Big U or bust with this guy. Maps taught me the truth about what it took to make the grade at Big U. I'm stoked for the Mid Majors. My dd old teammates are all getting minutes and making an impact. I think college soccer should be a path, not the path after HSS and club. Thoughts?
Surf Players Being Discouraged from playing HS?
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Sure. Currently the only way for a college coach and a player to have any "contact" until late sophomore year is through their club coach, while in the past it helped to get an introduction from the club coach but after that you could have all the contact and make all the visits you wanted. Now, however, the only way for a family to get a decent idea about a program and a coach's demeanor is by relying on what your club coach tells you because you can't even visit until junior year, so now offers are being made and accepted before a kid can even visit a coach on campus. But colleges love the new rule for a couple reasons. First, the don't have to live up to verbal offers made early when the kid gets hurt or doesn't progress. Second, they don't need to waste any more time schmoozing annoying people during informal visits.
Also, if you think college coaches are sitting around twiddling their thumbs to start the recruiting process on June 15 of sophomore year, you are an idiot. Decisions are still essentially being made before then, only they are being made through club coaches without any personal interaction between families and colleges. Club coaches have all the power now due to the compressed recruiting time period.
You sure are a trip. Right sometimes and wrong so much of the time. I like this post though. Word gets out by 7th or 8th grade about the next best goats in SoCal. Remember, were not talking just soccer skills to make it the next level. You need $$$$, 4.0++ excellent and worthy of greatness SAT scores+ volunteer your free time helping the homeless and those in need and parents who STFU and pay to play. If you piss off the wrong connections, blacklisted is sure to come your way.
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Oh FFS. USC and UCLA both constitute more desirable destinations for an elite soccer player. If USC, UCLA and Pepperdine make 100 offers that are financially similar, 99 out of 100 choose USC or UCLA, and maybe one goes with Pepperdine. That is not a slight against Pepperdine. It is because USC and UCLA have better soccer programs regardless of the fact that Pepperdine had one good season, they are better academic institutions, and they provide better opportunities for pretty much everything that doesn't involve a career in god. But if your kid is going to pick a college because chasing national championships is important to her, by all means go with Pepperdine over UCLA and USC. Makes a lot of sense.
I love Pepperdine and that awesome campus. I think more then 1% would pick Pepperdine. Maybe 1 is a joke of a guess? Have you been on that campus? Amazing amazing and the location is amazing and the kids that go to school there are amazing. My best pal teaches two classes.
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I love how people here get so upset when someone gets in the way of their bs gossipy conspiracy theories. Gosh, maybe now is a good time to add Deza to that conspiracy involving Amanda Cromwell, the LA Times, the federal Department of Justice and the Annenberg family?
its possible College Soccer for woman could become what it has become for men, professional soccer for woman is just not really a viable career path for the vast vast majority right now, though Id argue it isn't really that viable of a career path for the vast majority of men .
a family member of mine went around and played in some low tier Europe leagues for essentially room and board with host families after high school. Many of us thought he should move on with his life, but he was young and he loved the sport.
Does Pepperdine hand out free rides for woman's soccer. Thats a very expensive college choice if not
Youth only comes once bro and wtf make it so hard for the youth who like to play soccer. It really is insane and sad if you want to play soccer for fun and try and win and play with the best during HS years and teenage life. Were doing school and soccer all wrong in the States and I hope everyone is seeing what I see now. Take Math for example. Horrible subject for most kids. It makes kids feel dumb and no need to do that. Take soccer. My kid could be a 4.8 soccer player but 2.0 math player. Then they make you take SAT ((some cheat and have others take the test for them)) to see if your smart enough to pay to play soccer. I'm just saying it would be cool if you could just have a very high level soccer league for the best of the best and then take some classes at night.
If you got excellent grades, a great attitude, treat others with respect and can play soccer, I think a few can get the ride with the grades and soccer. I dont think their giving out free rides for just soccer and low GPA. You have to have the complete package. Great school to play soccer and get a degree. They got some great players coming in next year. I think they can win it all, moo
If you got excellent grades, a great attitude, treat others with respect and can play soccer, I think a few can get the ride with the grades and soccer. I dont think their giving out free rides for just soccer and low GPA. You have to have the complete package. Great school to play soccer and get a degree. They got some great players coming in next year. I think they can win it all, moo
well maybe some things have changed over the years, but I did hear a story about Jill Ellis telling a high level player who had a decent GPA ( below the student average )but not the SAT ( wasn't really close to average, like 200-300 below) that they can get this player tutors
Is there some leeway given to the cream of the crop still?
This was back when Anson had a monopoly on the sport , and wouldn't recognize your player unless they were a national team player
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NorCal folks fall into 2 camps with Deza -- Love him or don't -- not many fall in between. We had 2 interactions with him, one with PDP and one with DA. In neither case did my kid feel like she wanted to play for him. Obviously he and his coaches did some great things for some players. He has definitely burned bridges with how he operates. I have known players that he has had that did play HS or other sports outside of soccer to a point, I also know others that didn't want to possibly lose out by not training with others coming in. I agree he never wanted to limit his pool of players to train or have available to play games. I think if his superstars had wanted to play HS he wouldn't have stopped them.
On the HS front we heard all the negative things about playing, but we haven't seen any of it. The better players are able to use the skills to keep out of the way of harm in most cases. My kid played last year and had a blast and is playing again. Missing an ECNL showcase will obviously limit exposure, just for the fact that you aren't there. However, there are many showcases around the country to attend as well as numerous camps, so that if you want to be recruited and you have some skills you can find a place that will work for you.
I love the idea of my kid playing for her school more than I do going to showcases --
On the HS front we heard all the negative things about playing, but we haven't seen any of it. The better players are able to use the skills to keep out of the way of harm in most cases. My kid played last year and had a blast and is playing again. Missing an ECNL showcase will obviously limit exposure, just for the fact that you aren't there. However, there are many showcases around the country to attend as well as numerous camps, so that if you want to be recruited and you have some skills you can find a place that will work for you.
I love the idea of my kid playing for her school more than I do going to showcases --
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The 2019 national HS player of the year played club for Deza, as have a couple other recent HS All Americans all of whom came back after HS, plus just about everyone on his 02 Quakes team. His own kid played HS. All of this stuff about how he boots kids off his teams for playing HS is just so ridiculous. But if your kid isn't great, they run the risk of getting replaced or benched while they are gone, because life is about making choices. Some people here, however, seem to think it is about blaming everyone but themselves for the choices they make instead of taking responsibility for them. There's nothing wrong with him or Surf discouraging HS, just as there is nothing wrong with taking a parent taking their chances that playing it anyway will work out. It's not some evil, nefarious plot. There is something very wrong, however, with parents blaming him for the fact that their kid just isn't good enough to play HS without having to worry about getting replaced. Deza is pretty straightforward about that, but some parents only want sunshine blown up their ass.
Is goalie helicopter mommy ever going to explain what Deza did to her kid that was so horrible? I'm guessing her kid never even made the team and she has never even talked to him in her life. Instead she's regurgitating bs previously spewed by other jilted parents of players who just weren't that good. Am I right goalie helicopter mom?
More like the perfect club soccer customer. Buying everything they are selling.
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No more SATs in your neck of the woods. Take that off the list, right?
Wrong. That is what you find more desireable. Pepperdine has top players who prefer Malibu to the dregs of LA. Imagine that!
College coaches cannot make offers prior to June 15th. Previously they could, and they could do it only through contacts arranged by club coaches. Coaches like Baker acted as player agents/gatekeepers because he knew they could not reach out to players directly. If you had a clue you would know how releived college coaches were with the rule changes. No longer beholden to club coaches. And, if you think college coaches are putting their trust and livelihood in the hands of club coaches by cheating through them, you are a fool. Also, no matter what a club coach may tell a family, there is still zero communication between the player and the college coach. So no way to know if an illegal offer is even legit.
The university you go to does not matter as much as the prestigious colleges would like you to believe. Plenty of data to support that.
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Great. You should use that logic to send your kid to CSUN instead of Stanford. BTW, Pepperdine is ranked #209 for best universities by salary potential. 2021 College Rankings by Salary Potential | Payscale. Definitely the best option for a kid, especially because it's a private school.
Why do parents send their kids to school anyway? It sounds like their being forced to go the parents school they want for their kid to look good on SM? Why not let the kid decide what they want to do with their life? Remember EOTL, parent is spelled wrong. It should be spelled, pairrent. Basically, two adults ((pair up)) to "rent" the kid for 18 years. This was not supposed to be "a rent to own kid." Does this make sense in your little brain yet or too much for you to chew on? Control freaks have a hard time with pairrents for some reason. I love it because I'm not responsible for the kid decisions and I did my part. Giving your kids true freedom is amazing. Try it sometime.
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How's the job search going? How's your daughter's recruiting process going? Are you still living out of a van?