work https://www.amazon.com/dp/0711245215/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_2CJ9EbX53Y4PV

 

[espola]

"Jesus is white" is a lie? How the fuck would you know? How would anyone know? Nobody here has seen Jesus and half don't believe he/she exists.

You want to end racism against blacks? Try telling the truth, Dre. And the truth is that people are hating blacks more and more because of the lack of accountability for anything. Admit what the statistics are. Stop running from them. Stop blaming everyone else for your failures. You see ANY other race doing that? Stop using history as an excuse. Stop acting like everyone else inherited 40 acres and a mule except you.

Jesus was supposedly a Jew from Nazareth when it was a territory controlled by the Roman Empire.. Your homework for the day is to explain how to get "white" out of that.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Racist.

Good comeback, Ebola. Full of statistics and evidence to prove me wrong.

Stop shitting the bed, you idiot.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Jesus was supposedly a Jew from Nazareth when it was a territory controlled by the Roman Empire.. Your homework for the day is to explain how to get "white" out of that.

Your homework is to prove to me how something exists because it was written in a book.

 

[Grace T.]

The best thing we can do for education is have a fair and just society that’s a meritocracy. The number 1 indication of success in school for kids is their parents education level. Since blacks and other minorities have been oppressed by systemic racism we have yet to excel academically in the USA in large numbers.

The other big factor is marriage, but that would further take this thread down the rabbit hole with discussions of welfare and religions. You also can't get to a meritocracy so long as elites continue to marry elites. In the 50s/60s business men would marry (or at least have affairs) with their secretaries. But now the power lawyer or the power doctor won't marry someone beneath their income. This is in part being driven by women,who don't want to divide up their resources by carrying a man who might not amount to much. Add to that our society's fixation with defering to experts, licensing to preserve the professional classes, credentialism, and status preferences with elite schools and it's a recipe for a permanent mandarin class. You see this behavior among even African Americans and Hispanics at private or elite elementary/middle/high schools, or President Obama and his wife. In my own circles, they aren't marrying the poor girl just come over on an asymlum claim...they are marrying the doctor, lawyer or sports athlete that made something of themselves and can contribute something to the partnership. The Trump populism is a reaction to this mandarin meritocracy. It's also why many of us have our kids involved in club soccer: as a ticket to college admissions and scholarships and admission into the upper circles, as opposed to the rest of the world where soccer is only a mechanism for either fun or a professional career.

If a bunch of you tiki torchers decide to get together again and roast some marshmallows over a burning cross in Charlottesville, I promise I won’t complain how its your fault that my kid can’t play team sports for a while.

I propose a big fourth of July tournment "to honor the flag and America". It will be accomapnied by speeches before the games reflecting the American spirit. Player's uniforms all have something on them dedicated to the American journey and each team named after a major historical event, from the Constitution, to emmancipation, to women's suffrage. 1st amendment. Can't be limited

.

 

[espola]

History is “myths that were agreed upon” by the dominant culture... Jesus Christ was probably a socialist Arab but people can’t picture that in their heads.

Get the book I mentioned it’s very good...

This Book Is Anti-Racist: 20 Lessons on How to Wake Up, Take Action, and Do The Work https://www.amazon.com/dp/0711245215/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_2CJ9EbX53Y4PV

Jesus was a Capricorn
He ate organic food
He believed in love and peace
And never wore no shoes
Long hair, beard and sandals
And a funky bunch of friends
Reckon may just nail Him up
If He come down again'
Cause everybody's gotta have somebody to look down on
Prove they can be better than at any time they please
Someone doin' somethin' dirty, decent folks can frown on
You can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me

--K Kristofferson

 

[Grace T.]

We also know from experience that government attempts to stop protests by shooting people with rubber bullets and tear gas only leads to billions in property damage. And you people claim there’s no benefit from the looting and vandalism caused by rioting. Sometimes practical realities dictate how our government enforces the law whether you like it or not.

Your interpretation of the 1st amendment is mind-bogglingly stupid. In your defense, it’s what happens when dotards with no idea what they’re talking about argue when they aren’t getting what they want.

You're funny. One of my specialities in Con Law (I've studied with the best) and it's clear you have no idea what you are talking about. You've basically argued for mob rule and the destruction of the rule of law because basically the loudest voices have a veto. That's exactly one of the things the FF feared and why they put the first amendment in place. It is a recipe for tyranny. It's nice when the mask slips from extremists (on the right or left) and they reveal their true nature. As for effectiveness, while true they can't arrest and put in jail everyone, they certainly can either suppress it, negotiate out of it (the CHOP is shutting down) but at a minimum condemn it, which not only have Democratic leaders not done but some have actively encouraged it as an exception to pandemic rules.

 

[MacDre]

The perpetual victimhood is bullshit, Dre. The opportunity to be successful is available and you're proof of it. Maybe black folks need to spend less time feeling sorry for themselves and calling people "boot lickers" like everyone else. Seems to me there's only 1 race that doesn't get it.

Outlaw FYI, the only race is the HUMAN race. The race that you speak of is a fallacy created by white men.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Outlaw FYI, the only race is the HUMAN race. The race that you speak of is a fallacy created by white men.

Oh, so black people are arguing for HUMAN lives to matter. Good to know, Dre.

 

[Grace T.]

You're funny. One of my specialities in Con Law (I've studied with the best) and it's clear you have no idea what you are talking about. You've basically argued for mob rule and the destruction of the rule of law because basically the loudest voices have a veto. That's exactly one of the things the FF feared and why they put the first amendment in place. It is a recipe for tyranny. It's nice when the mask slips from extremists (on the right or left) and they reveal their true nature. As for effectiveness, while true they can't arrest and put in jail everyone, they certainly can either suppress it, negotiate out of it (the CHOP is shutting down) but at a minimum condemn it, which not only have Democratic leaders not done but some have actively encouraged it as an exception to pandemic rules.

p.s. I used to be an ACLU member when it stood for the defense of liberties, the Constitution, and the first amendment. It's taken an unfortunate turn into post modern thought which as you've shown isn't a defense of liberty or freedom, but a prescription for tyranny. Sad.

 

[MacDre]

You're funny. One of my specialities in Con Law (I've studied with the best) and it's clear you have no idea what you are talking about. You've basically argued for mob rule and the destruction of the rule of law because basically the loudest voices have a veto. That's exactly one of the things the FF feared and why they put the first amendment in place. It is a recipe for tyranny. It's nice when the mask slips from extremists (on the right or left) and they reveal their true nature. As for effectiveness, while true they can't arrest and put in jail everyone, they certainly can either suppress it, negotiate out of it (the CHOP is shutting down) but at a minimum condemn it, which not only have Democratic leaders not done but some have actively encouraged it as an exception to pandemic rules.

I studied Con Law with Amar. Have won several cases under section 1983 aka The Klu Klux Klan Act. Who’d you study under and what’s your constitutional specialty?

 

[Soccermaverick]

Here is the Truth about Outlaw. Outlaw doesn’t measure his success by what he does FOR people, he measures it by what he does AGAINST people he doesn’t like. That is why he sees himself as being “successful “. This is why Outlaw will never abandon his principles. Outlaw tormenting other people sustains him.

 

[MicPaPa]

My mother died of cancer a couple of years ago... but thanks for asking.

Is the lady wrong? The pussies in charge of these cities let morons block freeways, burn down businesses and walk up and down streets wearing no masks. Aren't YOU tired of being told to do something the feral savages aren't doing? You think THIS lady is responsible for the spike? Do you see videos of HER walking out of department stores with an armful of stolen goods because security can't stop her? Was SHE driving on meth, THC and Fentanyl while passing counterfeit money? Could it have been HER holding a gun to a pregnant woman's belly while robbing her?

A couple of bullets to 1-2 heads would have solved this problem very early. Making an example can save lives. Trump wants law, order and an economy that's robust and employs people. Libtards and their media want hate, rage, and chaos. You decide which one YOU want.

...yeah, but they're "woke"

 

[Copa9]

Unless you have stayed at home the whole time, you probably already know and came into contact with someone that is infected and they just don't realize it. The good news is divide the death percentages by 10.

"CDC Director Robert Redfield on Thursday said the number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. could be 10 times higher than the confirmed case count — meaning a total of more than 20 million. "Our best estimate right now is for every case reported there were actually 10 other infections,” Redfield said during a call with reporters, referencing data from antibody tests that show who has been exposed to the virus. ""

CDC chief: Covid-19 infections could be 10 times higher than confirmed cases

The CDC on Thursday removed a specific age threshold on its guidance for who is at high risk of contracting the virus and now says risk increases steadily with age among adults.

www.politico.com

The key word is "could be". Oh, and there could be a giant earthquake in California tomorrow.