Surf Players Being Discouraged from playing HS?

GT45 said:
Geez are you his PR manager? I have no dog in the fight and do not know a thing about the guy. But, your posts are a little try too hard here. Take a breath. You are so far up his a*s, that it is hard to take your posts credibly.
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More like the perfect club soccer customer. Buying everything they are selling.
 
crush said:
You sure are a trip. Right sometimes and wrong so much of the time. I like this post though. Word gets out by 7th or 8th grade about the next best goats in SoCal. Remember, were not talking just soccer skills to make it the next level. You need $$$$, 4.0++ excellent and worthy of greatness SAT scores+ volunteer your free time helping the homeless and those in need and parents who STFU and pay to play. If you piss off the wrong connections, blacklisted is sure to come your way.
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No more SATs in your neck of the woods. Take that off the list, right?
 
GoldenGate said:
Oh FFS. USC and UCLA both constitute more desirable destinations for an elite soccer player. If USC, UCLA and Pepperdine make 100 offers that are financially similar, 99 out of 100 choose USC or UCLA, and maybe one goes with Pepperdine. That is not a slight against Pepperdine. It is because USC and UCLA have better soccer programs regardless of the fact that Pepperdine had one good season, they are better academic institutions, and they provide better opportunities for pretty much everything that doesn't involve a career in god. But if your kid is going to pick a college because chasing national championships is important to her, by all means go with Pepperdine over UCLA and USC. Makes a lot of sense.
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Wrong. That is what you find more desireable. Pepperdine has top players who prefer Malibu to the dregs of LA. Imagine that!
 
GoldenGate said:
Sure. Currently the only way for a college coach and a player to have any "contact" until late sophomore year is through their club coach, while in the past it helped to get an introduction from the club coach but after that you could have all the contact and make all the visits you wanted. Now, however, the only way for a family to get a decent idea about a program and a coach's demeanor is by relying on what your club coach tells you because you can't even visit until junior year, so now offers are being made and accepted before a kid can even visit a coach on campus. But colleges love the new rule for a couple reasons. First, the don't have to live up to verbal offers made early when the kid gets hurt or doesn't progress. Second, they don't need to waste any more time schmoozing annoying people during informal visits.

Also, if you think college coaches are sitting around twiddling their thumbs to start the recruiting process on June 15 of sophomore year, you are an idiot. Decisions are still essentially being made before then, only they are being made through club coaches without any personal interaction between families and colleges. Club coaches have all the power now due to the compressed recruiting time period.
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College coaches cannot make offers prior to June 15th. Previously they could, and they could do it only through contacts arranged by club coaches. Coaches like Baker acted as player agents/gatekeepers because he knew they could not reach out to players directly. If you had a clue you would know how releived college coaches were with the rule changes. No longer beholden to club coaches. And, if you think college coaches are putting their trust and livelihood in the hands of club coaches by cheating through them, you are a fool. Also, no matter what a club coach may tell a family, there is still zero communication between the player and the college coach. So no way to know if an illegal offer is even legit.
 
GoldenGate said:
Oh FFS. USC and UCLA both constitute more desirable destinations for an elite soccer player. If USC, UCLA and Pepperdine make 100 offers that are financially similar, 99 out of 100 choose USC or UCLA, and maybe one goes with Pepperdine. That is not a slight against Pepperdine. It is because USC and UCLA have better soccer programs regardless of the fact that Pepperdine had one good season, they are better academic institutions, and they provide better opportunities for pretty much everything that doesn't involve a career in god. But if your kid is going to pick a college because chasing national championships is important to her, by all means go with Pepperdine over UCLA and USC. Makes a lot of sense.
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The university you go to does not matter as much as the prestigious colleges would like you to believe. Plenty of data to support that.
 
GoldenGate said:
Great. You should use that logic to send your kid to CSUN instead of Stanford. BTW, Pepperdine is ranked #209 for best universities by salary potential. 2021 College Rankings by Salary Potential | Payscale. Definitely the best option for a kid, especially because it's a private school.
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Why do parents send their kids to school anyway? It sounds like their being forced to go the parents school they want for their kid to look good on SM? Why not let the kid decide what they want to do with their life? Remember EOTL, parent is spelled wrong. It should be spelled, pairrent. Basically, two adults ((pair up)) to "rent" the kid for 18 years. This was not supposed to be "a rent to own kid." Does this make sense in your little brain yet or too much for you to chew on? Control freaks have a hard time with pairrents for some reason. I love it because I'm not responsible for the kid decisions and I did my part. Giving your kids true freedom is amazing. Try it sometime.
 
crush said:
Why do parents send their kids to school anyway? It sounds like their being forced to go the parents school they want for their kid to look good on SM? Why not let the kid decide what they want to do with their life? Remember EOTL, parent is spelled wrong. It should be spelled, pairrent. Basically, two adults ((pair up)) to "rent" the kid for 18 years. This was not supposed to be "a rent to own kid." Does this make sense in your little brain yet or too much for you to chew on? Control freaks have a hard time with pairrents for some reason. I love it because I'm not responsible for the kid decisions and I did my part. Giving your kids true freedom is amazing. Try it sometime.
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How's the job search going? How's your daughter's recruiting process going? Are you still living out of a van?
 
GT45 said:
College coaches cannot make offers prior to June 15th. Previously they could, and they could do it only through contacts arranged by club coaches. Coaches like Baker acted as player agents/gatekeepers because he knew they could not reach out to players directly. If you had a clue you would know how releived college coaches were with the rule changes. No longer beholden to club coaches. And, if you think college coaches are putting their trust and livelihood in the hands of club coaches by cheating through them, you are a fool. Also, no matter what a club coach may tell a family, there is still zero communication between the player and the college coach. So no way to know if an illegal offer is even legit.
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You're one of those morons who created a video and then started emailing college coaches on June 15 after sophomore year thinking that is how it's done, aren't you? Well, I hate to tell you this, but what you thought was the beginning of the race was actually near the end for most top level programs. They weren't reading your kid's email because they were busy on calls making offers that had been discussed and agreed to much earlier between the college and club coaches, and then the club coaches and the parents. College coaches love the new rules because recruiting is now much easier. They can get player recommendations from the club coaches, watch some showcases in peace, and not have to worry about placating kids and families through weirdly set up phone calls and unofficial visits. In fact, they can and are making offers and pressuring decisions even before kids can visit on campus, which is really fucked up. Under the new rules, families must rely on what their club coach is telling them about college programs because they can't even see for themselves before having to decide whether to accept or decline an offer.

I concede that what you are saying may have some truth at lower tier schools, which are always scrambling at the end for the left overs, which makes me think your kid is not an alpha but one of the left overs. So go for it, do things your way. Have your daughter play at a lower tier club and rely on videos of her tearing up AYSO teams. Just remember to set it to some hipster music to really make it pop. I hear Fresno State is always looking for players.
 
GoldenGate said:
You're one of those morons who created a video and then started emailing college coaches on June 15 after sophomore year thinking that is how it's done, aren't you? Well, I hate to tell you this, but what you thought was the beginning of the race was actually near the end for most top level programs. They weren't reading your kid's email because they were busy on calls making offers that had been discussed and agreed to much earlier between the college and club coaches, and then the club coaches and the parents. College coaches love the new rules because recruiting is now much easier. They can get player recommendations from the club coaches, watch some showcases in peace, and not have to worry about placating kids and families through weirdly set up phone calls and unofficial visits. In fact, they can and are making offers and pressuring decisions even before kids can visit on campus, which is really fucked up. Under the new rules, families must rely on what their club coach is telling them about college programs because they can't even see for themselves before having to decide whether to accept or decline an offer.

I concede that what you are saying may have some truth at lower tier schools, which are always scrambling at the end for the left overs, which makes me think your kid is not an alpha but one of the left overs. So go for it, do things your way. Have your daughter play at a lower tier club and rely on videos of her tearing up AYSO teams. Just remember to set it to some hipster music to really make it pop. I hear Fresno State is always looking for players.
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Really unfortunate that you go out of your way to antagonize, insult and demean people and schools. There is substance to your comments that I find really interesting and germane to the discussion but you are not really interested in discussion but in dominating the thread. It is so tiresome and symbolic of why I left this for a while earlier in the year. There are others on this board who have had kids w/successful recruiting experiences who don’t bring near the arrogance that you do because they understand that there are many avenues to the “right” school for each kid and the fact that they may be parenting one who is considered “elite” enough for the top programs does not anoint them and their story some special status. Your use of the terms “alpha” and “left overs” is so telling, just like your ad hominem on Crash (that was just mean). I go out of my way to try to stay down the middle on my commenting - I don’t seek fights and try not to insult - but this is just ridiculous and you need to be called on it. I’d be surprised if my observations are not shared by others (even folks who may disagree w/me on the topic and even folks who might agree with you in substance but not in style).
 
Coach Mario just sent me a Surf Jr Tryouts for the 2016 and 2017 age group for next season. 4 and 5 year olds. No traveling ((yay)) and all local games. 12 month program so dont you dare think about playing biddy basketball or God forbid want to go Surf the waves. Starting so young....
 
dk_b said:
Really unfortunate that you go out of your way to antagonize, insult and demean people and schools. There is substance to your comments that I find really interesting and germane to the discussion but you are not really interested in discussion but in dominating the thread. It is so tiresome and symbolic of why I left this for a while earlier in the year. There are others on this board who have had kids w/successful recruiting experiences who don’t bring near the arrogance that you do because they understand that there are many avenues to the “right” school for each kid and the fact that they may be parenting one who is considered “elite” enough for the top programs does not anoint them and their story some special status. Your use of the terms “alpha” and “left overs” is so telling, just like your ad hominem on Crash (that was just mean). I go out of my way to try to stay down the middle on my commenting - I don’t seek fights and try not to insult - but this is just ridiculous and you need to be called on it. I’d be surprised if my observations are not shared by others (even folks who may disagree w/me on the topic and even folks who might agree with you in substance but not in style).
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I would like to congratulate you on not saying the words that many of us are thinking. You are much more diplomatic than me. I feel sorry for their player, unless they have a personality to match.
 
dk_b said:
Really unfortunate that you go out of your way to antagonize, insult and demean people and schools. There is substance to your comments that I find really interesting and germane to the discussion but you are not really interested in discussion but in dominating the thread. It is so tiresome and symbolic of why I left this for a while earlier in the year. There are others on this board who have had kids w/successful recruiting experiences who don’t bring near the arrogance that you do because they understand that there are many avenues to the “right” school for each kid and the fact that they may be parenting one who is considered “elite” enough for the top programs does not anoint them and their story some special status. Your use of the terms “alpha” and “left overs” is so telling, just like your ad hominem on Crash (that was just mean). I go out of my way to try to stay down the middle on my commenting - I don’t seek fights and try not to insult - but this is just ridiculous and you need to be called on it. I’d be surprised if my observations are not shared by others (even folks who may disagree w/me on the topic and even folks who might agree with you in substance but not in style).
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Calling people out for their bs is a public service. If they want to trash someone's livelihood with a bunch of bs lies, they get the respect they deserve, which is none. Making up shit to attack people is what this forum does best. Conspiracy theories about Cromwell committing crimes and conspiring with the LA Times and the feds? So much fun! Baker and McGuire abusing children? Even better! The dude who fielded a team of Brazilians and won some kiddie tournament? Now's our chance to go full xenophobe! And, of course, let's trash Rapinoe, because homophobia is hard to get away with anywhere else!

Honestly, how hard is it to say that Surf and Deza discourage HS soccer but it's not what you want for your kid, and leave it at that? Impossible apparently. Instead you get the goalie helicopter mom alleging that Deza is "threatening" people (twice) and engaging in behavior that is "shocking", crush commiserating about "how sad" it is what Deza is doing to children, socalsoccer dad claiming what coaches are doing is "unethical" after making up a fake and unsupported allegation that some unidentified coach "forced" kids to change soccer clubs so they could play HS soccer, bigd claiming that Deza is trying to "control your children" and scam you out of money, and then crush again, this time trashing foreigners. Yet you think I'm the problem for making fun of it.

The reality is that Surf and Deza discourage soccer because they are trying to help their players and they believe it's the best way to do it. There's no conspiracy. Being honest about their goals and expectations is not a "threat". They aren't trying to "control your children" or scam you to line their pockets. It's your problem if you think it's fun to make up bs about people that actually impacts their livelihood, but it's not ok for me to mock them for the complete and utter stupidity of what they're saying.
 
GoldenGate said:
You're one of those morons who created a video and then started emailing college coaches on June 15 after sophomore year thinking that is how it's done, aren't you? Well, I hate to tell you this, but what you thought was the beginning of the race was actually near the end for most top level programs. They weren't reading your kid's email because they were busy on calls making offers that had been discussed and agreed to much earlier between the college and club coaches, and then the club coaches and the parents. College coaches love the new rules because recruiting is now much easier. They can get player recommendations from the club coaches, watch some showcases in peace, and not have to worry about placating kids and families through weirdly set up phone calls and unofficial visits. In fact, they can and are making offers and pressuring decisions even before kids can visit on campus, which is really fucked up. Under the new rules, families must rely on what their club coach is telling them about college programs because they can't even see for themselves before having to decide whether to accept or decline an offer.

I concede that what you are saying may have some truth at lower tier schools, which are always scrambling at the end for the left overs, which makes me think your kid is not an alpha but one of the left overs. So go for it, do things your way. Have your daughter play at a lower tier club and rely on videos of her tearing up AYSO teams. Just remember to set it to some hipster music to really make it pop. I hear Fresno State is always looking for players.
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No, I am not a moron, Angry Dude. I know the process quite well, and I am friendly with many top college coaches. Your attitude is downright comical. You are the angry boss shouting at us pions (in your very small mind), like some know-it-all. Your credibility was shot early on in your posting. I just laugh at your posts now. Go take a breath. You take yourself way too seriously. Why are you so angry? And, your defense of Deza is hilarious. Is that you, Mr. Deza?

Oh, by the way, the new recruiting rules have really only taken effect for the 2023's, since the 2022's were bit by Covid. There was nothing normal about their journeys. So your know-it-all attitude on the new recruiting rules is a figmant of your imagination.
 
GT45 said:
No, I am not a moron, Angry Dude. I know the process quite well, and I am friendly with many top college coaches. Your attitude is downright comical. You are the angry boss shouting at us pions (in your very small mind), like some know-it-all. Your credibility was shot early on in your posting. I just laugh at your posts now. Go take a breath. You take yourself way too seriously. Why are you so angry? And, your defense of Deza is hilarious. Is that you, Mr. Deza?

Oh, by the way, the new recruiting rules have really only taken effect for the 2023's, since the 2022's were bit by Covid. There was nothing normal about their journeys. So your know-it-all attitude on the new recruiting rules is a figmant of your imagination.
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Angry? I'm having a perfectly enjoyable time mocking people here. Maybe we should change the subject and accuse some random soccer coach of abusing children or taking bribes. It's been almost two days since the last time.
 
GoldenGate said:
Angry? I'm having a perfectly enjoyable time mocking people here. Maybe we should change the subject and accuse some random soccer coach of abusing children or taking bribes. It's been almost two days since the last time.
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Yeah angry. Go read your posts. You are in this power shouting match. Go look at how many posters are supporting posts for calling you out on your b.s. Now look at who supports your posts. That would be no one.
 
GoldenGate said:
Angry? I'm having a perfectly enjoyable time mocking people here. Maybe we should change the subject and accuse some random soccer coach of abusing children or taking bribes. It's been almost two days since the last time.
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Or, maybe you should to go face to face with goalie helicopter mommies husband, eh cyber stud?
 
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