Surf Cup's Fate

Grace T. said:
Technically under the state order the answer is no...non essential travel is forbidden. The question is whether people will ignore the order, taking whatever consequences (if any).
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Given that the limited stay-at-home order's minimum time period is three weeks and it went into effect for Southern California as of 12/7, technically it could be lifted for the region the week before Surf Cup if ICU capacity goes above 15%.
 
soccer4us said:
Fighting spirit to not lose 2 million dollars in their bank account :)
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I'm learning to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in the next life. My wife taught me that in the old life. She is married to me and anyone who knows us or just me knows she must be 100% angel. Think how I acted on here back in the day........ I feel like I was a demon possessed, macho man, with the bible and who was born an orphan, all wrapped in a blanket for my poor wife to handle with care the last 24 years. I am now healed 100%. Amazing miracle took place for me and I wanted to share that. I can say I love my wife more today then at any other time in our marriage.
 
Zen said:
MVLA hasn't pulled out yet. Should know more this week. I am not aware of other Norcal team plans. 21 day shelter in place ends by Surf assuming numbers don't ramp. Teams can quarantine after assuming they go.
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thanks. hope to see you guys there. I believe we played your MVLA 2010 team @ surf cup 2019. tied 1-1.
 
crush said:
I love the fighting spirit and "the show must go on" mindset. I want my goat to play in this tournament now. The fire is in my belly. The fact that it will take a miracle and some hard core soccer players and their parents to make the trip, will make this a must play tournament. All eyes will be on AZ Jan 1-4th. I'm stoked and now ready to make a new wager with @Eagle33. Quadruple or nothing bro? Basically if I lose again, I will buy you a keg of the beer of your choice or a barrel of Jack if you like that better and have it delivered for free. If the Cup is played on those dates, my debt is free and clear? I will talk to my dd and see if I can;t find a way to "persuade" her to put on her cleats. Surf Cup was and is bigger then ecnl showcase, MOO, so they might have more LS viewership then this last showcase.
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Plus, ALL the teams can enter the contest. I need to know something. Is there a champion for u17 age group?
 
htk said:
Just received this email:

We are excited to announce that Surf Cup 2020 - Arizona will go on as planned! All aspects of the event, including the filming and free access for college coaches of all recruiting age games, will continue and the dates and general location won't change.

Although we respect the current COVID situation in our country, we are confident in the safety of outdoor youth sports and our COVID protocols and processes. More importantly, our athletes, families and college coaches have reached out to us in droves imploring us to move forward with the event. The foundation of our rationale is rooted in three core ideas:

• All qualitative and quantitative data support the idea that COVID is not being transmitted on the field of play during outdoor youth sports activities. We have all been "living in a lab" the past 9 months and we have all seen firsthand that COVID cases are not being passed among kids during practices, scrimmages or games. We know that youth sports activities are happening in 45 states across the country with no major COVID breakouts amongst youth athletes. We know that large scale tournaments in soccer, lacrosse, football and baseball are occurring every weekend across the US with no significant COVID cases. We know that 3 major college conferences successfully completed full seasons, playing hundreds of games, with very little COVID interruption. We've also seen the data from the Surf White Paper Study, the University of Wisconsin study and the Dutch Football study that shows that 98% of soccer games don't have enough prolonged contact to transmit COVID.

• Players in CA, NV, WA, OR and NM are not allowed to participate in youth sports. Meanwhile, in the other 45 states across the US those players haven't been asked to stop enjoying the game and competing in the sport they love. Athletes across the country are not being asked to miss their high school sports seasons - only our athletes are. College bound players across the country are playing in showcase events and being offered scholarships while only our players are missing out on that opportunity. The arbitrary nature of this decision making is having a dis-proportionate impact on our players and we feel a responsibility to give them the chance they deserve.

• We are confident in our ability to host a safe environment for youth soccer. However, our event allows each club, each team, each family and each athlete to make their own decisions about playing. We will respect every decision and will support those that play and those that choose not to.

To that point, we are offering accepted teams one final opportunity to withdraw from the event and receive a full refund (minus the credit card processing fee).

When your team originally applied for Surf Cup AZ the drop date to receive a refund was November 15th. However, due to the state-by-state changes and the venue changes for our event, we are extending that refund deadline to Wednesday, December 9th at 9pm PST. After this date, refunds will only be issued if AZ cancels the event or due to mandatory out of state travel restrictions from your state. Refunds will not be issued for recommended stay home policies after the 12/9 deadline. Refunds will be minus the credit card processing fee and will be issued via check.

Should you decide to withdraw from the event – please reply to this email with the following information -
Club/team name/gender/birth year
The name of the person whom the refund check should be made payable to
The address that the refund check should be mailed to as we are unable to process refunds back to the credit card used for payment.

Please reply to this email, ONLY if you wish to withdraw from the event, NO LATER THAN Wednesday, December 9th at 9pm PST as we do need to start working on the schedule and we need to know exactly what the numbers are that we are working with for scheduling.

If you do not reply you will be considered “accepted” for the event and will be scheduled for participation in the event. There is no need to reply to the email if you wish to remain in the event.

We will be providing schedules and field information as we get closer to the event dates. Teams will not need to change dates or hotels. Our dates will remain the same and all venues will be in the general area as originally planned. We will also be communicating our Safety Policies and Procedures prior to the event and we will ask all athletes, coaches and parents to be accountable for keeping our kids safe. If we all respect the protocols, then our children can enjoy the game they love and stay healthy.

See you in Arizona!
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But, but, but.....oh never mind.

Let them kids play (like the rest of the country is)
 
a beautiful mind said:
Soccer parent from Texas here! first time caller, long time listener. can someone bottom line this for me? just wanna know if you are on a top team and if you still plan on going to Surf cup? also are you guys in Cali allowed to cross state lines to play? my team is on the fence about going and the dealbreaker for us is if the top Cali teams pull out. thanks in advance
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Dont listen to anyone saying the "top teams" wont be there. at least from Socal, "Top Teams" that i know got accepted are still planning on going.
 
a beautiful mind said:
Soccer parent from Texas here! first time caller, long time listener. can someone bottom line this for me? just wanna know if you are on a top team and if you still plan on going to Surf cup? also are you guys in Cali allowed to cross state lines to play? my team is on the fence about going and the dealbreaker for us is if the top Cali teams pull out. thanks in advance
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EDIT: I should clarify, I represent a 2010 U11 squad. Surf cup youngers
 
notintheface said:
Please understand that "top team" is completely subjective right now. These kids are probably about 20% match sharp and the "results" from Surf Cup are effectively meaningless this year. Any college coaches who do attend are very very likely to only be picking out individual moments of skill and not looking at how the team plays at all. I have serious, serious doubts that you will see a large number of offers based off Surf.

Socal teams are under a stay at home order for the next three weeks. Practicing is allowed, but again with no fall season and no real tournament action this year, these teams are not going to be sharp on their shape work nor will you see the natural teamwork that comes out of playing together consistently for 9+ months. The thing is, everyone understands this except the die-hard brainwashed parents (like you see in the minority here). I actually think Surf could have charged 5x the amount and they still would have suckered these parents into going.

Evaluate your risk vs reward. There is little evidence of kids causing open community spread and if you are diligent with your own mask usage/etc then it is possible for you to attend the tournament. Just know that nobody else is considering this to be a serious tournament beyond "hey these kids are getting 3 games to shake off the rust".
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;)I just wanna know if you're going
 
MSK357 said:
Dont listen to anyone saying the "top teams" wont be there. at least from Socal, "Top Teams" that i know got accepted are still planning on going.
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thanks for the straight to the point answer. to the best of your knowledge does this sentiment apply to Surf cup youngers and olders? we are a 2010 U11 squad
 
This is a tough one. While I think it is absolutely ludicrous that some of these states are not allowing youth sports, mainly because they aren't following the science, it creates a real dilemma. Kids should be playing and there is virtually no danger while outside on a soccer field. That doesn't change the fact that so many kids in these states have not been playing. As stupid as I think these states are, I think it is equally irresponsible to go from 0 to 100 if you are on a team in one of these states. A kid that has been off from playing soccer for 8 months is in no way ready to go compete in a tournament that is consolidated to 4/5 days. No amount of running and ball work can properly prepare youth players for a grueling event like Surf Cup. I will not be sending my kid, not because I think there is risk of Covid, but because she is not physically ready to compete in this tournament.
 
a beautiful mind said:
;)I just wanna know if you're going
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We will not be going. Enough parents have said that with the proximity to the holidays, plus the massive uptick in cases, plus the vaccine light at the end of the tunnel, have caused them to reevaluate their desire to get their kid some games right now. We could have fielded a team by bringing kids up from a B team but again, because of the nature of the tournament, there's no point for these kids. They will be enjoying their Christmas/Hanukkah presents this year.
 
I started this thread and this will be my last post in it unless things change significantly. No melodrama intended just think all the issues have been covered extensively thanks to all of you. Well done.

Given that Surf is hellbent on having this single tournament, out of state, in the middle of the worst period for this virus (with no improvement in sight for the next several weeks), the responsible adults in the room will have to be us--the parents and families of 8-18yr old children. As I've previously written, I admired Surf's efforts through October, but now I lose all respect for them as this is such an obvious malfeasance that puts health and lives at risk. Shame on them.

So, ask yourself, how important is this one tournament to your child? Will they remember missing it or playing in it 6 months from now after they play their next tournament in Spring 2021, and the next 15 tournaments in the future (including the ECNL or GA or MLS showcase events for college recruits)? Will their soccer skills greatly improve by playing 3+ games in three days after an eight month layoff? Will their long term skills diminish by not playing 3+ games in three days while sharing a hotel room with family members and eating breakfasts out of a paper bag?

Then ask yourself, will your child remember this tournament if one of her teammates or teammates' family members gets sick and can't get medical care because the hospitals are full? Will they remember playing in it if one of the thousands of other kids playing in it dies from Covid, caught from a Phoenix restaurant or hotel? Yes, the risks are low for outdoor sports and children, but they are NOT non-existent. And the more people you have, the more potential contacts you create.

I understand the temptation of giving the "middle finger" to government overreach by playing in this tournament---almost like a protest event between two soccer goals. I am frustrated too. But now is simply not the time. September was the time. April 2021 will be the time. Not now. Things really are scary now. Just ask any doctor or nurse you know.

Surf, par for the course, is only giving 2 days to make up our minds. They want our commitments before things get even scarier next week and the week after. So, do the responsible thing and tell your team managers "you and your family are taking a pass on this one." By doing so, you are prioritizing your child's health, your family's health, your local community's health, and the AZ community's health. Are these not more noble, moral, and intelligent reasons than winning a plastic trophy? You also will be teaching your kids a valuable lesson...some things are more important than soccer. Those that attend will never be able to say the same.
 
a beautiful mind said:
thanks for the straight to the point answer. to the best of your knowledge does this sentiment apply to Surf cup youngers and olders? we are a 2010 U11 squad
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Your kid is 11 years old. They have years and years and years of play ahead of them. This summer, knock on wood, your kid will be playing again like nothing ever happened. If you're looking for "top teams" for Ulittle, come on, you already know the answer here.
 
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