Surf Cup's Fate

top team, multiple SC trophys and the squad is going
obviously much different feel after all the set backs this year
look forward to making it a mini vacation and watching some soccer.
 
texanincali said:
This is a tough one. While I think it is absolutely ludicrous that some of these states are not allowing youth sports, mainly because they aren't following the science, it creates a real dilemma. Kids should be playing and there is virtually no danger while outside on a soccer field. That doesn't change the fact that so many kids in these states have not been playing. As stupid as I think these states are, I think it is equally irresponsible to go from 0 to 100 if you are on a team in one of these states. A kid that has been off from playing soccer for 8 months is in no way ready to go compete in a tournament that is consolidated to 4/5 days. No amount of running and ball work can properly prepare youth players for a grueling event like Surf Cup. I will not be sending my kid, not because I think there is risk of Covid, but because she is not physically ready to compete in this tournament.
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so you have no backyard? just kidding. this is not my thinking, and based on the feedback I am receiving from this community not alot are following this train of thought. BUT I completely understand and therefor cannot frown upon your logic.
I appreciate your response.
 
a beautiful mind said:
so you have no backyard? just kidding. this is not my thinking, and based on the feedback I am receiving from this community not alot are following this train of thought. BUT I completely understand and therefor cannot frown upon your logic.
I appreciate your response.
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"Top Teams" have been playing throughout the restrictions. Whether its private indoor facilities or parks where authorities let kids play. All you have to do is look at the tournaments outside of california and see how many teams from california were there. "Top teams" will have no issue playing since they have been playing all along. We welcome the competition. see you at surf.
 
notintheface said:
Your kid is 11 years old. They have years and years and years of play ahead of them. This summer, knock on wood, your kid will be playing again like nothing ever happened. If you're looking for "top teams" for Ulittle, come on, you already know the answer here.
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Don't even have to wait that long, there are two large back to back tournaments in AZ in FEB. Each of these tournaments attract national and international teams. Not projecting many international teams coming but plenty of teams from across the country will come, maybe.
 
notintheface said:
Your kid is 11 years old. They have years and years and years of play ahead of them. This summer, knock on wood, your kid will be playing again like nothing ever happened. If you're looking for "top teams" for Ulittle, come on, you already know the answer here.
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We Texas here homie! we been playing! full throttle! but that doesn't mean that I don't understand your sentiment.
HERE COMES THE "BUT"...
BUT, I completely disagree when parents with older kids advise us with younger kids to "calm down".
im gonna savor every moment. let us enjoy the ride.
I yield the floor back to the gentleman from california
 
notintheface said:
I know this is a joke but for a little info for you out-of-staters: for a large percentage of kids who can really ball in LA county, the answer to that question is no. They get their work done at practice and at school. Take those away, and you can guess what's happening.
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You must not be going to the scrimmages at parks where authorities look the other way. or indoor facilities that have been letting kids play.
 
notintheface said:
We will not be going. Enough parents have said that with the proximity to the holidays, plus the massive uptick in cases, plus the vaccine light at the end of the tunnel, have caused them to reevaluate their desire to get their kid some games right now. We could have fielded a team by bringing kids up from a B team but again, because of the nature of the tournament, there's no point for these kids. They will be enjoying their Christmas/Hanukkah presents this year.
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understood.
thanks for responding
 
oh canada said:
I started this thread and this will be my last post in it unless things change significantly. No melodrama intended just think all the issues have been covered extensively thanks to all of you. Well done.

Given that Surf is hellbent on having this single tournament, out of state, in the middle of the worst period for this virus (with no improvement in sight for the next several weeks), the responsible adults in the room will have to be us--the parents and families of 8-18yr old children. As I've previously written, I admired Surf's efforts through October, but now I lose all respect for them as this is such an obvious malfeasance that puts health and lives at risk. Shame on them.

So, ask yourself, how important is this one tournament to your child? Will they remember missing it or playing in it 6 months from now after they play their next tournament in Spring 2021, and the next 15 tournaments in the future (including the ECNL or GA or MLS showcase events for college recruits)? Will their soccer skills greatly improve by playing 3+ games in three days after an eight month layoff? Will their long term skills diminish by not playing 3+ games in three days while sharing a hotel room with family members and eating breakfasts out of a paper bag?

Then ask yourself, will your child remember this tournament if one of her teammates or teammates' family members gets sick and can't get medical care because the hospitals are full? Will they remember playing in it if one of the thousands of other kids playing in it dies from Covid, caught from a Phoenix restaurant or hotel? Yes, the risks are low for outdoor sports and children, but they are NOT non-existent. And the more people you have, the more potential contacts you create.

I understand the temptation of giving the "middle finger" to government overreach by playing in this tournament---almost like a protest event between two soccer goals. I am frustrated too. But now is simply not the time. September was the time. April 2021 will be the time. Not now. Things really are scary now. Just ask any doctor or nurse you know.

Surf, par for the course, is only giving 2 days to make up our minds. They want our commitments before things get even scarier next week and the week after. So, do the responsible thing and tell your team managers "you and your family are taking a pass on this one." By doing so, you are prioritizing your child's health, your family's health, your local community's health, and the AZ community's health. Are these not more noble, moral, and intelligent reasons than winning a plastic trophy? You also will be teaching your kids a valuable lesson...some things are more important than soccer. Those that attend will never be able to say the same.
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stopped reading at "malfeasance" lol
 
MSK357 said:
"Top Teams" have been playing throughout the restrictions. Whether its private indoor facilities or parks where authorities let kids play. All you have to do is look at the tournaments outside of california and see how many teams from california were there. "Top teams" will have no issue playing since they have been playing all along. We welcome the competition. see you at surf.
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this is great to hear.
any cosigners?
 
If the fields are getting moved but hotel reservations are staying the same - Will people be driving an extended distance to get to games?
(We were out there a few weeks ago for Rush Cup. 1 kid had games about 5 minutes from out hotel. Another was 45 minutes)
 
timbuck said:
If the fields are getting moved but hotel reservations are staying the same - Will people be driving an extended distance to get to games?
(We were out there a few weeks ago for Rush Cup. 1 kid had games about 5 minutes from out hotel. Another was 45 minutes)
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Fields shouldnt be changing for youngers.
 
Some people say that in SoCal the current mandate does NOT restrict or prohibit non-contact soccer practice . I have read others who say
it does prohibit non-contact soccer practice.

For a point of reference I'm not interested in whether it violates the spirit of the mandate ( that's a separate issue that has been and can continue to be discussed elsewhere ) I would like to know if the mandate literally ( in a legal sense ) restricts non contact soccer practice . There appear to be a few posters on this forum who spend a lot of time studying this stuff and some who seem to have a good background for this. I hope a few
give their opinion with perhaps a short ( or long ) explanation.

I think this may be of some benefit to coaches , managers and parents as part of the process to decide whether they go to Surf or not.
 
MSK357 said:
You must not be going to the scrimmages at parks where authorities look the other way. or indoor facilities that have been letting kids play.
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We are running intra-club scrimmages consistently at practice as are associates but as you know that is no substitute for fall league play. You are talking about "indoor facilities" like the thousands of teams from the hundreds of clubs in the area are all running to their local warehouse to go crazy. That ain't happening, friendo. Onesie-twosies do not make a pattern.
 
dawson said:
Some people say that in SoCal the current mandate does NOT restrict or prohibit non-contact soccer practice . I have read others who say
it does prohibit non-contact soccer practice.

For a point of reference I'm not interested in whether it violates the spirit of the mandate ( that's a separate issue that has been and can continue to be discussed elsewhere ) I would like to know if the mandate literally ( in a legal sense ) restricts non contact soccer practice . There appear to be a few posters on this forum who spend a lot of time studying this stuff and some who seem to have a good background for this. I hope a few
give their opinion with perhaps a short ( or long ) explanation.

I think this may be of some benefit to coaches , managers and parents as part of the process to decide whether they go to Surf or not.
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^this^
 
a beautiful mind said:
EDIT: I should clarify, I represent a 2010 U11 squad. Surf cup youngers
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U10 was the age my dd old team was eligible. However, her club was denied and the Doc was not all too happy about that and the selection process. heck, theses same club would then poach their goats. Talk about cut throat competition back in 2014. We bailed for Blues because their teams were automatic, like Duke is in Hoops for March Madness. Never missed a Surf Cup ever since and I'm looking forward to this new version in AZ.
 
MSK357 said:
To be honest, he probably wasnt going even in a normal year.
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Aside from just trying to shit on someone who literally does not care about you, I don't understand why you would even make this post. Surf has been very very good for us in the past and has been a staple of our tournament play along with Vegas Cup, the yearly trip to Orlando, etc. We also realistically understand that as of last March, the year 2020 was going to be shot. Please stop trying to deny reality.
 
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