Oh you never know. He ignores the dining out rules he very well may have a kid in the tournament. We will keep an eye our for him... rules for thee.. not for me seems how Cali Politicos roll.
Surf Cup's Fate
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Soccerfan2
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This was one of my case studies in law school.
notintheface
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Do you remember the reports of the guy supposedly possessing a gun at Galway Downs? Do you think the tournament offered effective enough security to prevent that? Do you think that there are families who believed that the tournament didn't offer effective enough security? There's your answer. I'm not talking covid, I'm talking about run of the mill day to day tournament liability. This kind of random shit happens way way way more often than you think. Basically every time you hear an ambulance pull up, guess what's going to happen.
notintheface
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Looking at the map, there are six 11v11 fields and four 9v9 fields (presumably you cut one of those in half for two 7v7 fields).
That nets you what, a maximum of 140 teams or so. I'm going to guess there are going to be a few teams getting refunds next week, good luck with those credit card fees.
MSK357
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Thats hilarious that you would bring up the guy that brought a gun to a tournament. What cal south tournament for youth soccer have you been to that would have provided enough security to prevent that? I have yet to attend a tournament with metal detectors at a controlled entrance with armed guards lol.
What about the kids? Selfish people take care of their "own" needs first.
whatithink
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SSC has 10 (4 with lights) 11 v 11 fields. Those fields normally shut down at the end of the year until after the Phoenix (Golf) open. They are used as a parking lot and for various corporate activities.
I expect Surf are touring Mesa today looking at Red Mountain (6), Quail Run (4), Desert Sky (4) and Santos (4-5).
Another metro city (Tempe) closed their fields.
Of more importance to the metro cities is getting everything under control before baseball pre season which is huge and has a far larger financial impact to the cities. If I were in charge of those cities, and looking at this from a financial perspective, I'd be telling Surf to gtfoh.
whatithink
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To add, Stadium and Team Directory | Phoenix.org, 15 teams for a month of daily games vs Surf ...
For the olders, there are 10 fields, only 4 under lights.
I am just dying - this is hilarious!
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Good use of words and I appreciate your resistance to being a sheep. And yes, plenty of OK soccer venues throughout the valley. The reality is, none compare to Reach, except maybe Scottsdale Sports complex (within the phoenix metro area), which has less fields by far. There are others that have good field surfaces, there are many that aren't currently being maintained and have dead grass.
They will be challenged to get this in (I'm a realist). Quality of fields is a big deal (maybe). If they pull it off, I have a player who will play, the other will sit this one out. If they don't pull it off, that's fine also. I'll enjoy a new year's eve weekend not having to worry about a soccer tournament. Heaven knows I've been to many and have many more coming my way.
good luck.
I just hope surf doesn't pull the rainout surprise and tell everyone at at the last minute that due to field availability teams will getting two shortened games with 20min half's.
Nothing like spending the big bucks and the whole weekend for 80min worth of soccer.
Lighted fields seem like a must given the time of year and number of teams.
whatithink
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All the Mesa fields I mentioned above have lights. If Mesa closes fields, they are done, IMO.
I actually think Surf is totally in the wrong to have this… Hospital capacity in Arizona is at max and healthcare workers are screaming for relief. I’m not a Covid shut in fanatic, think so much about Covid is overblown, and think that many of the lockdowns are absolutely ridiculous… But really in the middle of this to be holding a tournament when healthcare workers in Arizona are at their breaking limit is really just a slap in the face to them.
Do you really expect that level of security at a soccer tournament? So strictly controlled access points with metal detectors and bag inspection? Get ready to pay 50x more for a soccer tournament. Personally I'd rather assume the risk, pay regular tournament prices and not look for someone else to blame for my choices and for things that are realistically out of a 3rd parties control.
To answer your question about guess what's going to happen? You're obviously going to pursue the tournament's insurance and/or sue.
Kid did a few work out sessions at the Scottsdale complex 2 months ago. I thought it was an excellent venue but yes a few more fields would be nice but when I drive around the cities outside of Phoenix I see a lot of quality soccer fields. Its apparent that region of Arizona appreciates and endorses their soccer really well. Probably why they field a number of top level competitive teams in the higher level leagues. I do agree the surf tournament directors will be somewhat logistically challenged but I'm sure they will receive coordinated help from the Arizona clubs. That's one thing cool about soccer is that different clubs in different regions and even different states typically dont hesitate to help another club if the situation calls for it. It really is a united overall effort around the country to make youth soccer successful and a positive experience for the kids. Even more so now with the China virus
oh canada
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Either ego or financial impact (maybe both) is blinding Surf Cup execs from prudent decision-making now. It is not the time to fight for playing soccer. July through October was, and they did, and I give them credit for doing so. March/April will be as well. But trying to play now--in the midst of CA stay-at-home orders, non-essential travel bans, the biggest wave of cases yet in both CA and AZ, cities in AZ closing down fields, hospital beds filled to near capacity in both AZ and CA, a D1 college recruiting prohibition, and a guarantee of worse to come by Jan. 1--seriously damages their credibility for any future advocating in the best interest of the kids and diminishes their perception as a reputable outfit. They would be an important voice for all of us soccer families when it's time to try to get back local scrimmages and local league games in the Spring--guaranteed that will be a fight with Newsom too. But taking a stand now on this one tournament will complicate and weaken their future positions. City of Phoenix even gave them an out to use as explanation to the crazy soccer parent crowd, but it looks like they're not going to take it. Very indulgent, short-sighted, and lacking in business savvy.
Last, the local AZ drumbeat will just keep getting louder over the next several weeks with more sentiment like the following...
"All Arizona cities should follow the lead of Phoenix and cancel athletic tournaments because of the COVID-19 situation, a clinical leader at Arizona's largest health system says. "
Health leader: Other cities should follow Phoenix and cancel sports events because of COVID-19
Patient occupancy in January could reach 150% of Banner Health's licensed bed capacity, a leader at Arizona's largest health system says.
www.azcentral.com
Has Surf been holding Surf Cup team deposits since July? Hmmmm, if so, that adds another layer of intrigue but will save for another thread.
Either ego or financial impact (maybe both) is blinding Surf Cup execs from prudent decision-making now. It is not the time to fight for playing soccer. July through October was, and they did, and I give them credit for doing so. March/April will be as well. But trying to play now--in the midst of CA stay-at-home orders, non-essential travel bans, the biggest wave of cases yet in both CA and AZ, cities in AZ closing down fields, hospital beds filled to near capacity in both AZ and CA, a D1 college recruiting prohibition, and a guarantee of worse to come by Jan. 1--seriously damages their credibility for any future advocating in the best interest of the kids and diminishes their perception as a reputable outfit. They would be an important voice for all of us soccer families when it's time to try to get back local scrimmages and local league games in the Spring--guaranteed that will be a fight with Newsom too. But taking a stand now on this one tournament will complicate and weaken their future positions. City of Phoenix even gave them an out to use as explanation to the crazy soccer parent crowd, but it looks like they're not going to take it. Very indulgent, short-sighted, and lacking in business savvy.
Last, the local AZ drumbeat will just keep getting louder over the next several weeks with more sentiment like the following...
"All Arizona cities should follow the lead of Phoenix and cancel athletic tournaments because of the COVID-19 situation, a clinical leader at Arizona's largest health system says. "
Health leader: Other cities should follow Phoenix and cancel sports events because of COVID-19
Patient occupancy in January could reach 150% of Banner Health's licensed bed capacity, a leader at Arizona's largest health system says.www.azcentral.com
Has Surf been holding Surf Cup team deposits since July? Hmmmm, if so, that adds another layer of intrigue but will save for another thread.
No on the holding the money thing. Teams had to reapply no roll over.
Sure they make a decent profit on there tournaments but at this point hard to say that's there primary motivation.
They really want the kids to play and even referenced other events like ECNL Phx and others going on now and feel CA players should get some opportunities to do so also.
notintheface
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You are completely missing the point, which was about the insurance to cover the inevitable lawsuits that come out of random situations. YOU are not a special little snowflake who everyone else should look up to with their behavior because once it's your kid, guess what, all of these words that you're typing to desperately defend shitty tournament directors, all of those words go out the window.
Please stop trying to stick up for con men.