I'd be curious to see the "Salary by college athletes that aren't playing pro football or basketball."
Surf Players Being Discouraged from playing HS?
- Thread starter ecsoccermom
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First off, I have nothing but positives regarding Deza and his coaching children to be the best soccer player now and in college. He's the boss now and he was never my boss or my dd boss. My dd only played against his teams and beat them both times, his EQ team and Force team
From what everyone is saying about his coaching and teaching the passing game and not caring about the score is true and according to legends, he's top notch, you mean person. I can voice my "moo displeasure" about the player pool and not allowing HSS. I think it's unfair and not right but to each his own.
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kickingandscreaming
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My daughter played for Deza. He legitimately felt the training in HS was not worthy of the elite players. Nothing more - nothing less. In DA, you paid the same whether you played HS or not - so it definitely wasn't about the money then. Yes, you can "get back in pretty quickly" but with a lost period of time of better training and whatever incremental gain that entails.
There are very good reasons to play HS soccer, or another sport other than soccer for that matter, that have nothing to do with the training. I like ECNL because it gives clubs and families a choice - unlike DA.
all local is a bit deceiving when the majority of your road games are in East county and your team is in north county
Payscale relies on anonymous self-reporting so not exactly a great source.
I could spend the time to post better sources that show that lifetime earnings potential is more closely linked to SAT/ACT scores than university attended unless you are a minority, but it wouldn’t make any difference to you so I won’t bother.
What’s the end game here? Playing for USC/UCLA or what you prefer to call lesser schools such as Pepperdine or SDSU? If playing for a strong ECNL club showcases a player to get into a school, with possible scholarship money or not, that they otherwise wouldn’t get into without a ECNL soccer background….well that’s a “win”. I’m referring to schools like Stanford and Ivy League schools. Not UCLA and USC. If your daughter wants to go pro and make $52 grand playing in the NWSL for 3-4 years while holding down a waitress job on the side, you better keep that spare room open at your house, cause she will be moving back in at age 25. A degree from a prestigious school sets a kid up for life. Play futbol to get into school, and get a legit degree should be the goal for 99% of these teenagers. If my daughter wants to play professionally, I would highly discourage it. Your mileage may vary…
I can share from my personal experience. First, most of us dads who grew up in Socal and actually played sports were either SC or Bruin fans. My mom went to SC and my bro went to UCLA. Basically, either you like one or hate one. I was different kind of fan. I liked both schools and took a lot heat for that. Fast forward a few years to my little baby girl. She is balling and I mean really really balling in the socal youth soccer circuit and of course, I would like my goat to play at big U, right? No way were doing all this soccer for CSUN or The Runnin Rebels........this was me early on btw and not my attitude today. I got humbled
Again, this is the mind set of most dads early on plus our kid will get a full ride in soccer. I do remember three Docs all tell my player in 7th and 8th grade, "where do you want to play college and for God's sakes, please don't say UCLA or USC." I now know why!!!P.S. Money is not everything and money will never buy you true happiness. The goal for all teenagers should be to do whatever you like with YOUR life. I told both my kids to always know their is a place for them to come live anytime and no one will be mocked for needing a place to sleep in tough times. Whatever my dd wants I support her is the point I'm making,
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In the business world 10% of the colleges have name recognition in some form or other (split by industry) with employers. The other 90% check the box for a 4 year college on a resume. The big name colleges can get your foot in the door for an interview but that's about it. Theoretically the more opportunities you get for interviews the better your chances are for a good job. So there is value in going to one of the to 10% name recognition schools. However, I'm not sure if all the extra things you need to do are worth it though. If you really want to get ahead just do an MBA or JD.I can share from my personal experience. First, most of us dads who grew up in Socal and actually played sports were either SC or Bruin fans. My mom went to SC and my bro went to UCLA. Basically, either you like one or hate one. I was different kind of fan. I liked both schools and took a lot heat for that. Fast forward a few years to my little baby girl. She is balling and I mean really really balling in the socal youth soccer circuit and of course, I would like my goat to play at big U, right? No way were doing all this soccer for CSUN or The Runnin Rebels........this was me early on btw and not my attitude today. I got humbled
P.S. Money is not everything and money will never buy you true happiness. The goal for all teenagers should be to do whatever you like with YOUR life. I told both my kids to always know their is a place for them to come live anytime and no one will be mocked for needing a place to sleep in tough times. Whatever my dd wants I support her is the point I'm making,
Another thing to consider is if you're playing soccer at a big name college exactly how much time will you get to spend on studies? I've heard rumors of college coaches passing on players that say they're going after overly complex degrees.
Professional Men's and Women's soccer players start out making 40k-75k per year.
I have a relative that went to one of the Elite D1 Private Schools on Lacrosse scholarship. Had most of his college paid for. When he graduated he looked into doing professional Lacrosse and decided against it when he found out people bagging groceries were making the same amount of money as pro players. He said that this was one of the biggest issues with players continuing to do sports after college. You could make 100k+ in a desk job (with upward mobility) or 30k playing sports with very little chance of doing better. If there was student loans you literally had to do a desk job.
I know this far fetch idea but I'm hearing some cool stuff about the UBI and how Magnetism will change all of our lives for the better. Now if you want talk about the way things used to be, I agree with everything your saying.
oh canada
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Someone is wayyyyyy too invested and spending wayyyyy too much time with youth soccer.
MW seems like nice guy, but if I'm being completely honest, I always thought his teams played a lot of kickball. Watch his defenders, do they try to possess and pass the ball out and around or just blast the ball out of bounds or forward over the midfield? Maybe that's changed.
oh canada
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somebody else is wayyyyy too "invested" in youth soccer.
oh canada
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don't be so sure, Surf has lost top starters from its 2004, 2005, and 2006 team through the years.
Maybe when the DA was running. The environment in SoCal is quite different today.
Quick funny story. Wife goes up to Brandi Chastain to thank her for coaching my daughter at Interregionals. Just as she gets there Brandi starts talking about my daughter to the keeper coach. Made it look like my wife was trying to listen in.
I'm pretty sure last ECNL is in Tennessee this weekend and last GA is following weekend at Silverlakes. Shouldn't all girls be free for a couple months to play High School then?
Alyssa Thompson seemed to have no issues playing club (top 10 ranked) and High School (Player of the year)
Silverlakes is hosting a pretty big High School Tournament Dec. 20-22. SilverLakes Winter Classic.
Alyssa Thompson seemed to have no issues playing club (top 10 ranked) and High School (Player of the year)
Silverlakes is hosting a pretty big High School Tournament Dec. 20-22. SilverLakes Winter Classic.
ecsoccermom
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MW's teams were actually known for their passing. The 2006 National Championship team was notorious for the entertaining style of play. Don't take my work for it. Look up the old posts from 2-3 years ago.
Lightning Red
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They certainly lost some over the years. Back to the point, however, how many of them went to Sharks? I can't think of any.
You rank schools by graduates’ salaries. So you recommend my kid should play for Harvey Mudd?
Not a bad idea, actually. The games would be closer than if she played for MIT.
Either way, it’s time to stop worrying about ECNL and pay more attention to robotics.
I can substantiate your post. My youngest 06 DD played for LAGSB and LAG DA. We went head to head with MW 06 Albion team for several years. Great battles playing possession minded soccer. I won't post it but I have the film from some of those games.
If Surf players were leaving the club several years ago it would be for DA (Albion or City) or went to Blues.
Sharks have a DOC that can make things happen now so it remains to be seen if this is an option.