Surf Cup's Fate

[crush]

Aside from just trying to shit on someone who literally does not care about you, I don't understand why you would even make this post. Surf has been very very good for us in the past and has been a staple of our tournament play along with Vegas Cup, the yearly trip to Orlando, etc. We also realistically understand that as of last March, the year 2020 was going to be shot. Please stop trying to deny reality.

A true winners attitude right there.

 

[crush]

Its me again asking another favor. concerning Surf cup youngers tourney (dec 27th-29th). and im not asking on a club level just team by team. as far as 2010s go.
please DM me if you know for a fact that your team is either in or out...definitely. using Surf cup officials ruling and not the state of California's.
just your teams name with a yes or no. Texas teams wants to travel but we need to know if it will be worth it.
thanks in advance!

@Luis Andres, you guys going to AZ for the Cup?

 

[SoccerFan4Life]

We will not be going. Enough parents have said that with the proximity to the holidays, plus the massive uptick in cases, plus the vaccine light at the end of the tunnel, have caused them to reevaluate their desire to get their kid some games right now. We could have fielded a team by bringing kids up from a B team but again, because of the nature of the tournament, there's no point for these kids. They will be enjoying their Christmas/Hanukkah presents this year.

This is the biggest problem for all teams right now. Some parents are getting concerned with the covid situation and also looking for a reason to stay at home for the holidays. The teams will go to Surf but I suspect many will be missing more than a couple of players.

 

[a beautiful mind]

BTW, welcome Lurker to the socal soccer forum. I love the avatar name too and all that the brain can do. I was introduced to this place back in 2013. I never lurked either, I just got on here and let it rip like I did when I surfed and almost made pro back in the late 70s. I was so good at surfing and felt my best in the ocean as the sun was setting. Parsons and Booth all told me to go pro and I said, "no way brahs, I only surf for Jah. No leash brah." I was so cocky back then. I actually told them I was going to UCLA and play hoops instead......not!!!!! I did "snap!!!!!!!!!" my ACL and it was all over. I think if I put more into training I could have walked on and played for Walk Hazzard. He came and watched my CIF game. I played the game of my life but he never talked with me. He was after a 6 9' stud from Nogales HS and I was hoping to catch his eye.

well your screenplay seems finished, all we gotta do now is start casting the actors lol.

 

[ToonArmy]

Just received a text that Slammers and LAFC pulled out of Surf Cup.

Me too

 

[a beautiful mind]

This is perhaps the most perfect explanation why there aren’t soccer tournaments in CA right now. When so many parents of 10 year old girls are so willing to put the lives of others in danger to feed their own egos, they need to be stopped to the full extent possible. And when it cannot be completely stopped, it needs to be made as hard as possible so that as few of these idiots as possible are able to engage in the stupid unnecessary behavior that gets people killed.

Because most Californians aren’t willing or financially able, or aren’t stupid enough, to travel to AZ so because they can’t wait until April for their 10 year old to play in a soccer tournament, we can at least minimize deaths by banning tournaments here.

this must be the govenors burner account

 

[crush]

well your screenplay seems finished, all we gotta do now is start casting the actors lol.

It was an amazing 54 years in that old system I lived. Yuck is all I can say. When I say yuck, I mean me f$$$ me and woe is me. Big baby I was. I had a little chat with myself we got things straighten out finally. I mean that 100%. Before we get to the good stuff that was promised to all of us, we need to finish the race and get through the other side of the storm. Were in the eye as we speak. I have no idea what it will be like but I'm ready to get hit by anything. Play ball!!!!

 

[Speed]

Why not have your governor bring in the hospital ship like spring time? Then there is no capacity issues.

because he is an idiot

I started this thread and this will be my last post in it unless things change significantly. No melodrama intended just think all the issues have been covered extensively thanks to all of you. Well done.

Given that Surf is hellbent on having this single tournament, out of state, in the middle of the worst period for this virus (with no improvement in sight for the next several weeks), the responsible adults in the room will have to be us--the parents and families of 8-18yr old children. As I've previously written, I admired Surf's efforts through October, but now I lose all respect for them as this is such an obvious malfeasance that puts health and lives at risk. Shame on them.

So, ask yourself, how important is this one tournament to your child? Will they remember missing it or playing in it 6 months from now after they play their next tournament in Spring 2021, and the next 15 tournaments in the future (including the ECNL or GA or MLS showcase events for college recruits)? Will their soccer skills greatly improve by playing 3+ games in three days after an eight month layoff? Will their long term skills diminish by not playing 3+ games in three days while sharing a hotel room with family members and eating breakfasts out of a paper bag?

Then ask yourself, will your child remember this tournament if one of her teammates or teammates' family members gets sick and can't get medical care because the hospitals are full? Will they remember playing in it if one of the thousands of other kids playing in it dies from Covid, caught from a Phoenix restaurant or hotel? Yes, the risks are low for outdoor sports and children, but they are NOT non-existent. And the more people you have, the more potential contacts you create.

I understand the temptation of giving the "middle finger" to government overreach by playing in this tournament---almost like a protest event between two soccer goals. I am frustrated too. But now is simply not the time. September was the time. April 2021 will be the time. Not now. Things really are scary now. Just ask any doctor or nurse you know.

Surf, par for the course, is only giving 2 days to make up our minds. They want our commitments before things get even scarier next week and the week after. So, do the responsible thing and tell your team managers "you and your family are taking a pass on this one." By doing so, you are prioritizing your child's health, your family's health, your local community's health, and the AZ community's health. Are these not more noble, moral, and intelligent reasons than winning a plastic trophy? You also will be teaching your kids a valuable lesson...some things are more important than soccer. Those that attend will never be able to say the same.

didn't read most of what you wrote but in our area 3 youth suicides in last week alone. We are going and thankful surf is doing what it needs to for it to happen.

 

[lafalafa]

I'm not being critical, since our club is doing the same, but isn't that against the state mandates? I believe the state hasn't really issued any guidance other than the allowance of socially distanced practices. I believe that Calsouth may have said small sided scrimmages are OK, but I don't think the State has technically approved anything other than socially distanced practice. That's my understanding, as wrong as it may be. What's your understanding?

LA county heath has yet to issue any guidance allowing anything other than camps, conditioning, or distance training. Scrimmages of any kind not allowed and there direct reference in the order prohibiting any game play.

Some found workarounds by traveling to other places that would allow it or that look the other way.

School conditioning was allowed until just today when superintendent came down and closed all conditioning and in person @.all schools in LA unified.

Not participating in surf but we had planned to go to Arizona for the MLS next friendlies but that was canceled.

 

[Jose has returned]

won't let me post. its the wolf of wall street "I'm not leaving"

 

[MSK357]

We are running intra-club scrimmages consistently at practice as are associates but as you know that is no substitute for fall league play. You are talking about "indoor facilities" like the thousands of teams from the hundreds of clubs in the area are all running to their local warehouse to go crazy. That ain't happening, friendo. Onesie-twosies do not make a pattern.

Its not Onsie-twosies and full games at parks to include outdoor turf fields count for something. Maybe you haven't been invited to those but they are happening and happening every weekend for the past couple months.

 

[MSK357]

If the youngers were scheduled for SSC only, then yes. If they were scheduled for SSC and Reach, there will be a change.

Youngers are not a reach. Only ssc.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

MVLA hasn't pulled out yet. Should know more this week. I am not aware of other Norcal team plans. 21 day shelter in place ends by Surf assuming numbers don't ramp. Teams can quarantine after assuming they go.

Remember, the county is enabled to be more restrictive than the state, and Santa Clara is currently exercising the power to be more restrictive. I don’t expect that to change. I’d be shocked if SC county lifts anything until AT LEAST Monday, January 4th. They will want to discourage people from getting together on the weekend of New Year’s and shelter in place is the tool they have used. Also, it doesn’t appear we peaked yet in CA cases.

 

[MSK357]

Shhhhhhhh!!

You're right, nevermind notintheface. We aren't playing any games. All socal players and teams have regressed just like yours.

 

[crush]

because he is an idiot

didn't read most of what you wrote but in our area 3 youth suicides in last week alone. We are going and thankful surf is doing what it needs to for it to happen.

It is getting bad Speed and I mean really bad. Christmas is not even here yet and more and more folks are calling it quits, like never before in our life time. How many kids have died since March 11 from suicide by self, subside by dad who is already mentally ill and needs help but cant find help because no one can meet up to check up on each other. You know, I am my brothers keeper and we should look to help our family members out, neighbors and friends. People need face to face cheer and love, not isolation. This is so lame, for reals!!! No one is allowed to go out to see someone else. This is one serious lock down and I will follow and obey until others say enough is enough and something beautiful can take place.

 

[crush]

Remember, the county is enabled to be more restrictive than the state, and Santa Clara is currently exercising the power to be more restrictive. I don’t expect that to change. I’d be shocked if SC county lifts anything until AT LEAST Monday, January 4th. They will want to discourage people from getting together on the weekend of New Year’s and shelter in place is the tool they have used. Also, it doesn’t appear we peaked yet in CA cases.

So if you want to ball in SC, you will need a vaccine, right? Mask vs Vaccine, ya right. OC had over 2,000+ positives.

 

[notintheface]

They are operating within the boundaries of the guidelines. They have a right to legally run their business just like everyone else does.

Look at it this way-- take the money out of the equation. Do you believe Surf would have postponed 3x, moved the tournament, and frantically promoted that it's still happening even as multiple municipalities pull the rug out? That is to say, if Surf didn't need the revenue, would the tournament still happen? My opinion is no.

 

[notintheface]

Its not Onsie-twosies and full games at parks to include outdoor turf fields count for something. Maybe you haven't been invited to those but they are happening and happening every weekend for the past couple months.

I'm very aware that they are happening but you're speaking as if all of Coast, SCDSL, and the letter leagues have all switched to Fight Club soccer when the reality is almost completely the opposite. Get out of your bubble.

 

[ITFC Blues]

Apparently under US Soccer's rules any club that violates a local or state mandate is not covered by US Soccer insurance. If Surf accepts any team from California they are likely at risk as their US Soccer insurance won't cover the teams either. This is the dilemma clubs have when deciding whether or not to attend. Newsom said the travel restrictions are a mandate the other day. Using US Soccer's guidance from their website they are saying that if you can't play games in your own local area, you can't play games in Arizona. At the same time, US Soccer seems to be encouraging teams to play ECNL and GA games out of state.

Q: Is US Club Soccer able to provide a definitive answer as to whether a specific activity (ex: training, games, participation in a tournament in a different state or municipality, etc.) is, or is not, compliant with the applicable local and state public health authorities?


No. Primarily, it is the role and expertise of local and state public health authorities to make this determination. Also, as a national organization, it's not possible for US Club Soccer to be knowledgeable of, or be able to monitor, the various and changing requirements of the thousands of public health authorities throughout the country. For these reasons, we recommend that member organizations seek answers directly from the applicable public health authorities (at the local and state level), and/or consult with legal counsel licensed in the member organization’s jurisdiction.


Q: For an activity that takes place in a different municipality or state than the member/member organization resides or is based, which local and state public health requirements and orders are applicable?


Members/member organizations are responsible to ensure they understand and comply with the requirements and orders of local and state public health authorities applicable to their activities. This means that a member/member organization must comply with the rules and orders of the locality(ies) and state(s): (1) in which the member/member organization resides/is based; (2) where the activity is held; and (3) through which the member may travel while the member is in that locality or state.

 

[EOTL]

Aside from just trying to shit on someone who literally does not care about you, I don't understand why you would even make this post. Surf has been very very good for us in the past and has been a staple of our tournament play along with Vegas Cup, the yearly trip to Orlando, etc. We also realistically understand that as of last March, the year 2020 was going to be shot. Please stop trying to deny reality.

You know exactly why he sent this post.

He did this because he has nothing legitimate to say in response to your prior thoughtful comments. He did it because he mistakenly assumes that - like him - everyone else’s self esteem similarly depends on how well their child can play soccer, and he thinks he can get under your skin by insinuating that your daughter isn’t very good at it. He knows it hurts him to think that his daughter is crap at soccer (or maybe just mediocre), so he thinks that accusing others of the same about their kid will cause similar pain.

He also did it to deflect from his earlier statements that only 12, then 100, then no way more than 12,000, then never more than 100,000, people will die from Covid. And that everyone is really dying from comorbidities like heartburn, since his earlier estimate that no more than 100 people would ultimately die from this would turn out to be a bit of an understatement.

It’s sad to see him put so much emotional capital into his child’s ability and to play soccer. It’s hard enough for people like him to cope with the more typical end of the line for their child in the sport. But watching him wallow in denial and self-pity at this early stage due to the reality of covid and its impact on youth sports is rather sad to watch. As hard a time as he’s having with a soccer tournament moving a couple months, imagine how hard it will be for him when it is actually over. I’d almost feel bad for him if he weren’t supporting behavior that gets people killed.