Surf Cup's Fate

galaxydad said:
the issue with surf cup is the stay to play requirement- hotels are in the top 5 places COVID is spread and those account for 90 percent of non family transmission
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While I'm not a fan of stay and play requirements where do you find scientific proven data that states hotels are in the top 5 and account for 90 percent transmission? Please provide CDC website link showing this info...thanks....
 
Eusebio said:
Let me preface this by saying, I support Local Play with no interaction between parents. A lot of studies (real studies, not just the 5th grade level Surf study) has shown outdoor sports and transmission on the field of play is very rare and low risk overall. Prior to November, the state should have allowed local teams within 50 miles of each other to play games as long as the parents could be completely separated. CA state government did absolutely nothing to ease the pressure valve among rabid SoCal soccer parents and coaches, which has contributed to the current situation. I'll also throw some blame at the Federal government with both Congress and the White House. If they actually came together and passed a Covid Relief/Stimulus bill in the early fall like Wall-Street had expected, you wouldn't have big soccer clubs with large overheads feeling desperate to hold tournaments out of state on New Years in the height of a pandemic. So there's certainly enough blame to go around.

That said, Surf is making a huge mistake by trying to push forward. As others have mentioned, Surf will be needed with their credibility in tack to help get Local Play going in the spring. I know inside the soccer bubble Surf looks like a freedom fighter or Luke Skywalker trying to take the Empire down. But to the majority of outside observers, Surf just looks reckless, desperate and disrespectful to local communities which are battling a very real health crisis on their hands. Using "it's about the children!!" as a shield when it's really about the bottom line. Let's be real here.

Again, I agree rates of transmission and spread on the field are very low. But if you have anywhere from 30,000 - 60,000 people traveling to a local area from out of state for a tournament, you have to worry about how those 30-60k will interact with the local community. Do you think all those people will just stay quietly in their hotel quarantined and not interact with anyone? Remember these are the same people who are there in the first place because they're defying their own states restrictions, justified or not. It's probably a safe bet a percentage of those people will see the local AZ restrictions as government overreach as well. And Surf claims no responsibility for what Little Billy's pop pop does after the game gallivanting around town.

You can't conflate the proven safety of a soccer game with holding a multi-day large tournament event in height of the pandemic. The soccer is fine, it's the large event that's the problem. What's worse is that we're literally right around the corner from finally getting out of this mess with vaccines on the horizon Why risk the bad publicity and angering local AZ residents by forcing an unnecessary event? For the last several weeks covid has become the leading cause of death nationwide. And you better believe AZ politicians will use Surf as a scapegoat if cases continue to surge in January. I also wouldn't be surprised if a few local SoCal TV stations take note of thousands of CA residents going to a large out of state event in the midst of our most restrictive travel bans and issues of self-quarantining when they return come up. I think Surf needs to step outside the bubble and think this through a little more carefully. Focus on winning the war. The battle for Surf Cup 2020 is over. Stop beating a dead horse and give people their refund. We'll need Surf's credibility over the next 2-3 months. Surf Cup in the high desert always sounded absolutely ridiculous anyway. Take the "out" the AZ council gave you and move on.

As for the children, 2020 has been absolute nightmare for them. But if they've survived this long, they can go without a big soccer tournament for a couple more months. Also most clubs have been doing in-house scrimmages so there's ways to keep the kids active in the interim. When I was growing up, I usually only played 1-2 tournaments for the entire year and I didn't play in any tournaments under the age of 12, we did just fine. I think we tend to overstate the value of tournaments and turn our kids into snowflakes if they can't compete for meaningless medals in shortened poorly reffed games. Surf Cup is definitely one of the good tournaments, one of the best in normal circumstances. But these aren't normal circumstances so let's stop pretending they are.
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Thanks for posting. I agree with your idea about local play. Texas did this in the summer and even had full tournaments in August limiting it to one parent with mask and distancing. They have been playing through the fall. It's pretty much the same with Arizona and Colorado. Cases continued to drop until October/November. The lack of soccer in CA shouldn't surprise anyone. These actions are consistent with the ideology of those we elected. Our ECNL teams haven't played an ECNL game in CA in over a year and haven't been allowed to scrimmage or have contact in training for over 8 months. The very real problem policy makers are facing now is that many in youth sports in CA see no end in sight for the restrictions. Teams and families will continue to do whatever they can to have some sort of "normalcy" and they'll treat policies they see as misguided or unfair accordingly. I can't imagine there would be a huge appetite for Surf Cup in AZ over New Year's if CA teams had been playing locally through the fall.
 
Eusebio said:
Let me preface this by saying, I support Local Play with no interaction between parents. A lot of studies (real studies, not just the 5th grade level Surf study) has shown outdoor sports and transmission on the field of play is very rare and low risk overall. Prior to November, the state should have allowed local teams within 50 miles of each other to play games as long as the parents could be completely separated. CA state government did absolutely nothing to ease the pressure valve among rabid SoCal soccer parents and coaches, which has contributed to the current situation. I'll also throw some blame at the Federal government with both Congress and the White House. If they actually came together and passed a Covid Relief/Stimulus bill in the early fall like Wall-Street had expected, you wouldn't have big soccer clubs with large overheads feeling desperate to hold tournaments out of state on New Years in the height of a pandemic. So there's certainly enough blame to go around.

That said, Surf is making a huge mistake by trying to push forward. As others have mentioned, Surf will be needed with their credibility in tack to help get Local Play going in the spring. I know inside the soccer bubble Surf looks like a freedom fighter or Luke Skywalker trying to take the Empire down. But to the majority of outside observers, Surf just looks reckless, desperate and disrespectful to local communities which are battling a very real health crisis on their hands. Using "it's about the children!!" as a shield when it's really about the bottom line. Let's be real here.

Again, I agree rates of transmission and spread on the field are very low. But if you have anywhere from 30,000 - 60,000 people traveling to a local area from out of state for a tournament, you have to worry about how those 30-60k will interact with the local community. Do you think all those people will just stay quietly in their hotel quarantined and not interact with anyone? Remember these are the same people who are there in the first place because they're defying their own states restrictions, justified or not. It's probably a safe bet a percentage of those people will see the local AZ restrictions as government overreach as well. And Surf claims no responsibility for what Little Billy's pop pop does after the game gallivanting around town.

You can't conflate the proven safety of a soccer game with holding a multi-day large tournament event in height of the pandemic. The soccer is fine, it's the large event that's the problem. What's worse is that we're literally right around the corner from finally getting out of this mess with vaccines on the horizon Why risk the bad publicity and angering local AZ residents by forcing an unnecessary event? For the last several weeks covid has become the leading cause of death nationwide. And you better believe AZ politicians will use Surf as a scapegoat if cases continue to surge in January. I also wouldn't be surprised if a few local SoCal TV stations take note of thousands of CA residents going to a large out of state event in the midst of our most restrictive travel bans and issues of self-quarantining when they return come up. I think Surf needs to step outside the bubble and think this through a little more carefully. Focus on winning the war. The battle for Surf Cup 2020 is over. Stop beating a dead horse and give people their refund. We'll need Surf's credibility over the next 2-3 months. Surf Cup in the high desert always sounded absolutely ridiculous anyway. Take the "out" the AZ council gave you and move on.

As for the children, 2020 has been absolute nightmare for them. But if they've survived this long, they can go without a big soccer tournament for a couple more months. Also most clubs have been doing in-house scrimmages so there's ways to keep the kids active in the interim. When I was growing up, I usually only played 1-2 tournaments for the entire year and I didn't play in any tournaments under the age of 12, we did just fine. I think we tend to overstate the value of tournaments and turn our kids into snowflakes if they can't compete for meaningless medals in shortened poorly reffed games. Surf Cup is definitely one of the good tournaments, one of the best in normal circumstances. But these aren't normal circumstances so let's stop pretending they are.
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Fantastically organized and written post. A+.
 
Lavey29 said:
So like Take Off eeeehhhhh....lol...sorry no time to chat right now. Kid has full scrimmage today against a strong team. Gonna be great to watch. Will send you some video later. Have a nice day in the bubble.
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Isn't it interesting how you assume a "bigots and morons" post refers to you without being mentioned specifically?
 
oh canada said:
Isn't it interesting how you assume a "bigots and morons" post refers to you without being mentioned specifically?
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Wow, there you go demonstrating your wonderful intelligence level again you sly little sheep you. Terrific day down by the beach for a great scrimmage match. Kid still not in good 90 minute game condition though. Got little winded in the second half. It was perfect shorts and flip flop weather though for December in California. How is the temp inside your bubble?
 
Finally, some sanity on this board! Thank you Eusebio for thoughtfully articulating what many of us are thinking!

Eusebio said:
Let me preface this by saying, I support Local Play with no interaction between parents. A lot of studies (real studies, not just the 5th grade level Surf study) has shown outdoor sports and transmission on the field of play is very rare and low risk overall. Prior to November, the state should have allowed local teams within 50 miles of each other to play games as long as the parents could be completely separated. CA state government did absolutely nothing to ease the pressure valve among rabid SoCal soccer parents and coaches, which has contributed to the current situation. I'll also throw some blame at the Federal government with both Congress and the White House. If they actually came together and passed a Covid Relief/Stimulus bill in the early fall like Wall-Street had expected, you wouldn't have big soccer clubs with large overheads feeling desperate to hold tournaments out of state on New Years in the height of a pandemic. So there's certainly enough blame to go around.

That said, Surf is making a huge mistake by trying to push forward. As others have mentioned, Surf will be needed with their credibility in tack to help get Local Play going in the spring. I know inside the soccer bubble Surf looks like a freedom fighter or Luke Skywalker trying to take the Empire down. But to the majority of outside observers, Surf just looks reckless, desperate and disrespectful to local communities which are battling a very real health crisis on their hands. Using "it's about the children!!" as a shield when it's really about the bottom line. Let's be real here.

Again, I agree rates of transmission and spread on the field are very low. But if you have anywhere from 30,000 - 60,000 people traveling to a local area from out of state for a tournament, you have to worry about how those 30-60k will interact with the local community. Do you think all those people will just stay quietly in their hotel quarantined and not interact with anyone? Remember these are the same people who are there in the first place because they're defying their own states restrictions, justified or not. It's probably a safe bet a percentage of those people will see the local AZ restrictions as government overreach as well. And Surf claims no responsibility for what Little Billy's pop pop does after the game gallivanting around town.

You can't conflate the proven safety of a soccer game with holding a multi-day large tournament event in height of the pandemic. The soccer is fine, it's the large event that's the problem. What's worse is that we're literally right around the corner from finally getting out of this mess with vaccines on the horizon Why risk the bad publicity and angering local AZ residents by forcing an unnecessary event? For the last several weeks covid has become the leading cause of death nationwide. And you better believe AZ politicians will use Surf as a scapegoat if cases continue to surge in January. I also wouldn't be surprised if a few local SoCal TV stations take note of thousands of CA residents going to a large out of state event in the midst of our most restrictive travel bans and issues of self-quarantining when they return come up. I think Surf needs to step outside the bubble and think this through a little more carefully. Focus on winning the war. The battle for Surf Cup 2020 is over. Stop beating a dead horse and give people their refund. We'll need Surf's credibility over the next 2-3 months. Surf Cup in the high desert always sounded absolutely ridiculous anyway. Take the "out" the AZ council gave you and move on.

As for the children, 2020 has been absolute nightmare for them. But if they've survived this long, they can go without a big soccer tournament for a couple more months. Also most clubs have been doing in-house scrimmages so there's ways to keep the kids active in the interim. When I was growing up, I usually only played 1-2 tournaments for the entire year and I didn't play in any tournaments under the age of 12, we did just fine. I think we tend to overstate the value of tournaments and turn our kids into snowflakes if they can't compete for meaningless medals in shortened poorly reffed games. Surf Cup is definitely one of the good tournaments, one of the best in normal circumstances. But these aren't normal circumstances so let's stop pretending they are.
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chiefs said:
There’s is NO science showing soccer is a virus risk. NONE, ZILCH, NADA...Now suicides are running rampant everywhere, even a 6th grader on zoom in front of his Classmates blew his brains out..Congrats to the basement dwellers for understanding mental health issues and the impact.
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Who is the idiot that leaves a gun available for a 6th grader to blow their brains off. Mental health is definitely taking a toll on people. Drugs and alcohol as well.
Here’s the problem, doctors and nurses are now realizing that they cannot handle the amount of patients coming in. They are asking for people to quarantine. It took me 3 hours to get a covid test last week. This is all getting out of control.
 
Lavey29 said:
How about those premiere league games today huh snowflake? Some great champions league games also last week. Only little over 3 weeks till surf cup to... cant wait....how about you? Excited for some great soccer play?
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You are a crack up. Creative use of the most overused word in 2020. Anecdotal evidence show that using the term snowflake correlates to being a snowflake. Look up the meaning of the word and tell me if you are a Missouri 1860s Snowflake or a contemporary Snowflake.

We played soccer today and yesterday. And yes, EPL and CL games are pretty cool to watch. How that connects to Surf? Only you know.

Whether you like it or not, Surf has significant hurdles ahead of it. If they pull it off then so be it. I have a player that will play. Hopefully there are some cross league games between ECNL and GA.
 
happy9 said:
You are a crack up. Creative use of the most overused word in 2020. Anecdotal evidence show that using the term snowflake correlates to being a snowflake. Look up the meaning of the word and tell me if you are a Missouri 1860s Snowflake or a contemporary Snowflake.

We played soccer today and yesterday. And yes, EPL and CL games are pretty cool to watch. How that connects to Surf? Only you know.

Whether you like it or not, Surf has significant hurdles ahead of it. If they pull it off then so be it. I have a player that will play. Hopefully there are some cross league games between ECNL and GA.
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Cross league games would be great. I'd like kids team to compete against the best teams out there so you really challenge yourself to step up and play quality soccer collectively as a team. Total possession play with timely aggressive counter attacks with the long ball when the moment calls for it.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
Who is the idiot that leaves a gun available for a 6th grader to blow their brains off. Mental health is definitely taking a toll on people. Drugs and alcohol as well.
Here’s the problem, doctors and nurses are now realizing that they cannot handle the amount of patients coming in. They are asking for people to quarantine. It took me 3 hours to get a covid test last week. This is all getting out of control.
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Why not have your governor bring in the hospital ship like spring time? Then there is no capacity issues.
 
happy9 said:
Yep, just the city of phoenix. The complete lack of understanding in regards to problem solving and administrating is woefully embarrassing. Somehow, canceling a soccer tournament is going to stop people from coming to the state. This is low hanging fruit for a group people who are incredibly under qualified to handle the crisis at hand.

We will see how the other cities react. Plenty of events upcoming in the City of Scottsdale that drive revenue.
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A city council preventing people from getting other people killed in their city shows some pretty solid understanding and problem solving.
 
EOTL said:
A city council preventing people from getting other people killed in their city shows some pretty solid understanding and problem solving.
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On the face of your playbook answer I would agree. Except you likely didn't see the meeting. You are smart enough to realize that If you change the coolant in your car, it wouldn't fix your flat tire.
 
Lavey29 said:
Cross league games would be great. I'd like kids team to compete against the best teams out there so you really challenge yourself to step up and play quality soccer collectively as a team. Total possession play with timely aggressive counter attacks with the long ball when the moment calls for it.
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You are a futbol savant.
 
chiefs said:
Why not have your governor bring in the hospital ship like spring time? Then there is no capacity issues.
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That's just so hard to do - Call federal government, federal government call Navy, Navy calls ship, ship sails and docks/anchors. Ship open for business.

Too much planning
 
happy9 said:
On the face of your playbook answer I would agree. Except you likely didn't see the meeting. You are smart enough to realize that If you change the coolant in your car, it wouldn't fix your flat tire.
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The city council wasn’t voting on coolant. And a flat tire hasn’t killed 300,000 people.

Enjoy Indian land. Or Syria. Or wherever that doesn’t care about human life and is willing to host a super spreader event. Gosh, things must be really bad if even Phoenix isn’t willing to do it.
 
EOTL said:
The city council wasn’t voting on coolant. And a flat tire hasn’t killed 300,000 people.

Enjoy Indian land. Or Syria. Or wherever that doesn’t care about human life and is willing to host a super spreader event. Gosh, things must be really bad if even Phoenix isn’t willing to do it.
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We will enjoy it. Since I would bet 90% of the people on this forum have kids playing soccer in some form. You should start your own forum that is against soccer being played right now. But then you'd get bored and come back to cause drama like the troll you are. Once again, nobody here cares what you think. You've been saying the same crap yet more and more people are playing soccer. You must hate your life. Lol. Come back when your prediction of millions of Americans dying becomes a reality. Troll.
 
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