Surf Cup's Fate

timbuck said:
If the fields are getting moved but hotel reservations are staying the same - Will people be driving an extended distance to get to games?
(We were out there a few weeks ago for Rush Cup. 1 kid had games about 5 minutes from out hotel. Another was 45 minutes)
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Depends on what fields the Reach games are being diverted to.
 
dawson said:
Some people say that in SoCal the current mandate does NOT restrict or prohibit non-contact soccer practice . I have read others who say
it does prohibit non-contact soccer practice.

For a point of reference I'm not interested in whether it violates the spirit of the mandate ( that's a separate issue that has been and can continue to be discussed elsewhere ) I would like to know if the mandate literally ( in a legal sense ) restricts non contact soccer practice . There appear to be a few posters on this forum who spend a lot of time studying this stuff and some who seem to have a good background for this. I hope a few
give their opinion with perhaps a short ( or long ) explanation.

I think this may be of some benefit to coaches , managers and parents as part of the process to decide whether they go to Surf or not.
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It depends on your city/county that owns the fields. Here you go for OC Great Park:

City Facility Updates

As the state moves beyond the Blueprint for a Safer Economy on June 15, the City of Irvine is excited to welcome back residents to our facilities. While some modifications and limited measures may remain, we can expect to see much of life return to normal. See below for more information.
www.cityofirvine.org www.cityofirvine.org
 
Messi>CR7 said:
It depends on your city/county that owns the fields. Here you go for OC Great Park:

City Facility Updates

As the state moves beyond the Blueprint for a Safer Economy on June 15, the City of Irvine is excited to welcome back residents to our facilities. While some modifications and limited measures may remain, we can expect to see much of life return to normal. See below for more information.
www.cityofirvine.org www.cityofirvine.org
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My dd does her private training at GP and all is good so far. Club is mandated to obey all rules or else. Only 6 x 6 fake weak soccer is allowed. It's up to each goat to be ready by Jan 1st. Plenty of time to get ready. If you have the will to play big time Surf Cup soccer, then by all means those most committed and dedicated will show up. All others will continue to make excuses. It's all good under the sun. To each family their own. I'm going to see how much my dd wants soccer over bday party with friends & family and presents.
 
timbuck said:
If the fields are getting moved but hotel reservations are staying the same - Will people be driving an extended distance to get to games?
(We were out there a few weeks ago for Rush Cup. 1 kid had games about 5 minutes from out hotel. Another was 45 minutes)
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I don't have a dog in this particular fight. but after driving all the way to Arizona....40 more minutes of driving should NOT be the main deal-breaker for you! jus saying!
 
Zen said:
MVLA hasn't pulled out yet. Should know more this week. I am not aware of other Norcal team plans. 21 day shelter in place ends by Surf assuming numbers don't ramp. Teams can quarantine after assuming they go.
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Considering SC county just threatened MVLA by taking their business license/non profit away if they went to South Carolina this past weekend, I'd be surprised if they were at Surf. Never say never though...
 
oh canada said:
I started this thread and this will be my last post in it unless things change significantly. No melodrama intended just think all the issues have been covered extensively thanks to all of you. Well done.

Given that Surf is hellbent on having this single tournament, out of state, in the middle of the worst period for this virus (with no improvement in sight for the next several weeks), the responsible adults in the room will have to be us--the parents and families of 8-18yr old children. As I've previously written, I admired Surf's efforts through October, but now I lose all respect for them as this is such an obvious malfeasance that puts health and lives at risk. Shame on them.

So, ask yourself, how important is this one tournament to your child? Will they remember missing it or playing in it 6 months from now after they play their next tournament in Spring 2021, and the next 15 tournaments in the future (including the ECNL or GA or MLS showcase events for college recruits)? Will their soccer skills greatly improve by playing 3+ games in three days after an eight month layoff? Will their long term skills diminish by not playing 3+ games in three days while sharing a hotel room with family members and eating breakfasts out of a paper bag?

Then ask yourself, will your child remember this tournament if one of her teammates or teammates' family members gets sick and can't get medical care because the hospitals are full? Will they remember playing in it if one of the thousands of other kids playing in it dies from Covid, caught from a Phoenix restaurant or hotel? Yes, the risks are low for outdoor sports and children, but they are NOT non-existent. And the more people you have, the more potential contacts you create.

I understand the temptation of giving the "middle finger" to government overreach by playing in this tournament---almost like a protest event between two soccer goals. I am frustrated too. But now is simply not the time. September was the time. April 2021 will be the time. Not now. Things really are scary now. Just ask any doctor or nurse you know.

Surf, par for the course, is only giving 2 days to make up our minds. They want our commitments before things get even scarier next week and the week after. So, do the responsible thing and tell your team managers "you and your family are taking a pass on this one." By doing so, you are prioritizing your child's health, your family's health, your local community's health, and the AZ community's health. Are these not more noble, moral, and intelligent reasons than winning a plastic trophy? You also will be teaching your kids a valuable lesson...some things are more important than soccer. Those that attend will never be able to say the same.
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Its like we share a brain on this. Well written and I agree 100%
 
oh canada said:
I started this thread and this will be my last post in it unless things change significantly. No melodrama intended just think all the issues have been covered extensively thanks to all of you. Well done.

Given that Surf is hellbent on having this single tournament, out of state, in the middle of the worst period for this virus (with no improvement in sight for the next several weeks), the responsible adults in the room will have to be us--the parents and families of 8-18yr old children. As I've previously written, I admired Surf's efforts through October, but now I lose all respect for them as this is such an obvious malfeasance that puts health and lives at risk. Shame on them.

So, ask yourself, how important is this one tournament to your child? Will they remember missing it or playing in it 6 months from now after they play their next tournament in Spring 2021, and the next 15 tournaments in the future (including the ECNL or GA or MLS showcase events for college recruits)? Will their soccer skills greatly improve by playing 3+ games in three days after an eight month layoff? Will their long term skills diminish by not playing 3+ games in three days while sharing a hotel room with family members and eating breakfasts out of a paper bag?

Then ask yourself, will your child remember this tournament if one of her teammates or teammates' family members gets sick and can't get medical care because the hospitals are full? Will they remember playing in it if one of the thousands of other kids playing in it dies from Covid, caught from a Phoenix restaurant or hotel? Yes, the risks are low for outdoor sports and children, but they are NOT non-existent. And the more people you have, the more potential contacts you create.

I understand the temptation of giving the "middle finger" to government overreach by playing in this tournament---almost like a protest event between two soccer goals. I am frustrated too. But now is simply not the time. September was the time. April 2021 will be the time. Not now. Things really are scary now. Just ask any doctor or nurse you know.

Surf, par for the course, is only giving 2 days to make up our minds. They want our commitments before things get even scarier next week and the week after. So, do the responsible thing and tell your team managers "you and your family are taking a pass on this one." By doing so, you are prioritizing your child's health, your family's health, your local community's health, and the AZ community's health. Are these not more noble, moral, and intelligent reasons than winning a plastic trophy? You also will be teaching your kids a valuable lesson...some things are more important than soccer. Those that attend will never be able to say the same.
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This is some thoughtful stuff here. The only question mark is whether April will actually be better. It looks like a vaccine will be widely available by then, but we also know the youth soccer crowd in the OC is rampant with anti-vaxxers. I guess we’ll see how many there really are and how much they get in the way of human life this spring.

All of this is very simple. The more people have more interactions, the worse it gets. Period. The time on the plane, in the carpool, at the bar, the restaurants, the hotel lobbies, in the elevators, hanging in the parking lot with the other stupid parents, even the kids’ time on the field, involve unnecessary interactions that result in significant spread when 60,000 people all travel to the same place and then many then take it back. The risk of getting it in each of the 500-1000 unnecessary interactions a person had on the trip is low, but the overall risk having so many low risk interactions is very high. And inevitable that many will get it when so many people are involved, and also inevitable that many grandmas will then die after Sally and her knuckle dragging parents come home from their tournament where Sally scored an epic game winner in her U13 game.
 
a beautiful mind said:
I don't have a dog in this particular fight. but after driving all the way to Arizona....40 more minutes of driving should NOT be the main deal-breaker for you! jus saying!
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BTW, welcome Lurker to the socal soccer forum. I love the avatar name too and all that the brain can do. I was introduced to this place back in 2013. I never lurked either, I just got on here and let it rip like I did when I surfed and almost made pro back in the late 70s. I was so good at surfing and felt my best in the ocean as the sun was setting. Parsons and Booth all told me to go pro and I said, "no way brahs, I only surf for Jah. No leash brah." I was so cocky back then. I actually told them I was going to UCLA and play hoops instead......not!!!!! I did "snap!!!!!!!!!" my ACL and it was all over. I think if I put more into training I could have walked on and played for Walk Hazzard. He came and watched my CIF game. I played the game of my life but he never talked with me. He was after a 6 9' stud from Nogales HS and I was hoping to catch his eye.
 
texanincali said:
This is a tough one. While I think it is absolutely ludicrous that some of these states are not allowing youth sports, mainly because they aren't following the science, it creates a real dilemma. Kids should be playing and there is virtually no danger while outside on a soccer field. That doesn't change the fact that so many kids in these states have not been playing. As stupid as I think these states are, I think it is equally irresponsible to go from 0 to 100 if you are on a team in one of these states. A kid that has been off from playing soccer for 8 months is in no way ready to go compete in a tournament that is consolidated to 4/5 days. No amount of running and ball work can properly prepare youth players for a grueling event like Surf Cup. I will not be sending my kid, not because I think there is risk of Covid, but because she is not physically ready to compete in this tournament.
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Excellent points, I feel my kid is not in her typical game shape condition either but at age 16 she can offer her opinion on whether she wants to play or not. The coach understands the team is not where it should be at this point in the season. She has been very deliberate with substituting and game minutes in the few games we have played which is good to help prevent injury. My kid just wants to compete though.
 
Its me again asking another favor. concerning Surf cup youngers tourney (dec 27th-29th). and im not asking on a club level just team by team. as far as 2010s go.
please DM me if you know for a fact that your team is either in or out...definitely. using Surf cup officials ruling and not the state of California's.
just your teams name with a yes or no. Texas teams wants to travel but we need to know if it will be worth it.
thanks in advance!
 
soccer4us said:
Considering SC county just threatened MVLA by taking their business license/non profit away if they went to South Carolina this past weekend, I'd be surprised if they were at Surf. Never say never though...
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The Gov order is for THREE WEEKS. Surf Cup is after that three week period. Some of you want to sh*t on Surf. They are operating within the boundaries of the guidelines. They have a right to legally run their business just like everyone else does. If you don't want to go. Don't. If your kid's team did not get accepted, save your sour grapes.
 
a beautiful mind said:
thanks for the straight to the point answer. to the best of your knowledge does this sentiment apply to Surf cup youngers and olders? we are a 2010 U11 squad
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This is perhaps the most perfect explanation why there aren’t soccer tournaments in CA right now. When so many parents of 10 year old girls are so willing to put the lives of others in danger to feed their own egos, they need to be stopped to the full extent possible. And when it cannot be completely stopped, it needs to be made as hard as possible so that as few of these idiots as possible are able to engage in the stupid unnecessary behavior that gets people killed.

Because most Californians aren’t willing or financially able, or aren’t stupid enough, to travel to AZ so because they can’t wait until April for their 10 year old to play in a soccer tournament, we can at least minimize deaths by banning tournaments here.
 
GT45 said:
The Gov order is for THREE WEEKS. Surf Cup is after that three week period. Some of you want to sh*t on Surf. They are operating within the boundaries of the guidelines. They have a right to legally run their business just like everyone else does. If you don't want to go. Don't. If your kid's team did not get accepted, save your sour grapes.
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It is for 3 weeks right now. Do you really think things will turn around by then? Have you been reading the posts here? This is America where no one cares about the lives of others, especially if they get in the way of a U11 soccer game.
 
notintheface said:
We are running intra-club scrimmages consistently at practice as are associates but as you know that is no substitute for fall league play.
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I'm not being critical, since our club is doing the same, but isn't that against the state mandates? I believe the state hasn't really issued any guidance other than the allowance of socially distanced practices. I believe that Calsouth may have said small sided scrimmages are OK, but I don't think the State has technically approved anything other than socially distanced practice. That's my understanding, as wrong as it may be. What's your understanding?
 
GT45 said:
The Gov order is for THREE WEEKS. Surf Cup is after that three week period. Some of you want to sh*t on Surf. They are operating within the boundaries of the guidelines. They have a right to legally run their business just like everyone else does. If you don't want to go. Don't. If your kid's team did not get accepted, save your sour grapes.
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I've done my share of quips in the past but I honestly like their will to fight and bring soccer to socal kids and whatever it takes to make it happen. I like their argument over the argument from EOTL, just saying. We need soccer as much as soccer needs us. Soccer will bring healing to all of us. It's universal. Go soccer!!!
 
watfly said:
I'm not being critical, since our club is doing the same, but isn't that against the state mandates? I believe the state hasn't really issued any guidance other than the allowance of socially distanced practices. I believe that Calsouth may have said small sided scrimmages are OK, but I don't think the State has technically approved anything other than socially distanced practice. That's my understanding, as wrong as it may be. What's your understanding?
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He's not responding to me so excellent question. It's called being a hypocrite.
 
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